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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,820
    That Fairlane ad cracked me up. Just wants something comfortable to drive to shows, will consider trade for Lightning. :)
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,820
    Uh oh...
    https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6177115030.html
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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    explorerx4 said:

    Uh oh...
    https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6177115030.html

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    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    " no motor no trans no suspension frame is rotted" --- hmmm...what about the important stuff?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    For some reason, every time I click on a link, the link opens but when I close it it blows me out of whatever website I am on. Does anyone know if there is a way to fix this? I would love to open every one of those links but the process would take me an hour. Something I need to change in my settings?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    If unique is what you seek....

    https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6189943200.html

    Uplander?
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,087

    isellhondas said:

    For some reason, every time I click on a link, the link opens but when I close it it blows me out of whatever website I am on. Does anyone know if there is a way to fix this? I would love to open every one of those links but the process would take me an hour. Something I need to change in my settings?


    It sounds like you are closing your whole browser instead of the "tab" that it opened.   After clicking one of the links, look a little below the title bar/address bar. You should see "tabs" (think of file folders).  One will still say Edmunds Forums, the other the Craigslist link.  Only close the CL tab (little X upper right) not the whole window in the far upper right corner.  Hope this helps.  

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    That Lark needs some correct style tires stat.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    That two tone combo - beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    isellhondas said:

    If unique is what you seek....

    https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6189943200.html

    Uplander?

    Kinda cute...price is fair enough if it's not a rust bucket. The two-tone does cut down the boxy profile--now it looks like a Hillman Minx!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    I like it, but what the hell is "mostly restored"??

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,555
    Aka needs a lot of expensive work still, plus I screwed up what I already did. And am now broke.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,354
    I don't care for that two-tone. The way it carries forward to the interior makes me wonder if it was like that originally though.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    tjc78 said:



    isellhondas said:


    For some reason, every time I click on a link, the link opens but when I close it it blows me out of whatever website I am on. Does anyone know if there is a way to fix this? I would love to open every one of those links but the process would take me an hour. Something I need to change in my settings?



    It sounds like you are closing your whole browser instead of the "tab" that it opened.   After clicking one of the links, look a little below the title bar/address bar. You should see "tabs" (think of file folders).  One will still say Edmunds Forums, the other the Craigslist link.  Only close the CL tab (little X upper right) not the whole window in the far upper right corner.  Hope this helps.  

    That did it! Thank you so much!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    Had the old car out today, but back in the garage by early afternoon - the fiery nuclear orb in the sky had it to near 90 here today, and it will be 95 tomorrow, the old car becomes an oven. It ran perfectly in the heat though, didn't really miss a beat, and got a number of looks and compliments.

    After a drive in the heat, back in the comfortable shade. Covered car at left is a 64 Pontiac convertible that never moves, covered car at right is a 55 Chevy that I think has moved once this year:



  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    You are very lucky to have that covered storage at a reasonable price! Hard to find this!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    edited June 2017
    I wish it was more reasonable :) but I look at it as a necessity no different than fuel. A few years outside would effectively destroy the car, I fear. Cars like this that aren't especially high value, and have survived perhaps through a combination of care and luck, need the help.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,962
    fintail said:

    I wish it was more reasonable :) but I look at it as a necessity no different than fuel. A few years outside would effectively destroy the car, I fear. Cars like this that aren't especially high value, and have survived perhaps through a combination of care and luck, need the help.

    Is their an AC System Kit add in your future? Wonder how much that would zap your acceleration :smile:
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,354
    It might make the car go backwards when turned on. ;)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    I wish it was more reasonable :) but I look at it as a necessity no different than fuel. A few years outside would effectively destroy the car, I fear. Cars like this that aren't especially high value, and have survived perhaps through a combination of care and luck, need the help.

