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It's not normal practice in Europe to pay premiums over MSRP, even on "rare" vehicles. If there's a waiting list, that's normally it (unless of course you happen to be some kind of a VIP).
MB practice more or less the same net prices all over Europe. The German price lists for all models (inclusive and exclusive of sales tax, in DEM and EUR) are available in .pdf format at their website. This is the most recent one for the ML:
http://www.mercedes-benz.de/mbd/pdf/M-163.pdf
It is true than in certain EU Member States car owners are thoroughly whacked over their heads with taxes. However, it's not solely to blaim on comprehensive social security etc. In my native country, Denmark, the sales tax is 25% on everything, and cars are - before the sales tax is applied - luxury taxed at some 180%. And the income tax scale STARTS at 52%. Yet the social security system is no better (rather worse) than the one in Luxembourg where I live at the moment, where the sales tax is 15% - and income taxes are far less. Yet the two states economies are far different - actually Luxembourg has so much money at the end of the year that they could (and may) introduce NEGATIVE income tax without suffering.
Sorry, this was off topic.
Birger
Could one of our hosts explain further??
TIA,
Birger
It could be that they're trying out the reaction on the public before popping a new look on the ML.
Just my $ .02
Birger
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Is your mailbox full?
Robert
Glad MB's pricing policy is consistent across countries and is not like Honda's. For those of you who don't visit the MDX topic, dealers are selling them for $2K over MSRP or forcing you to buy $2-3K of accessories just so you can buy it "at MSRP". I've never heard this w/ the ML (though there were dealers who sold "demos" over MSRP).
Fully restored my faith in this great company and plan on buying an E class later this year as a result.
for 3 years down to the wiper blades.
I was a bit skeptical of this by MBZ and thought it was either compensating for a less
than steller quality record for the ML or just another way to sell you something else while you are there.
The wife takes in the car for the 1 year check up which includes a tire rotation. And MBZ suggests we balance the tires for $70.00. To me, this is a maintenance item, and the fact that they recommend it, tells me they should provide it. There was also a promis of a free loaner car. But our local dealer has a clevor way of disuading you from using thier loaners by forcing you to make an appointment 2 months in advance! The light doesn't go on two months in advance - so how can they expect me to make my appointment 2 months in advance.
I like the car, I like the people, but the sell of full coverage and free loaners is deceptive.
As I read the literature, the primary (only?) concern for Mobile 1 is the minimum temperature rating. If true, there would be no issue about the max viscosity rating. . . .
I used 0W-30 for the first 3 changes and will do so again after the next 4K miles.
Re FSS maintenance, the dealer that did my ML's first scheduled maintainance (at 11.5K miles) did a tire rotate and re-balance. They said that they should charge for the balance, but didn't. They also offered me a smelly Enterprise rent a wreck but I declined so I could play with my new (to me) 400e for a few days.
... Tracy
C230: Transmission failer in the first month of operation. After that some electrical problems. Like windows open by itself and you can not close it down.
ML320: First time check engine light came on, they had to replace the fuel tank after trying to fix it. Next time they told me that it was bad fuel. Two days late the track died on me in the middle of the highway. Called roadside assistance for help was waiting for an hour for the tow track to come. They took the track to MB of Morristown. Monday evening they call me back saying that everything is fixed. They had to replaced the fuel pump. Next day then I came to pick it up, the check engine light was on and the car was shaking. They took it back. Now is the tuesday late noon still have no word from MB.
My lease on C230 is about to expire in December of 2001(3Year lease) and me next car will deffinetly not be another MB.
Good luck!
Any help would be great. Also any "good" dealers in the Eastern Mass. area?
Much thanks,
Jack
I traded a 99 Silverado in on the ML and couldn't be happier, except for deer season when I miss my PU. I can also tell you the ML320's V6 feels like it has almost as much torque as GM's 5.3L V8.
Ultimately its a personal decision, but I'd highly recommend the ML. Take all your choices out for a test drive, preferably more then a few miles, then make your decision.
