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  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    The stock Impreza pulley weighs 5.5lbs where the UR pulleys weighs 1lb.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    myforester,

    I think this is what you were trying to post:

    http://community-2.webtv.net/myforester/My2001Forester/index.html

    Nice ride! Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the Subaru family.
  • vtzvtz Member Posts: 2
    Hi,

    how do people think about wheel locks? Are they worth the money or are they a more or less useless token? Do they really protect the wheel from thiefs?
    Thanks.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Wheels locks make sense if you have expensive brand-name wheels like BBS or Momo that have market value. I think it's overkill to get wheel locks for your Subaru wheels. Chances are there are very few thieves out there that would try to steal them since their only market would be other Subaru customers.
  • miche4miche4 Member Posts: 26
    Dryfly: Alaska, here. Where in Oregon did you buy your new Sube? I hit Thomasons Web Page but didn't find any deals. Then I sent some e-mails to a few dealers in Washington. So far only one response for 4% over invoice for a 2001SFore. Prem Pkg with Auto, engine block heater and security system. That is almost $1,000 over invoice plus shipping up here and all that. He said demand is high and supply is low! Any advice? So far our one and only dealer and I can't even agree on the invoice numbers. I haven't heard back. I would need seat covers too ....when I finally get a vehicle.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    So, Ramon, I think you said you installed the UR pulley. Do you experience any noticeable difference in A/C or light performance? How about Horsepower?
  • myforestermyforester Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for the welcome. I am a Idiot when it comes to computers, but I love my Forester more & more everyday.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    It might be worth looking at the site run by Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru in Seattle
    http://www.cars101.com/
    I was intrigued at the idea of selling cars over the net and his site seems about the most comprehensive site I have seen
    No idea what it is like in real life given that I am in Melbourne, Australia.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • jamespowerjamespower Member Posts: 42
    I have no idea what his deals are like, but I like his site and he always replied to personal emails. He had no real incentive, as I was in the UK and then Canada. Has anyone actually met this guy?

    JP
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    Free SCHEDULED maintenance, now it all makes sense. I always do that stuff myself, so I didn't think of it. Sounds pretty good then. And since we're sharing, you can go to the following address to see a few pictures of me and mine.
    http://members.aol.com/dab4/sooby.htm

    Dave
  • miche4miche4 Member Posts: 26
    MyForester: What did you end up paying for your forester?

    I did contact Joe Spitz and he responded with a factory order, 2001 For. S. Prem, Auto, Security System, and of course, Engine Block Heater, in Black for 4% over invoice plus shipping to AK, tax, license, etc. To ship from Bremerton to Anchorage is $1025 plus.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Here's a link to the 2000 JD Power Satisfaction Survey for cars in the UK. The Legacy and Impreza took 1st and 2nd and the Forester 8th!


    http://www.topgear.beeb.com/content/buying/jd_power/list_rating/1to20/index.html
  • soob2k01soob2k01 Member Posts: 6
    Being a proud new Forester owner I have been trying to find Subaru decals and doodads.

    I've tried the usual suspects: Pep Boys, Kragen and even a few dealers and I can't even find a Subaru keychain! I'd love to get one of those upper windshield type banners.

    Any suggestions on where I could locate these items. Any online or paper catalogs out there? Thanks in advance for your help..
  • pisce9capisce9ca Member Posts: 2
    I'm considering a Forester S, my concern is driving up I80, very steep, often crowded with semis , winter weather - Can the Subie get up and pass these trucks with anything resembling speed?

    How is it a high altitude, 5000 + feet?
    Can I pass comfortably and quickly in the mtns, on a curve in the snow/rain, with spray flying up from the trucks blinding me?
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    Yes I have teh Unorthodox Racing pulley in my Impreza Outback since last November. The only tim eyou see a dip in power in terms of lights and a/c or heater is during idle. Other than that it is fine. Even the dip is very minor. Only I notice it. No one in the car knows the small variation in lights. In fact my old cars and some other cars I sat on does it too at idle and they are all stock. In terms of hp. At the crank, for every pound you save you gain 1hp at the wheel. So it is safe to assume I "recovered" 5hp at the wheels. The pulley helps in acceleration and when there is a change in engine speed (shifting to higher gear). It allows the car to rev much faster. When I first installed it the car easily bounce off the limiter. But now that I've adjusted, it's fine now. If you want to take it to another level, then I suggest a flyhwheel which I think Unorthodox Racing makes as well.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    pisce9ca,

    I go to Tahoe on my Forester S several times every ski season and it handles I-80 or I-50 extremely well. I've driven it through R-2 chain restrictions as well as pouring rain without a problem. The Forester's AWD system and great handling characteristics make it a strong choice for the Sierras.

