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Need your help, my brother is considering a Navigator. Looks like they are being heavely
discounted, under invoice for purchase. Want to check on lease deals.
Do you know the latest numbers. Also, is there any lease cash.
I just totaled my 2002 Lexus ES 300 and am looking to lease a new BMW X5 3.0 or Audi A6. The MSRP on each is around $48,000.00. I need 18k miles per year for 3 years. Is either company offering decent leases right now?
Thanks.
Do you have the Nov. residual & MF for the 2005 Accord EX-L and EX-V6? I'm looking for 36 months and 12 or 15,000 miles. Thanks in advance.
The first two leases I got were right after tax return time, so I had my big government tax return burning a hole in my pocket. It was also before I had done a lot of research into leasing.
Let me just give you an example of how wrapping everything into the lease could work out. My current lease is a 2004 Odyssey EXL-RES. I have applied basically the same numbers to a 2005 Odyssey lease. These numbers will all change based on the numbers you are given, but these are my numbers:
MSRP: $32410
Residual Value: 53% (48 Mon. Lease, 12,000 Miles)
Discount: $2843.26 (Invoice + 2%)
Down Payment: 0
Net Cap Cost: $29566.74
Acquisition Fee: $495 (fairly typical for a lease)
Registration Fee: $45
Document Fee: $100
First Months's Payment: $369.46
Lump Sum Tax: $1121.37 (6.75%, must pay up front in Ohio either rolled in or out of pocket)
Gross Cap Cost: $31697.57
Total Depreciation: $14520.27
Money Factor: .00137 (3.288%)
Total Interest (Money Factor) Payments: $3214.01
Termination Fee: $395
Total Payments for 48 Months: $18129.28 (Includes depreciation, interest payments, termination fee)
To sum up, with zero down and zero out of pocket, I pay $369 a month for 48 months.
If I pay the acq. fee, the regis. fee, the doc. fee, and the first payment ($322.16/mon, lower because all of the fees, interest, and taxes are not included) and tax ($1043.78, also lower) out of pocket on day one I pay $2005.94. Now you may say the montly payment and the tax is lower. The interest is also lower by $140 over the life of the 48 month lease. Over the life of this lease I pay $17864.27, or only $265.01 less than when everything is rolled in. That is less than one month's payment.
Why so little savings when you are paying interest on the rolled in amount? Well, remember, you pay about $2000 up front out of pocket to lower your payments by $47 each month, or a total of $2270 over 48 months.
When rolled in, all the fees and tax you pay are amortized, so you actually only pay for the depreciated part.
For my money, I would rather keep my cash (tax return or whatever) and spend the extra $47 each month rather than pay the $2000 up front (which amounts to about $42 a month).
Bingo.!
14,000+ posts .. and finally we have our first genius .. he's right.!
Terry.
Thanks for taking the time to write all that out.
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Another advantage of leasing, is you can see exactly what your car expenses are.. When you put down a large amount upfront, you are just "muddying the waters".
My rule of thumb is 1st payment and security deposit only at signing.
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my question is if you put everything into the payment, will you have to pay finance charges and does gap insurance cover it?
that's all. just wondering if the dealer is trying to get me to lease a higher amount so he can look better and I pay more in interest. i have no problems rolling taxes because in NJ I don't pay any finance charges on that. But if I roll in deposit, first payment, dealer fees, registration, will it be financed? I rather pay those up front and not pay any interest since I have the money. but if you don't have to pay any interest on it, then i am 100 percent with you guys.
The 1800 out of pocket covered acqusition fee, doc fees, first payment, deposit, and registration.
And yes, you do pay finance charges on anything that isn't paid up front.... But, on most leases that is anywhere between $0.50 and $2.50 per thousand per month.. So, roll $2K into the lease and it will cost you $1.00-$5.00 per month, depending on your money factor.
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Thanks,
Dale
I'm considering the 2005 350z roadster (touring).
Do you have the base money factor and 24/36 month residuals (@12k/yr)? Any idea if Nissan may come out with a year end incentive?
Thanks!
No they're not. They're ASKING that, for the next guy who is $2,000 buried, like you are. Or $4,000. So don't feel bad, sounds like they're doing ok by you...
-Mathias
Now we're also looking at Audi, (I've posted recently asking about a Volvo XC90 lease.) In previous posts you said the Oct. program ended Nov. 3rd, do you have the November lease information? Looking for residuals and money factors for a 2005 allroad 2.7T with Tiptronic (automatic). Would like to know 36 and 48 months for both 12K and 15K.
You're so awesome, you're work here is greatly appreciated!
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Thank you for your advice in advance.