    Is their an AC System Kit add in your future? Wonder how much that would zap your acceleration :smile:
    I owned a fintail Mercedes with AC--it wasn't bog slow. It was a manual 4-speed transmission though.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    edited June 2017
    Nope. I am far too lazy for that, and the car has other needs. My car is the sporty fast fuel injected model, so I suspect it could still maintain forward momentum - but I wouldn't want to press my luck. It's a windows-down car in the summer, and I try to keep it inside once it is 90 or so outside.
    andres3 said:


    Is their an AC System Kit add in your future? Wonder how much that would zap your acceleration :smile:

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Back in the 70's I had a dealer add on AC - it had poor reliability and I learned from others that was rather common for those units. I think the job was just perhaps too complicated on an after the fact basis.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I once owned a 1969 VW Beetle that had dealer installed a/c. It got so cold it would freeze you out of the car but did it EVER affect the car's power! If I was cruising at 65MPH and the compressor cycled on the car would slow
    down by a good 5 MPH. When it kicked back on the car would speed back up.

    I used to take it to an Independent shop owned by Dieter who thought installing A/C in a VW was a terrible
    thing to do and looking back, I have to agree! He came close to refusing to even work on it!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Very risky, too, putting that kind of load on a VW engine of that era.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,087

    isellhondas said:

    I once owned a 1969 VW Beetle that had dealer installed a/c. It got so cold it would freeze you out of the car but did it EVER affect the car's power! If I was cruising at 65MPH and the compressor cycled on the car would slow
    down by a good 5 MPH. When it kicked back on the car would speed back up.

    I used to take it to an Independent shop owned by Dieter who thought installing A/C in a VW was a terrible
    thing to do and looking back, I have to agree! He came close to refusing to even work on it!


    My mom had a similar vintage VW with the AC and Auto stick (or whatever they called the clutchless manual).  She said it was tough to go fast! 

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    "My mom had a similar vintage VW with the AC and Auto stick (or whatever they called the clutchless manual). She said it was tough to go fast! "

    Where "fast" is "faster than a pedestrian"...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well it's relative. In 1864, a VW would be extremely fast.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,962
    On the LA freeways today, a VW Bug w/ AC would be very fast.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The equal of any car on the road, in fact!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited July 2017
    Our used car manager once told a story where he was appraising a VW bug with auto stick. He wound it out
    in first and stepped on the "clutch " pedal which almost propelled him through the windshield.

    Instead of a clutch pedal they had an extra wide brake pedal.

    Those were weird indeed but since VW was losing sales to Toyota and Datsun, they had to do "something" and so they did! The miserable Auto Stick was born!

    I can't begin to imagine how gutless one of those would have been with A/C added?
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,087
    It had to be slow to my mother at the time.   My Dad had a Grand Prix with a big block, and she used to drive my Grandpop's Caddy all the time.  

    She has certainly had her share of gutless cars.  The '92 Caravan 4cyl struggled up hill with the AC on. 

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    You made me look that up, isell. I had no idea an electrically controlled clutch dated back that far. 

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It wasn't all the bad really. People didn't like it because if you just touched the gearshift, even without moving it beyond a "nudge", it would immediately return to neutral--once you let off the gearshift, it would go back into the gear it was in before you touched the gearshift.

    It had a torque converter and 3 forward gears instead of 4...what you got was the normal VWs 2-3- and 4.

    These units also required maintenance and that's where most owners fell afoul. If you maintained it, it was quite reliable. It was similar to Chrysler's Fluid Drive.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    Sounds as prone to issues as the MB Hydrak (vacuum clutch), which apparently worked as intended if you remembered to lift off the throttle when shifting, and required a strict maintenance schedule. But if you operated it wrong, it would break. I think more than a couple cars have been converted to standard clutches. I've never driven one, and have seen very few cars with it, all Pontons. It was optional on early fintails.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Renault had a system like that called FERLEC, a real POC that was--the clutch was applied by electromagnets. What could possibly go wrong?

    There is also something called a Jaeger Powder Clutch. I'm not sure I even want to know...
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I knew a guy who had a VW Auto Stick and he thought it was amusing to hold his hand on the gearshift, rev up the engine and suddenly take his hand off the shifter. The little VW would bounce up and take off.

    I don't know how long that transmission lasted.
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    edited July 2017
    If this falcon sprint has the original 260 engine then would it also likely have a 2 speed automatic? Under all the crud which seems to be covering everything. But...still has chrome bumpers.