    Passing power is never a problem. My Forester is a 5-speed and I can pretty much keep it in 5th and cruise at 70+mph all the way with 4 passengers and cargo. For those very steep portions, I'll just drop it into 4th and keep going. Remember, the Forester has a very good power-weight ratio -- far better than anything else in it's class. Imagine doing this in a CR-V!

    As for the spray flying up from the trucks, that's something everyone needs to deal with. I usually put some Rain-X on my windsield and it does a good job in keeping stuff from building up.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I 2nd that experience. After several fully loaded trips (cargo overflowing onto the roof rack) of several hours each, I've never once needed more torque.

    Trioxys: the '96 has the same power, 165, as the '97. It was the '95 that had 155 horses. The high octane requirement was only dropped in '97, as you stated.

    An Outback in Hawaii? Heck yeah! Can you say SAND? I can't imagine a more fun place to own one.

    MyForester: welcome and congrats. I have to admit I'm a bit jealous, though.

    vtx: wheels locks? My wife lost the adaptor you're supposed to need, and the tire shop was still able to rotate the tires. It probably helps a little, but it won't stop a determined thief.

    I guess Subaru owners consist of educators, pet owners, and people named "Dave" :o)

    Saturday is the I-club meet, so if I don't know a particular name, and I have to guess, I'll just say "Dave" and I'll probably be right!

    Speaking of Subaru gizmos, I saw a very cool "Forester" watch at Costco. The color even matched my '98 Forester. Kind of regret not buying it, hope they still have it next time I go!

    -juice

    PS Anyone else have Town Hall withdrawal?
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice,

    Hey I think I saw the same watch this past weekend at Target. I believe it's made by Casio. I showed it to my wife and she rolled her eyes. I guess one Forester is enough in our lives. :-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm telling you, our wives just don't get it.

    Mine's very point-A to point-B, but then why take my Soob all the time? "It's more fun!"

    My point EXACTLY.

    -juice
  • torektorek Member Posts: 92
    Yep, I went so far as to diagnose the actual problem myself yesterday. :-) (Not really difficult. The top-level .com registry was rejecting the name "wellengaged.com", as if they forgot to pay their fee or something. Probably a bonehead-admin manuever somewhere, rather than a forgotten fee.)

    As for driving a loaded Forester up mountain roads: Ken's is a 5-speed, and Juice lives on the east coast, where they call every dinky thousand-foot hill a "mountain". I have the 4EAT though, and have taken mine up into the Sierras, and up the 5 from Grapevine to Ft Tejon. You will get a lot of downshifting, and even a bit of annoying hunting (downshift to 3rd, shift back to 4th, back to 3rd, etc.) if you have the cruise control set at 80 or whatever when you climb the steepest grades, but it will still go.

    I have not (yet) tried to go up the 4WD-only road from Wildrose Camp in Death Valley. From the map, it looks like it climbs 4000 feet in just a few miles. That should be interesting. :-)

    Chris
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Chris: you're right. My wife calls our driveway a mountain.

    It's done well on trips to West Virginia and the Skyline Drive areas, which amount to about a 3000 ft rise, though it's gradual.

    -juice
  • torektorek Member Posts: 92
    Of course, I grew up in Maryland, and we used to go out to the Appalachians now and then, so I am reasonably familiar with the area.

    AWD would very handy out there all winter long, as you get lots of freezing rain, slushy snow, and other treacherous weather, especially in those mountains. Daytime running lights would be good through much of central Pennsylvania too (did you know State College PA, home of PSU, has something like 330 overcast days per year average? it is gloomier than Seattle!). But there are few really good grades -- nothing like, say, Old Priest Grade on SR120, here in the Sierra foothills.

    (The "foothills" run from the ~200 ft level, where they meet the central valley, up to about 3--5000 feet. After that you get to the "high country", going on up to some of the high passes. Tioga Pass, in Yosemite, is the highest, at 9945 ft, and there is another 9200-foot pass down just a bit north of Lake Isabella, on a road I have not yet traveled. These are closed all winter long though -- I-80 and Donner Pass, below 8000 feet, stays open year-round except during snowstorms.)

    The Owens River Valley area and the Eastern Sierra are particularly interesting. From Yosemite, you exit via Tioga Pass Road, then drive south from Mono Lake (around 7000 ft), cross over Deadman Pass (around 8000), and slowly descend down to Bishop (around 4000 ft). Wend your way through Bishop and head south towards Big Pine and Lone Pine. Look to your right: the Sierras rise nearly 10,000 feet in just a few miles. Look to your left: the White Mountains do exactly the same thing.

    White Mountain peak was last measured as 14,246 ft, on the map I have right here. Mt Whitney is the highest point in the lower 48 states, at an official height of 14,494 ft. All of these mountains are rising, with the Whites rising faster than the Sierras. Soon (geologically anyway) White Mountain will be the highest point.

