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http://www.tosco.com/internet_pub/repository/lubes/44_tn3_4.pdf
Courtesy of Pat on Bob's board
Went to Walmart once several years ago. Must have got the deluxe oil and filter change where they check everything and grease non-existant fittings. Anyway when I went to pick it up they said they had to add 1/2 qt. of ATF. Knowing the answer I still asked how they had checked it. i.e. engine at operating temp, shifter cycled through the full range a couple times with the engine running. I was livid. I marched across the service bay and down to their pit with the manager in my wake saying , "Sir you're not allowed on the floor" over and over again. Anyway I watched the guy drain an appropriate amount of ATF. I checked the dipstick myself and about a mile down the road and the level was right where it belonged. I check ATF regularly having eaten a couple of expensive tranny rebuilds over the years.
Caveat emptor!!!!!!!
That's why I get the $11.94 Wal-Mart special. At least they used bottled, SL oil. What's in those bulk oil tanks anyway?
92 cents at Costco for Chevron SL. Am I missing something?
obtain API certification and still remain cost competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil
change outlets we had to change to Group III basestocks for the XL 7500 series of oil. To
obtain API certification with our top tier basetocks would have priced our dealers out of
the market. What crap as Amsoil was one of the first to condemn Castrol for their action. Further, they are reducing the price a whopping twenty cents a quart. Still way over $4.quart. This is totally rediculous. Profit comes first. Sad to see but just marketing crap from the Amatuzio family! They claim that the non API certified oils remain true synthetic
American and Japanese automakers have decided to delay adoption of GF-4, the next passenger car motor oil upgrade, according to the Independent Lubricant Manufacturers Association.
The association told members Monday that the International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee decided last week that it cannot develop the standard fast enough to have GF-4 oils commercially available by the fall of 2003. The standard, prescribed to protect emissions control systems required on model year 2004 cars, figured to be the biggest engine oil upgrade since the auto and oil industries wrote the Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System in 1993.
It was widely recognized, however, that the 30-month timeline for developing GF-4 was very aggressive, with some observers expressing skepticism that ILSAC could meet it. Lesser upgrades have taken up to seven years to complete.
A spokeswoman for ILSAC’s administrative umbrella, the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, refused to confirm or deny the report, which was e-mailed to members of the Independent Lubricant Manufacturers Association. ILSAC member representatives could not be reached for comment yesterday.
Jeff Leiter, legal counsel for the lubricant manufacturers association, said the delay was agreed to after a General Motors representative told an ILSAC meeting early last week that the committee’s timeline for GF-4 was not practical.
“He went into the meeting and told people that they needed a reality check,” Leiter said. “He said it was just not going to be possible to do GF-4 for the 2004 model year.” ILSAC members then held a conference call at the end of the week during which they agreed to delay the specification, he said.
ILMA officials said they did not know the specific reason for the delay and that ILSAC members plan to meet July 9 to set a new schedule and to draft a statement explaining their decision.
More than one significant obstacle for GF-4 has been identified . Perhaps the biggest challenge is the question of whether formulators can develop a motor oil that protects new emissions control devices (and meets other stated goals of improving gas mileage, offering better cold-temperature performance and lasting longer under high temperatures and high loads) while protecting engines in existing cars . Automakers have insisted that GF-4 be backward compatible. Oil and additive companies have said that may not be possible or practical .
Another challenge – development of a new test to measure oil oxidation and engine wear – was discussed at last week’s ILSAC meeting, according to Leiter. ILSAC had said it wanted to begin matrix testing of the GM-sponsored IIIG engine sequence test in August, but members are still working to identify funds and will not be able to start testing until fall or winter.
Leiter said it is difficult to say if a delay in implementation of GF-4 will benefit the lubricant industry. On the one hand, manufacturers might be relieved to have more time to prepare for such a large change. On the other, automakers have previously warned that they might abandon EOLCS and develop their own motor oil specifications if they believed the cooperative system could not meet their schedule.
By Tim Sullivan
I use the stuff too,for past ten years. However, increasingly dissapointed in their marketing hype, association with Bosch (several inferior products IMHO including wiper blades and filters) and bottom line is all that matters it seems. Redline appears to be the only one now that not only talks the talk but walks the walk.
No, not AJ needing money, Amatuzios son probably had some stock options due and needed to increase profits. Thus, use cheaper base stock but only drop the price 20 cents/quart
The fleecing of America!