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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,354
    Yeah, I wonder how that Falcon would look if they cleaned it up some. It would have Fordomatic Drive, which in '64 was a 2-speed - I think the last year for that trans.

    A/C parts in the trunk, interesting. Those are nice little cars when fresh. I always admire them when I see restored ones at shows. Not sure how much money that one would suck up to get there. Price seems up there given the general tiredness.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    $9500 would be a decent price for one in "fair" condition---parts of this car look rather nasty, however. Upside when you're done restoring it is perhaps $35,000, so the question is---can you get from HERE to THERE?

    Basically you either get in there with a Hazmat suit and spend two disgusting weeks cleaning it up and driving it as is, or you tear the whole car apart. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground here.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,820
    edited July 2017
    Link to a PDF with the catalog of vehicles to be auctioned in Norwalk, Ohio.
    My newly minted son in law's dad is involved in managing it.
    Not sure what the numbers mean for each picture(views?)
    Lots of stuff that needs more than the sale price.
    In my browser, there is a + sign in the lower right to expand the pictures(that's all you get, bigger pictures).
    http://ronhackenberger.us15.list-manage.com/track/click?u=78fc352de75ab1ed246d8282f&id=6437b1eb2f&e=ec1509f0d5
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Those are probably lot numbers.

    Lotta junk in there, and some worthless cars/trucks in the best of time, but a treasure-trove of parts cars and perhaps a few jewels that were stored indoors. Hard to tell just from the catalog.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,354
    Is there anything that fellow didn't buy?

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,605
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    Renault had a system like that called FERLEC, a real POC that was--the clutch was applied by electromagnets. What could possibly go wrong?

    There is also something called a Jaeger Powder Clutch. I'm not sure I even want to know...

    Back in the day (many days ago) my father had a co-worker with a 4CV that had that FERLEC system. Her opinion went way beyond the use of the term "POC" and involved suggestions for the maker of the system that involved actions of doubtful physicological feasibility.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,820
    @Mr_Shiftright,
    Lot numbers makes sense.
    We are on family vacation the weekend, so I can't go(would love to).
    My son in law is interested in that blue Mustang.
    I'm interested in seeing how it goes.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    That dude definitely liked oddballs. Lots of Crosleys and Studes. Some stuff of interest but likely not worth more than a few hundred bucks.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    That Falcon looks like the entire car was plasti-dipped or something, weird. I like the 63 Sprint hardtop.

    Fun auction, but most of it looks like labors of love or parts cars. I'd choose the Tatra, 61 Plymouth convertible (I'd park it at the local Lexus dealer :) ), 58 Studes, Goggos, among others. Uplanderguy needs to attend that sale.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    Took the fintail out on the highway this morning, drove about 100 miles. These trips always make me a little worried, as things might go wrong (like the sticking brake last year). My worries were unfounded, the car didn't miss a beat, cruised along at 60-65 without complaint. I got a number of looks and thumbs up, noticed a kid in a passing car taking pics, etc. Fun summer Sunday. Sometimes it is kind of relaxing to just stick to the right lane, sit back, and enjoy the ride, although I did pass a number of people too, as slow drivers aren't exactly rare here.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    Long Island Craigs

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6168307039.html G wagon. These go for big bucks but I don't really get them

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6199462085.html 86 GT 'roller'. Could be OK for a budget build. Body and interior look presentable. Have to see what parts are included with it

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6207261551.html Sell the wheeks and 2x4 separately and junk the rest

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6175362003.html I don't get these either. Looks like a nice build

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6190716660.html Andre? This is a boat and a half

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6202859021.html Early 4runner. Looks clean and price doesn't seem out of hand

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6206813009.html I didn't think that these could last this long. For the niles, body actually looks really good

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6198506760.html Let's see a print out from a dyno

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6204471716.html Looks like a nice driver Porsche for not much
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,555
    on that Monet, are my eyes bad, or is there really no shift lever?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,555
    that 944 does look surprisingly nice. Seems to have the back story you want. Recent maintenance must have cost a few bucks. I could probably live with that. Once I ditched the window tint!

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