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  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    pschreck: you couldn't be more wrong about my views on AWD vs 4wd, including the system in the Sequoia. You expressed my views as "I don't think anybody here, except you, believes that AWD is a superior system."

    I have not stated this. In fact I've been very clear about the advantages and disadvantages of both. My view is that the Sequoia system or for that matter any 4wd system with the capability to lock the center diff and also provide a 4wd lo, will be a better system than awd if your intention is to go off-roading.

    If you are not planning significant off-roading, an awd system will provide better traction for wet and slippery conditions as well as better handling in turns where you are assured of power being delivered to the front wheels. If you doubt me, maybe you'd like to explain why every high performance vehicle in the world that utlizes 4wd, uses an awd system very similar to the Denali's and not like auto 4wd or a system anything like the Sequoia's. Its because it isn't designed to deliver power to all wheels under all circumstances and at all speeds.

    paisan: while I agree with your assessment of the Sequoia's approach of shifting power through open diffs by braking, I believe your statement on the VC of the Denali (or for that matter any AWD setup) is wrong.

    "As for 50/50 torque split, it does prove that both axles get equal torque as a std torque split, similar to the denali VC. The denali VC will not provide a min. amount of power to each axle, if the rear axle is spinning on ice 100% of the power will be directed to the other axle and visa versa that is the whole concept behind the VC.

    The brakes being applied will shift around the power through the open diffy based on traction, at least that is my take on the Sequoia. I don't like using the brakes to shift around power, but that is just me."

    The Denali and most AWD Viscous coupling setups are designed to start with a minimum amount of torque delivered to the front end that cannot be reduced even if there is slippage. In the case of the GM system that minimum is 38% of the available power will be maintained to the front wheels as part of the design of the VC. As the rear wheels rotate faster than the front, the "shearing" affect in the diff will begin to solidify the liquid and transfer more power to the front above the already established 38%.

    It will not drop below that level, for example, even while traversing a slippery road condition, therefore once traction is reestablished power will already be on hand instead of needing to be transferred back. That's why awd is a preferable system for traction on pavement in hi-performance road vehicles.

    Even the TODs system in a Trooper can move 100% of the power to the rear wheels if there is no traction under the front tires, I think you'd agree. AWD systems, by design cannot move 100% of their available power to the rear wheels under any circumstance.

    The conclusion is that if you are planning to take your shiney new suv into the back country, a traditional 4wd system or even an electronic system such as the Sequoia may very well be a better system for that purpose.

    If your planning to use your suv for slippery boat ramps, dragging a trailer and general on-road purposes and you prefer a no muss, no fuss setup, awd will be preferable. I think you'll find more manufacturers moving to AWD setups in their high end suvs as these consumer's are the least likely to take their vehicles into the back woods where they might experience a "scratch or two".
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Heatwave, did you happen to notice that this discussion had been dropped? We all know your views and we all know mine and the others. In an effort to allow others to get their questions answered, could we please agree to disagree and move on?
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    cliffy: did someone just annoit you host?

    I responded to paisan's post of Saturday. If you wish to ignore my response or simply respond to the other topics of interest to you, I have a simple recommendation.

    Use that mouse-like thing next to your computer to skip over topics that are not of interest, however please don't be so presumptious to think you know whats of interest to others or myself.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well if you need an on-road vehicle, this year GM is offering an AWD Full-size Van. Maybe SUVs can get back to from the Soccer Mom vehicle to what they were originally intended... I personally feel a vehicle w/o low range is not an SUV it's a glorified station wagon... :)

    -mike
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    More or less. Not too uncivil or off-topic compared to, say, CR-V vs. VUE. Lots of folks use the down arrow (or mouse) when they see Heatwave3 posting. He doesn't mind :-)

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  • markj9markj9 Member Posts: 2
    I agree. My real gas mileage is consistently 10% lower (both city and highway) than what the trip computer indicates. Also, I will usually have around 3 gallons left when it indicates 0 miles to empty. My last car was a lot more accurate so this has been one of the few disappointments that I have had with the car.
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    Does post #5019 comply with the member's agreement?
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    paisan: I agree with you assessment "Well if you need an on-road vehicle, this year GM is offering an AWD Full-size Van. Maybe SUVs can get back to from the Soccer Mom vehicle to what they were originally intended... I personally feel a vehicle w/o low range is not an SUV it's a glorified station wagon... :)"

    Without 4wd lo you really have an oversized, more powerful station wagon that is good at towing, moving cargo around, transporting lots of kids and adults and offers better traction on slippery roads.