Also IMO the oil companies should be allowed more time to recover their research and qualification costs (they are quite high) for the SL first.
I predict that oil prices will sneak up over time. Or perhaps they are stocking up when crude prices are lower.
Well, isn't that true that not a single new plant (the TRUE reason IMHO for blackouts and higher prices) was built during 10 years PRIOR to deregulation due to the "enviromental" concerns?
See the $700 million Enron gave it's execs as farewells this last year and the $15k or so given to terminated employees?
It is finally coming out in the news what many Californians figured out during the "shortage" last year -
a. There's plenty of power available for California. And that's from within our own borders. But, when energy plants are taken off-line for "maintenance" double and triple the percentage taken off-line in the past years - and during the hottest summer months - something's going on well beyond the control of the state.
b. When companies like Perot Systems are hired to write the software to control energy allocations within the state under the new dereg plans - and then try and peddle a different version of the same software to the energy companies involved in the day-to-day bidding to "game" the system at a huge profit - well, that ain't a real shortage either. It's called manipulation.
I could go on and on since this is a popular topic in CA these days as the summer approaches again. But it's rather boring to write and, I suspect, to read.
In sum, there's plenty of power so come on over and visit CA this summer and spend lots of dollars. We'll keep the A/C on for ya.
Then go home, as they say in Oregon.
malachy72, jeffmust2, vadp: There is a real "reserve" shortage today in generation which is why prices spike during hot weather. There is greed in every industry, but the real problems which are yet to be solved will rear their ugly head: Over-regulation with permits (state, local, DEP)..goes on and on, Deregulation with pricing makes shelling out money for new plants unattractive-meaning no major coal fired plants have been built in 25 years-(30 for nukes-which don't polute), huge influx of immigrants (who don't come to the country with energy), short term fix of building gas fired plants (buy gas futures for the summer), more frequent downtime for aging power plants with more maintenance (also we also have only 3-5 percent reserve where 10 years ago we had 15% reserve, manipulation of distribution futures causing huge spikes in prices. Independent generators who were garanteed fixed rates higher than established utilities were able to charge. Many of them (who never generated) have been bought out-you paid for it=scamcity. I could go on and on and our politicians are clueless-They are too busy stuffing their pockets. Sit back and enjoy the wild ride. It takes 8-10 years (maybe more with our over regulation) to put a coal or nuclear plant on line.
Oh, I am getting close to checking my milage since I added one quart of 15W-50 SuperSyn when I replaced filters. According to the gas needle it appears OK but then again-I wouldn't expect a large change. Its probably my imaginationbut the vehicle seeems quieter on startup-very subjective.
Murray's, an auto parts chain in my area, has bumped its Mobil 1 price from $4.69 in the SJ Tri-Synth days to $4.99 for the new SL SuperSyn.
Went back to replenish a few quarts. Now the same Tri Syn is $4.79.qt.
It was nice while it lasted.........
Were they SJ or SL rated Mobil One synthetic for 2.94 qt?
TB
They $.94 each so I had to go ahead and get'em.
The label on back says it is SL, both in the text on the back and at the bottom where it shows the API service SL,SJ,SH and ILSAC gf-3/GF-2,,,
----but the API seal says API service SJ.------
I've also got some Havoline 10w/40 and 20w/50 out there where the labels are all correct, I guess the 10w/30 bottles were emergency printed by the new temp guy? Maybe he now works for Mobil1???
see ya
Who makes good synthetic GL5 gear oil and at what price retail? I use Klotz in my Valkyrie hub, but now need something suited to Nissan "positraction."
The cheapest place I havbe seen their products though is:
http://www.manhonda.com/store/honda/index.cfm?level=35&CFID=768471&CFTOKEN=32379508
Having heard on this board that ST filters are made by Champion Labs, they are certainly on my list as soon as my AC Delco and Toyota OEM filters have been used up.
I think I posted a response on the "slippery" thread that I have a couple cases of Chevron and a couple of Havoline, with labels that say Chevron Texaco, and no mention of Equilon at all. Now, don't forget good ol' Kmart. Wix makes a great filter, and Kmart sells 'em under house brand names-- Castrol and Penske.
What about Havoline synthetic - it is only $3.50, and the Wal-mart synthetic is only $3 (I imagine it is made by a major manuf. not sure who though) but they only have 10-30 and I prefer 5-30.