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Acura is not currently providing any sort of lease support on the 2005 TL. So if you were to lease one through American Honda Finance Corp. you would have to use its standard lease money factors. The current 39 month, 15,000 miles per year base lease money factor and residual value for an '05 TL without navigation should be .00245 and 56%, respectively. The only reason why this car's money factor would be higher is if you were going to have its security deposit requirement waived, or if your dealer is marking-up its factor to add additional back-end profit to your deal.
Using the numbers that I just mentioned, an MSRP of $35,470, and a selling price of $34,720, I estimate that this car will have a zero down, pre-tax monthly payment of around $515. As you can see, this payment is WAY less than the payment that you were quoted, so something does not add up here.
Since this is your first time leasing, you may want to check out the following helpful articles that are available here at Edmunds.com: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment. They contain a lot of good information that will keep you from getting taken for a ride, so to speak, by dealers.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
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residual and MF for
camry LE
Altima S
Also, are the dealers getting lease support. I have noticed really low lease deals with the Altima in particular. Even taking Cap cost reduction into account the deals are still good
if you put that money back into the lease.
(for example one dealer advertised 189/month
with 999$ due at signing)
Do you think between NOV and DEC these deals would change for the worse? my current camry
goes out of lease in Jan (last payment in Dec)
thanks!
sandy
Does navigation makes the difference?
In the Northeastern U.S. this month Volvo is providing an additional $1,000 on AWD XC90 models that was not available last month. Make sure that your salesperson takes this additional incentive into account on your deal.
A lease acquisition fee of $895 is a little on the high side. It's definitely higher than the $595 that Volvo Finance Charges. I am not sure exactly what sort of acquisition fee Chase charges, but some banks do actually have fees that are this high.
I am not personally all that familiar with what XC90s are selling for in your neck of the woods right now, but you may be able to get some feedback on pricing for this vehicle by visiting the following discussion: "Volvo XC90: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".
New Jersey definitely does charge tax on leased vehicles. I believe that it bases its sales tax on leased vehicles on the depreciation portion of your lease. You may be able to find out more informaiton on the taxation of leases in New Jersey by visiting one of the following sites: New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission or New Jersey Taxation.
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I believe that there is an ample supply of 350Zs out there, so if this deal falls through, you shouldn't have any trouble finding another one. On an interesting side note, Nissan must be having a tough time unloading the leftover 2004 350Zs because it actually introduced support on this model for the first time ever this month. It is currently offering 2% financing for up to 5 years on '04 350Zs. If you are not completely set on leasing this car, you may want to consider financing an '04.
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The only fee that I wouldn't try to get out of paying is your vehicle's security deposit. Banks will usually offer to waive their security deposit requirement in exchange for a slight increase in the money factor that is used to calculate your lease payment. Why pay more per month to lease the car or truck that you want when you will get your security deposit back at lease-end anyhow?
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Try to find out what selling price you are being charged and compare it to the Edmunds.com True Market Value for the Murano that can be found in the following section of this site to see if you are being given a fair price: Edmunds.com New Vehicle Pricing. You may also want to stop by the following discussion to see if any community members can give you any valuable feedback on what the market is currently like for this vehicle: "Nissan Murano: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".
Once you know what the selling price of this vehicle is, let me know and I will tell you what I think of the lease payment that you were quoted.
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Let's take a look at the specific programs that are available on these models at this time. If you were to lease a 2005 BMW X5 3.0 through BMW Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00150 and 58%, respectively. While if you were to lease a 2005 Audi A6 3.2 through Audi Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base factor and residual should be .00190 and 52%.
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Quick question, I have a car dealership telling me that if I lease a car for 4 years, I can then turn this car back in after 3 and get a new lease, basically keep the lease payments going with no penalties of mileage. I find this very hard to believe and too good to be true. What is your response to this statement/question? Thanks.
As far as their lease programs go, if you were to lease a 2005 BMW 530i through BMW Financial Services this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base money factor and residual value should be .00150 and 60%. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2005 E320 Sedan through Mercedes-Benz Credit Corp. should be .00235 and 58%.
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On an interesting side note, Nissan must be having a tough time unloading the leftover 2004 350Zs because it actually introduced support on this model for the first time ever this month. It is currently offering 2% financing for up to 5 years on '04 350Zs. If you are not completely set on leasing this car, you may want to consider financing an '04 model.
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Nissan is providing dealers with quite a bit of support on the 2004 version of the Quest to help them unload all of their leftover units. I believe that the '05 model just hit lots a little while ago. I would be willing to bet that Nissan will up its support on the '05 model as soon as it has sold out all of the remaining 2004s.
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