    My guess is the manufacturers think there's a bigger market in folks looking for these characteristics than those looking to break new trails in the Adirondack. You don't suppose the manufacturer's have figured out how consumer's are really using their 4wd suvs.... do you:)?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    to "I hate SUVs, why do you like them..."

    :)

    -mike
  • norwesternernorwesterner Member Posts: 94
    that the issues heatwave brings up and belabors go on way too long. It's the reason I quit reading for such a long time and yes I did pass by most of what he had to say. Host: I don't see heatwave as an asset to this board, his comments are consistently antagonistic and distracting to otherwise insghtful conversation.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I am sure that once we're past Monday heatwave will be more like his usual charming, witty and gregarious self! Meanwhile, continue to skip over posts you do not care to read. :-)

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  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    Haven't heard from you for a while. I believe topping up is not recommended because spillover from the nozzle goes in to the charcoal canister (part of the emission system)and can cause it to need replacing.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    If awd is providing better handling in turns why are most of the elite cars in the world not awd(yes I know Audi's and the occasional Porsche are)?

    Every high performance vehicle in the world uses awd because it tends to weigh less and because they will never go off roading.

    In slippery conditions there is no advantage to awd as the Sequoia system reacts in milliseconds.
    Rarely is equal power needed to the same wheels, so your denali is constantly adjusting. This will take the exact same amount of time (milliseconds) as the sequoia system. Where is the advantage?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hmm 714 I think you are dead wrong...

    Lambo Diablo -AWD
    Lancer Evo -AWD
    Subaru 22b -AWD
    Porche 911 -AWD
    Nissan Skyline -AWD

    Need I go on?

    -mike
  • petro33petro33 Member Posts: 192
    It has been a while since I placed a message but I have kept up reading. I appreciated the long discussion on towing, because I tow. I was put to sleep by the AWD vs 4WD because I have 2WD.

    Anyway I have 23K miles on my '01 limited and put a new set of front brakes on. On my last trip pulling my 21 foot trailer I experienced more of the noisy vehicle control system coming on than before. It seems like the extra weight of the trailer makes the system more sensitive. Pulling the trailer I got an expected 9-10 miles per gallon.

    I did replace the regular air filter with a TRD filter and after a tank or two of gas noticed a 10% increase in gas mileage.

    I had a coupon for a oil and filter change at the dealer. When I had it done I noticed on the invoice that they put in 10-30 oil instead of the recommended 5-30. They said that is what they always put in these 4.7 V8s. When I showed them that the oil cap states that Toyotas recommends 5-30 they seemed unimpressed. They agreed to change the filter and oil to the recommended 5-30 but I an sure this will continue to happen to other cars unless they ask for this. Is there a problem with using this grade oil?? Or should I be satisfied with the 10-30???
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Unfortunately, most dealers use the 10W30 because that is what they can buy in bulk. They do have individual bottles of 5W30 but it costs them more and some dealers will charge you a premium for it. As to what the difference is, I'll pass because I don't know enough about it to answer. I do know that if I planned on owning the car long term, I would insist on the 5W30 just to be safe. As it is, I lease my Tundra and don't worry about it.
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    WHOA! heatwave, hold you breath! I mean, catch your breath! I didn't mean to hurt your feelings man. I thought we were talking about SUVs and THEIR drivetrains here. I wasn't aware that there was any comparison to high performance vehicles. Of course the next time I see a Porsch pulling a stuck car out of a snow bank, I'll be sure to stop and ask him if he has 4WD Low or if he has an AWD system similar to the Denali's.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    But the new porsche SUV will actually have low range. And I've pulled out many a stuck SUV with my non-VC coupled 4wd Subaru XT6 SPORTS CAR :)

    -mike
  • geepergeeper Member Posts: 18
    Sorry if a repost, but with 1500 messages to go though and a no-show when I lookup "radio", I want to post:

    My 2001 Limited (with the 10 speaker pakc and 6 CD Changer) has a volume problem witht he rear speakers. It is not a fader issue, but instead, the volume of therear speakers is much less than the front. Has anyone else experienced this and found a cure? I want to get more group info before firing off a nasty gram to Toyota and my local dealer who states that this is normal after keeping my Seq for a whole day in the shop.