I have had the same stupid electrical problems and window roll downs you have had on your C. The trick to get the windows back up (you may already know) Roll all the windows down and then close them with the key remote. Apparantly MB was so impressed with my discovery that they filed it as a fix. What fix, my windows still roll down at the worst momment, like this past winter .
I had a transmission failure on my ML. This time I got MB Corporate involved and they have made peace with me, so I am satisfied for now. Still I am not pleased with the squeeks that come and go, but, this winter proved its worth. I commute 50 miles each way and hit both of those snow storms. We never got stuck even though others did.
Good luck during the rest of your lease.
I owned a 99 ML430, & presently own a 2000 ML55AMG as well as a 2001 Denali XL. Both of these are excellent vehicles. If you are looking for a Mid-size SUV the ML is hard to beat. I would not rate one superior to the other overall however. The ML handles better than the XL, but again I'm talking about the ML55. The Denali XL's ride is better & the 6.0 is well suited to the vehicle. They are both safe vehicles, but the M Class is absolutely state of the art in every safety aspect. The brakes are amazing on both vehicles, the ML stops quicker, but weighs much less. I believe you would be happy with either of these vehicles, they are both fun to drive & well built. I had 2 minor service issues with my ML55 in the first month, each was handled quickly & efficiently. I've had the Denali 2 1/2 months & have had no problems with it thus far. Drive them both & good luck in your decision, either way I believe you're the winner. Fell free to E-mail me with any questions.
Randy: "bordeauxml55amg@aol.com"
dt77
I have recently read from the forum that some owners had been able to negotiate with Mercedes such that they offered to buy back/ trade-in for a 2000 model. What procedure have you gone through to do this? And what price did they offer for the trade in? I would GREATLY appreciate if someone could help out! At first it seems to make sense for me to sell the car and get another one, but my car only has 15000 mile on it and it would depreciate extremely badly JUST because it is a 98. thanks!
dt77
i was enquiring about if the silvervisions [turn signal bulbs which are coated silver and still blink amber] would fit the ML. i was thinking of getting them for a while. but thier support couldn't confirm. do u know if it can ? apparently, they are pretty 'standard; bulbs.
dt77
http://fullspeed.to/ml
Ideas?
Thanks again, Jack
As for higher colour temperature bulbs, the Philips Bluevisions available in H7 size and they're higher colour temperature, i.e. whiter, than the VisionPlus bulbs. They were also highly rated (4 out of 5 stars), but you do lose some light (over 100 lumens, I think).
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/michaelab/carcare-newsection/print_carcare.php3?id=84
Drew
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I would have your service rep check the strike plate on teh door latch. That fixed it for me.
Cheers
One of 4: ML 7.3l Brabus V-12, Vmax: 275 kph (172 mph), 39,000km, blue met, creme leather, TV/video, fully optioned, DEM 617,000 (US$ 280,000) when new, now DEM 275,000 (US$ 125,000)
Just in case you want to blitz by an officer at 170 mph, just to question his sanity in court later, here is the contact#: 011 2261 817530
Another interesting one:
E 55 AMG T, Lorinser kompressor-kit, 420 hp, DEM 203,000 (US$ 92,000) when new, now DEM 115,000 (US$ 52,000) obo.
I think I would have died laughing, had they said ...when new, now only some ridiculous amount in DEM, obo...
Now I understand why Germans are often considered "freaks" .
Ashamed Tarik
The cool thing is that you could lose every stock MB in your rearview mirrors, since they are ALL governed at 155 mph, imagine the surprise for AMG-ers...
Flabbergasted Tarik
I posted this on the accessories board too, but not sure how much traffic that really gets.
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I just bought 9 qts of 5W30. I don't know why they'd be selling 0W30 in California because it will never get that cold down there.
This has been a recurring problem but I finally solved it tonight. When pumping gas, the pump hanlde will often shut itself off before the tank is full. I thought it was due to an imperfect seal. By twisting the handle left and right I finally found a spot where the seal was tight and the handle didn't shut off until the end. This was a hassle in the past because I kept having to hold the pump handle.
Complies with ECE regulations and is fully road legal.
Base: BAU15,s "
dt77