    All of these are only about 100 miles from the lowest point in the US: Badwater, in Death Valley, is at -282 ft. Death Valley itself is surrounded on all sides by 5000-foot high mountains. It really is an amazing place.

    I guess if West Virginia is the "mountain momma", California must be the "mountain poppa". :-)
  • torektorek Member Posts: 92
    If you go driving your AWD car on sand, you may need to let some air out of the tires. I would bet this can help in snow too -- basically, it give you more sidewall flex and more "edge bite" from the tires. Of course, as soon as you reach "firmer terra", you need to re-inflate the tires.

    Since the deserts out here are full of sandy soil, and I have been on one sand road already, I figured I should get one of these contraptions. I also got the tires rotated and rebalanced (I could feel that one was just a smidge off -- the guy at the tire shop was amazed that I could tell at all). The backs had been at 29 PSI and were now on the front. I cranked them up to 32 PSI and am going to try running 32/30 for a while, instead of 31/29.

    The one I got has a "universal" valve connector, so I am hoping it will work on the bike too, but have not tried that yet. It was $25 at Pep Boys -- not bad, for insurance.

    The cigarette lighter socket does indeed power down when the ignition is all the way off. You have to put in the key and go to "accessory" to run the compressor.

    Chris
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>If you go driving your AWD car on sand, you may
    need to let some air out of the tires. I would bet this can help in snow too -- <<

    I think that statement is incorrect. While you want to try and stay on top of sand, for obvious reasons, it is impossible to do so on snow. I remember reading that the best thing to do for snow is to keep the pressure up, so the tires can better cut down through the snow to where the traction is firmer. Of course once you get to 10 or more inches the point is moot I guess. Then you're plowing.

    >>The backs had been at 29 PSI and were now on the
    front. I cranked them up to 32 PSI and am going to try running 32/30 for a while, instead of 31/29.<<

    You wild man! Are you sure you want to go up an entire psi???? Seriously, I thought the recommended psi's were very low, and the tires are rated for 44psi max, so I'm riding 40psi in front, 38 rear. I know that will help the gas mileage some, make the ride a little harder, and shouldn't affect the wear in a negative way. I think the tires will wear faster with the lesser air pressure actually. Of course I don't have to worry about driving on sand.

    Dave
  • aling1aling1 Member Posts: 225
    Wow, that's very high air pressure that you have in your tires! The better fuel economy that you gain from having higher tire pressure is negligable, so I'd strongly suggest airing down to the recommended specs (by Subaru). The guys on Car Talk have also given the same advice on their radio show. Also, keep in mind that running different air pressures on the front and back tires may upset the handling of the vehicle. You should always try to keep all 4 tires at the same PSI all of the time.

    When driving in snow, a narrower tire helps since it excerts more PSI on the a smaller surface area, hence improving traction. You don't have to fill the tires up more in the winter. Just keep them at the recommended Subaru specs.

    When driving in sand, be careful NOT to air down the tires too much. You cannot really follow the traditional off-roading advice since these passenger car tires don't have a lot of air volume (unlike the large SUV tires) and their sidewalls are not designed to carry the load with reduced amounts of pressure. By airing down the tires, you will risk running the rim off the tire. Not a good thing, obviously. SUV/light truck tires can safely be aired down to 15 psi (provided you drive slowly and make slow movements) because they are large and have enough air volume inside to support the vehicle. The amount of air volume is the key, not PSI.

    Drew
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    If Dave's legacy came with H or V rated Bridgestone Potenza RE92's like my RS did (v rated), then he should try higher pressures to try and salvage some performance out of them on tarmac. The tire is just terrible though, and the sidewalls will fold no matter what pressure you run. Mine saw one autocross (early spring, hadn't removed them yet) and have some nice scuffs all the way to the the "B" in Bridgestone.

    Life of the tires won't be significantly altered unless you never corner hard. Otherwise the outside should still wear out first.

    -Colin
  • myforestermyforester Member Posts: 11
    miche4: I paid $24400 for my Forester. I have no idea how good or how bad a deal that was. it includes the Premium package and a bunch of other stuff they load these vehicles up with. Like the auto dimming mirror (kind of cool) automatic transmission, upgraded security and audio, all that kind of thing which some people don't care for. I was going for a fully loaded car and that seems to be what I got. I never paid that much for an automobile before, but needless to say I am very happy. Everybody has an Outback, but there's something about a Forester that grows on you. Or doesn't. You know what I mean.
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    Finally got my OB back after the replacement of the fuel injector. Everything's fine now, and I seriously missed the car. Took it for over an hour last night just enjoying the smooth ride. (I've been driving my MX-6 straight for 2 weeks, and while it's a speedy car, it's ride and noise sure can tire you out quick).