    Thanks,
    G
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    Sorry. I stand corrected. '-) I'll see if I can get some more of that info to you this week.

    geeper: I haven't had a problem with my 2001 Ltd. I know others have. Good luck.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The read was cool on the Seq. Diffy. I'd love more info on the TLC :)

    -mike
  • oac3oac3 Member Posts: 373
    Several posts ago now (hopefully this awd-4wd debate is NOW over !, I wish :)) you asked about how my Seq is performing after the alignment. It is performing grrrrreat, I must say. It is surefooted and straight as an arrow even at speeds >/= 80 mph. Check out those alignment specs I provided earlier, they were my exact specs. I hope it is helpful to you and others with similar issues.

    On 5WD30 versus 10WD30, at my last oil change (Jiffy Lube), they didn't even ask which one to put. They simply read it off the vehicle tags and put in 5WD30. That should not be a question for the dealership to argue about. If I had a dealer with such attitude, I'd switch and find one that will follow the factory recommendations, cos if they won't follow something that trivial, how can I trust them with other parts of my vehicle ?

    714cut: thanks for the good vibes... it is difficult to post these days when issues of relevance to *most* Seq owners are "drowned" out by those with an agenda, or an axe to grind with us for our ill-conceived idea of purchasing a Toyota SUV instead of the all-purpose, and mighty Denali. But, you, pschreck, 2heeldrive and others help keep this place interesting and worth contributing. Keep up the good work.
  • petro33petro33 Member Posts: 192
    Good advice oac3. Maby I will look closed at the next service they do on my car. A friend of mine has a '01 Honda Accord and the Honda dealer did the exact same thing with his oil change.

    I have been treating my leather seats with Lexol treatment that Toyota sold. Has anyone had any expierences with cleaning and treating the leather interior in their Seq?
  • petro33petro33 Member Posts: 192
    Just a quick thought, Toyota also recommends that you only use their anti siphon filters. They don't allow oil to drain into the filter when the engine is off thus allowing more oil in the crankcase when you start your engine. Does jiffy lube use these. I was told by Toyota that if there was an engine failure based on oil and you did not use their filters they would not warrenty the work.
  • sbtoysbtoy Member Posts: 2
    I own a 02 Toyota Sequoia LTD 4x4. My wife backed out of the driveway and into a parked car. She did some slight cosmetic damage to the bumper. Because the vehicle is new, I made an insurance claim and had the vehicle fixed. My problem is that the body shop had to mix paint to match the "Thunder Metal Grey" color of the body of the vehicle. Apparently, Toyota doesnt sell the actual paint they use so that body shops have to mix and match on their own. I'm not happy with the result. The bumper that was painted is in the ballpark of matching but in different light situations appears to be lighter. Any ideas for me other than just accepting the different look?
  • redwhiteblueredwhiteblue Member Posts: 20
    There is nothing new on dealers not servicing customer's cars correctly. Back in 1991 my then brand new accord had its first service at a Honda dealership, when I picked up the vehicle I realized they did not use the recommended 5-30 oil. After a heated discussion with the service manager I left and changed the oil myself(no longer trusted them working on my vehicle). After a few letters and phone calls were made I finally received a response from the Honda district manager(New York)who stated that the dealerships can service vehicles anyway they see fit. Needless to say I have serviced the vehicle myself since. In my opinion the motor companies spend millions/billions? engineering these vehicles and specify a recommended oil for a reason.
  • oac3oac3 Member Posts: 373
    thanks for pointing this out to me. i am not sure what version of oil filter Jiff Lube used, but I'd remember to find out when next the vehicle is due for oil change. In any case, using JL was just a matter of convenience - needed to change the oil and found the nearest shop. Next time, I'll take it to a Toyota dealership and watch them tell me why they won't put in 5-30 oil... Hope it won't even be an issue at my next oil change !
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    Thanks for the kind words. I sometimes think that I am part of the problem. I do tend to rile easily when I believe that someone is simply posting deceptive information to sway prospective buyers. My feeling is people need to buy what they feel is best for them. In order to do that they come here to get honest information. I try to give that, but admit that my past experience with GM taints my view. I can honestly say that my Sequoia is the finest vehicle I have owned and that I truly believe it's drivetrain is one of the most versatile on the market today.
  • kinnmankinnman Member Posts: 52
    The main difference between these two is how the oil will perform in the winter (ie low temps). The "W" actually stands for Winter. Both of these are "multi-viscosity" grades, so you can get year round protection with the same oil. The lower the number, the "easier" the oil flows. This becomes very important if you live in a cold climate, as the 5W will begin lubricating your engine parts sooner than the 10W. The second number is important for protection at higher temps. So if you do alot of towing or race your engine, and don't live in a cold climate, a 10W-40 might be best. I live in Minnesota, so without a doubt, I would always go with 5W-30.
  • heatmiser1heatmiser1 Member Posts: 122
    Does anyone know where the 10 speakers are at in the JBL upgraded sound system? I see the following:

