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$999 down payment. $1,533 due at signing which includes 1st month's payment($259), sec deposit($275) and cap cost reduction($999)
MSRP $28,980
Actual Net Cap Cost $26,278,49
option to purchase at end $21,155,40.
Is this a good deal to get into knowing that you will turn it in after 24 months?
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Example:
Cap cost $35K
residual $21K
MF .001
Finance charge ($35k + $21K) X .001 = $56/mo.
Cap cost $35K - $10K downpayment = $25K
residual $21K
MF .001
Finance charge (25K + $21K) X .001 = $46/mo.
So, you can save some finance charges, but in this example with a low money factor you only save $10/month while putting at risk $10K.
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Thanks in advance..
I have a question for a friend however. She is planning to lease the 325i. They told her that because her credit is not strong she needs to put $4000-5000 down. Is this true. I am not putting any money down on my lease, granted I have strong credit, but is that a requirement of BMW Financial if your credit is weak to put down more money?
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48 month lease @ 579.80 per month
28 payments thus far $16234.40
20 payments left $11596.00
End of lease buy out $16351.00
My 4 runner is fully loaded with all the extras, sunroof,running boards,tow package....
Appreciate any help with this.
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The selling prices of leased vehicles definitely should be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for the vehicle that you are getting. Negotiate as low as possible a selling price on the exact model that you want first, then you can talk about how much money it will cost to lease it. Also, I always advise consumers not to make any sort of down payment when leasing. I say this for two main reasons. The first is if your leased vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered during your lease, your insurance company pays off the bank that you were leasing it through and your down payment essentially disappears. Also, down payments on leases do nothing to reduce their lease-end purchase prices. So this car's lease-end purchase price will be exactly the same, regardless of whether you put $3,500 down or absolutely nothing down at all.
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As far as putting money down goes, I always advise consumers not to make any sort of down payment when leasing. I say this for two main reasons. The first is if your leased vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered during your lease, your insurance company pays off the bank that you were leasing it through and your down payment essentially disappears. Also, down payments on leases do nothing to reduce their lease-end purchase prices. So this car's lease-end purchase price will be exactly the same, regardless of whether you put $2,500 down or absolutely nothing down at all.
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If you are planning to purchase a home before the end of the lease and the lower monthly payments you get after putting money down makes the difference in qualifying for the mortgage due to a better monthly debt to income ratio.
Is there some kind of insurance available to cover the loss of the downpayment if the car is totalled early in the lease?
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Also, regarding our current leased '01 Accord, if I look at Trade-In value on NADA, we're slightly negative equity ($500 to 1000), but if I look at Retail value, we're positive equity by a grand or so. There is one more payment due the 11th of May, the lease expires the 14th, and the front bumper needs to be replaced (has a crack) if I turn it back over to AHFC ($450+ per the AHFC inspector). Our lease began about 2 weeks before the AHFC wear and tear clause about single incidents exceeding $500 - so that didn't help us.
We obviously don't want to pay that last payment or for the bumper, turn the car in 3 days later, then have another immediate payment. I've been offered a straight trade by the dealer, which means I'll save about $770 (bumper + final payment) if I lease with them again. The dealer says the balance won't be rolled into the next lease.
Does this sound reasonable? I know they'll still be able to make money on the car, but do I have any room to try to get a little cash on the trade-in? I think we're going to try to make our deal on the 30th of the month. That's a good day for us and I'm told/have read that the end of the month is sometimes a good time to get better deals.
Thanks again! Sorry for the War and Peace-esqe question!
Chris
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You seem to believe this deal is OK for what you've read.
If a regular EX was to be $279/month with $999 down and now one with RES is $259/month with $999, I do not understand how I am paying more when the monthly is less and I get a better car.($750 MSRP better,whoopee). It's less per month and I can "escape" after 2 years.
I understand a 3 year be may be less than $259 but that's not what Honda is offering?
Now I've read many posts that you should never pay a down payment. Does that include the $999 program requirement? I don't plan on putting anything else down as the upfront and monthly fit into what I want. And after 2 years I can cut myself clean of the car and be out only about $1500. As one person mentioned, I am basically paying about $320 / month by factoring in the upfronts. Is paying the $999 not advised?
I don't see how the deal goes down without it.
Also, has Honda been known to negotiate sales price on its lease program offers? They are obviously running this off of MSRP.
This deals sounds solid. Guess I should run away from it really fast, right.
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I think Car_man is saying they probably have better 3-year deals in place now also, since they have upgraded the 2-year deals.
Most advertised deals that include a downpayment are only doing that to lower the advertised monthly payment, to make it look more attractive. I'm sure you could have the $999 rolled into the cap cost, with the resulting $29 or so added to the monthly payment. If all other terms are the same, that is the way I would go.
It is a great deal as advertised, but they may have a 3 year deal that is even better.
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Bottom line is that the $999 isn't a wash as some point out. It does "something". If I have it included then my payment goes up $29 or so. By paying, it reduces my monthly.
What attracted me was the 2 year out. I know many people paying $400+ on 0%/5yr loans. That's close to my mortgage for a 150K home!!
I'll gamble and hold on to the extra $7k inmy wallet. I'll make enough in a mutual fund over 2 years to pay another down payment of $999.