    Front door pillars = 2
    Lower front door panels = 4
    Lower rear door panels = 2 (or are there actually 2 seperate speakers in each rear door panel?)

    I just got back from checking out the two different stereo systems provided in the Sequoia's. I listened to the SR5 "base-base" model with the standard stereo system (non JBL w/ only 6 speakers) as well as the upgraded JBL 3-in-1 w/ 10 speakers but no 6 disc in-dash CD player). I thought both systems sounded quite decent with the upgraded JBL system just a little clearer and more dynamic up front. However, both sounded quite "muddy" while sitting in the 2nd row seats.

    QUESTION: What are the thoughts of those who have also checked out both stereo systems available?

    QUESTION: Does anyone know if the Limited version JBL stereo with the 6 disc in-dash CD player has the same amplification and speakers as the other upgraded JBL system with only the single CD playing head unit?
  • pemarshpemarsh Member Posts: 68
    Can everyone tell me how much over invoice seems to be typical to pay for a Sequoia???
  • norwesternernorwesterner Member Posts: 94
    When does the Sequoia '03 model year come out?
    Any updates that you know of like a navigation system?
    When might we see the Lexus version?
    How about the Runner...V8? New styling? Wider compartment?
  • btshaw44btshaw44 Member Posts: 1
    I was building a Sequoia on www.shopatgst.com and noticed that there was an option to add an All-in-One DVD System. I have been to this site numerous times and have never noticed that before. Does anyone have any information on this option like if it is only available by Gulf States Toyota or if it is a new factory install item?
  • bosbobosbo Member Posts: 3
    Interested in leasing 2002 limited 2wd, what has been agreed upon price after incentives and negotiation?
  • 2heeldrive2heeldrive Member Posts: 87
    The dealer is throwing his weight around. As long as a filter meets eom requirements you as the owner are free to use the filter and service center of your choice without affecting the factory warranty. Just keep your receipts. Most filters have an "anti-drainback" valve built into them that keeps the oil from draining out of the filter. The interesting thing about Toyota engines is that many oil filters will fit. I use a full size filter (Purolator PureONE)that increases the amount of filter and oil capacity by about 1/2 quart. Why is everyone so hung up about oil weight. The manual ok's 5W-30 and 10W-30 oils. If you are towing or running hard, the 10W-30 is the better choice. A 10W-30 Synthetic will flow at -45F so it's superior to 5w-30 dino oil in the winter.
    Just my 2 cents.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    You mention a Nissan Skyline- not even available here. Lancer EVO and Subaru 22b- are they rally cars?

    How about the following cars that are not awd?

    Acura NSX
    Aston Martin volante
    Audi S8
    Bentley arnage red label
    BMW 740 (Heatwave's car)
    Chevrolet Corvette
    Dodge Viper
    various Ferrari's
    Jaguar XKR
    Lotus esprit
    Merecedes Benz various
    most Porsches

    I'd say most of the premiere cars from the top manufacturers in the world do not use awd.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    This is one of the problems many of us might face. The fancy paint schemes that "change color" in different light etc. are very difficult to match. Did you try getting paint from toyota?
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    I feel like you do. I try to keep it professional but there is one poster who is a master at getting under your skin and not letting anything go. The competitive side of me kicks in and I feel the need to respond. Oh well, maybe it's just Toyota Envy, a very serious condition :)
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    there are 10 speakers, yes 4 in rear doors. The upgraded JBL with single cd is the same speaker and power setup as the cd changer.
  • heatmiser1heatmiser1 Member Posts: 122
    Has anyone installed a video entertainment system (DVD or VCP) in their Sequoia yet? Any recommendations on a particular system? I have looked around and see alot of Audiovox and some Clarion products. Ani insight as to whether or not these unit work/look good in the Sequoia?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    EVO and 22b are not rally cars.
    Skyline is available outside the US, didn't know only US cars were sports cars.

    Non Sports Cars you listed:
    Audi S8
    Bentley arnage red label
    BMW 740 (Heatwave's car)
    Jaguar XKR
    Merecedes Benz various

    So between your list and mine it's about 50/50 split.

    -mike
  • crapgamecrapgame Member Posts: 43
    My wife has a Thunder Gray Ltd as well. She was sideswiped on the Tappan Zee bridge by some moron who didn't look before changing lanes, and then took off.

    After a trip to the dealer, all we could do was order the touch up paint, which took several weeks to arrive, and spend an afternoon with a new package of compound and the bottle of paint. And, no, it doesn't match perfectly in most lighting conditions.

    I would have had the whole vehicle repainted if the culprit didn't take off without stopping before the Troopers arrived.... Grrrrr...
  • petro33petro33 Member Posts: 192
    I have been changing my own oil forever, only going to the dealer occasionally when it was cheap. I started buying toyota filters because of the antidrain back feature Toyota said they had. I have emailed Fram and others to ask if their filters do the same, as it does not say that on the box. By the way 2heeldrive I think the purpose of the antidrain filter is to keep the oil in the engine not the filter when the engine is turned off.
  • sbell4sbell4 Member Posts: 446
    Depends on where you live. Many are sold at invoice or a few dollars over where other parts of the country command 2-3k over as a good deal. I know people fly in and drive there Sequoias back because of the supply and pricing of the southeast.
  • bosbobosbo Member Posts: 3
    For those of you who have leased the Sequoia, what has been the residual value you received from dealer?
  • vader6vader6 Member Posts: 27
    According to AutomotiveNews.com Toyota will fix/replace all engines (3.3 million) that have the dreaded engine sludge problem. Warranty good for time of sale and 8 years.
  • silk123silk123 Member Posts: 2
    I just purchased a 2002 Toyota Sequoia (SR5, V8, 4X4, silver metalic) in March, but due to family circumstances I am forced to sell this vehicle which I admire very much. Does anyone know where I would go to sell this vehicle online.
  • 2heeldrive2heeldrive Member Posts: 87
    petro... I don't want to split hairs, but in the interest of accuracy, the purpose of the anti drainback valve in the oil filter is to keep the oil filter full of oil. Why? so the oil pump doesn't have to fill the filter back up with oil at start up -- while the oil filter is filling up, there would be no oil pressure in the engine which is, of course, a bad thing. I usually fill up a new filter with oil and then install it for the same reason (with a filter mounted horizontally like the Sequoia, I can only get it half full). If the oil filter has the valve it will be visible in the top of the oil filter under the small holes, it looks like a rubber flap that is pushed up against the holes. If the decision is a Toyota filter or a Fram, go with the Toyota. In my opinion, the Toyota filter isn't bad, it's just that there are better filters out there; Fram however, isn't one of them.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    eBay motors comes to mind off-hand. You can also ask what it's worth over in the Any Questions for a Car Dealer? discussion, since it's not old enough for our TMV-Used calculations. Good luck!

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  • petro33petro33 Member Posts: 192
    WOW!! The information I posted is what the parts person at Toyota told me. You explanation makes good sence. But if the filter is already at the bottom of the engine, even mounted at an angle like the Seq why wont the oil naturally drain to the bottom of the oil pan and fill up the filter?

    If Toyota filters are OK and Fram are not which type do you use?
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