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This is actually my first post but I wish I had found your forum for my past 4 leases! Now this time, I'm going through you first.
I noticed you recently gave info for a 2004 Infiniti G35X for a 36 mos and 12k miles/yr lease. What are the MF and residuals for a 39, 42, or 48 month lease with 10K miles?
Also, what is the MF and residual for the new 2004.5 Volvo S40 T5 for 36 or 48 months?
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Thanks again for the help...just talked to the dealer and they're throwing me for a bit of a curve....they're quoting a MF of .00215 & a residual of 64% on a 36month/12k which is consistant with what I've seen you share here with another poster...but on the 48 month they (the dealer) are quoting a MF of .00215 & a residual of only 48% w/12k per year which is much different than what you shared...What do you think?? Find another dealer or??
Thanks again for all your help
ch7656
Thank you for your advices... I sent emails to two dealers today asking for 0.00125MF and $525 acquisition fees and they haven't replied yet (hopefully they will)... if not, I guess there are a few more dealers in my area... :P
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I have an Audi TT Quattro Convertible comming off a 39 lease in early July. Cap cost was 40,615 after negotiating a 2000 reduction from MSRP. Residual Value is 27,800. Although I love the car and was considering purchasing it I now think the residual is too high. A couple questions. I love convertibles and for me they are just toys..Drive em in the spring and summer and put em away for the winter here in Pennsylvania. I'd like to lease another in June or July. I've been thinking about several models from another TT to an A4 cabriolet to a 3 series BMW convertible. Question one, Is there an optimum lease term for someone putting 0 money down. And generally who has better lease deals, Audi, BMW, Volvo, Saab, Honda/ I know that's a lot to chew on, but any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!!! David
If you drive 15k miles a year, and lease a car for three years, a typical car will be worth about 50% of the sticker price at the end of that time (called the residual value). For a Pacifica, that would mean a residual of about $14-15k. If you drive 43k miles a year, at the end of a 3 year lease, you'll have a car with 126k miles on it. Clearly, that won't be worth as much as a car with 45k miles on it - you've consumed 81k (126-45k) miles of extra value, and you'll have to pay for that value somehow, either by turning the car in and paying mileage overage charges (typically $0.15 a mile, or about $12k in this case), or by buying the car outright. If you buy the car outright, you'll be paying $14-15k (the residual value) for a car that's worth far, far less than that. Either way, you'll pay for the car's value that you've consumed - leasing won't help you here.
Bottom line, you burn a _lot_ of auto value every year, because of the mileage you put on your cars. Whether you lease, and then buy it at the end of the lease, or buy it outright, you'll have to pay for that value somehow.
I think that leasing's a bad idea for you, actually, for two reasons:
1. You pay a fee to lease (usually $500 or so). This means that if you know you're going to buy the car at the end of the lease, you might as well buy the car upfront, and save yourself the $500.
2. You may well find yourself in a BIG hole at the end of the lease. Given your mileage, as above, you'll have to come up with either $12k in mileage fees to turn the car in, or $15k to buy the car outright, and no lender is going to lend you $15k on a car with 126k miles, so you'll have to pay cash.
Frankly, if $350 a month is what you can afford, you're going to have issues. If you assume a car's good for 200k miles (aggressive, but not unreasonable), then your cars will die in about 5 years. At 4% interest (best available if you have excellent credit), and a $350 monthly payment (assuming no taxes) on a 5 year car loan, you can afford about a $19k car. This doesn't include any maintenance costs, either, and these will increase noticably after you hit 100k miles. If you assume the car will only last 150k miles, you're looking at a 3 1/2 year lifespan, which for the same assumptions, would let you buy a car worth $14k.
In your position, I'd look at low-mileage used cars with good reliablity records, and drive the heck out of them.
Pacifica is a poor choice for this purpose.
If he needs the room of a Pacifica, there is nothing he can get for $350 a month that can hold up to that massive mileage.
Could I go in the same dealer and get a trade in for another car?
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I do not believe that Volvo is currently providing any sort of lease money factor support on the 2004.5 S40 T5 at this time. If this is the case and you were to lease one through Volvo finance, you would have to use its standard lease money factors. These vary, depending upon what part of the country you are in, but should be around .00320 for any length lease. Its 36 and 48 month, 10,000 miles per year residual values for this car are 54% and 45%, respectively. As you can see, this lease program is not very attractive. As a result, most consumers who lease this car do so through an independent bank. By doing so, they can take advantage of the $2,400 dealer cash that Volvo is providing on '04.5 S40 T5 models that are leased through banks other than Volvo Finance.
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Thanks for the help with the Es last week. I have a friend that needs you help now. The same car 3yr/45k on a Lexus ES but with out Nav this time.
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You recently posted that the lease rate on a g35x (36m/12k miles) was .00164. The dealer told me that rate is only for return infiniti financial customers and that the base rate for new customers is .0018 (which is equal to the prior months program). Is this true or are they padding some profit (they started at .0022 which they agreed was marked up b/f dropping to .0018). I am getting the car on VPP so the car is around $200 over invoice w/o negotation so it would not surprise me if the dealer is trying to not provide the best rate.
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