    I know this has probably been asked before, but has anyone actually installed the security upgrade on the 2000's themselves?

    thanks, ash
  • chingonchingon Member Posts: 5
    Actually the subaru would be good for more than just sand in hawaii. The big island has a ski resort on one of the mountains, so you could conceivably drive snowy mountain roads at the top of the mountain down to sandy beaches in just about an hour or so.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Drew,

    The recommended tire pressures by Subaru for the Forester are, in my opinion, too low. I believe it calls for 29/26 with a light load and 29/36 with a heavy load. I normally run 32/30 myself and found that this offers the best comprimise of ride and handling. I once tried using 29/26 and hated the way handling became sluggish and how the tires squealed at almost every corner.

    Dave,

    Wow, 40/38 does sound a tad high. I don't know about the Firestones but my Yokos max pressure is 44psi. I would be careful not to get too close to the max.


    Ken
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    Drew, you said to follow the Subaru specs, then said to keep the same pressure in all the tires. Gotcha! Subaru specifies higher pressure in the front tires than in the back on my 00 Legacy Wagon. (32psi front, 30psi rear, IAW the door sticker)

    Yes Colin, it came with the RE92s, H rated. I'm happy with how it's working out with the increased pressure, and plan to keep them there. It seems to be handling well, but I'm not a racer, and wouldn't notice if the tires were not up to racing caliber.

    Ken, I had 44psi tires on my Shadow ES and ran them at the pressure limit for years without a problem.

    Dave #274
  • soob2k01soob2k01 Member Posts: 6
    torek -

    Sounds like you travel the same roads we do. We were married at Lake Tahoe three years ago and every year we drive up the 395 around our anniversary. It is a beautiful and fascinating drive. Last year we took an RV and stopped at every historical marker and interesting site along the way. It took 2 weeks! I just got a Forester and have daydreamed about taking it on the long and winding dirt road to the Ancient Bristlecone Forest in the White Mountains. We took hubby's F-250 last year which did fine, but I'd love to run the Soob on that 11,000 foot elevation trek!
  • aling1aling1 Member Posts: 225
    OOps, I forgot that sometimes manufacturers stagger out the pressure between the front and rear wheels. Sorry about that...In any case, I still think that following the vehicle manufacturer's specs is better and safer. Doesn't Subaru specify maximum tire pressures (i.e. for carrying heavy loads)?

    The thing with running the tires above 40 psi is that you have to remember that the air in the tires does expand when it gets warmer. And the air can heat up very quickly once you're moving. If you're already running at such a high PSI with the tire limit at only 44psi, the chances are that when you're moving, your tires are already at, or exceeding the limit and you're risking blowing up the tire(s) if it gets hot enough. There's an even greater risk as the tires age and the sidewalls get weaker. Blowouts are definitely something that one should try to avoid, for obvious reasons.
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    FWIW, I have mine at 36f/34r on my OBS' BFG T/As. I noticed with the increased air, the car provides a more fun tail out attitude when I corner. I'll prolly end up putting 37/36 later....
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>the air can
    heat up very quickly once you're moving. If you're
    already running at such a high PSI with the tire
    limit at only 44psi, the chances are that when
    you're moving, your tires are already at, or
    exceeding the limit<<

    Very true. But if it says 44psi on the side of the tire, isn't that the max COLD pressure?

    Dave
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>But if it says 44psi on the side of
    the tire, isn't that the max COLD pressure?<<

    I was able to answer my own question.
    I went to the Tire Industry Safety Councel web site. They showed the sidewall pressure as the max cold pressure. The manufacturers obviously take into account that the pressure might increase above that as you drive. Makes sense to me.

    Dave
  • dry_flydry_fly Member Posts: 12
    To miche4:
    When I started I worked with the Subaru dealers in Corvallis (John & Phil's) and Albany (Mark Thomas) (OR). Going to both Carpoint and Autobytel increased the range to Portland (Thomason), The Dalles (Bob's), and Romania (Eugene). The stores in Portland and the Dalles seemed to act as if I wasn't aware of the invoice price of the 2001s. The other stores treated me OK. I ended up with the dealer in Corvallis which is nearer home. I only got a definite number from the folks in Corvallis and Albany. As it was the vehicle was shipped in from Thomason's with a sticker of over $28K (vs just over $22).

    To jagarland: re: http://www.wetokole.com/
    This is truly a fun site. Do you have their seat covers. Do their neoprene covers smell like my waders (yuck) and can their shampoo really get it smelling clean?

    Again thanks to all.
  • bg18947bg18947 Member Posts: 184
    You should really adjust your tire pressure according to load. I don't listen to my own advice. There have always been debates whether you should inflate to Car mfg specs or tire mfg specs max pressure. Car companies want you to get a certain ride, but tire companies want to let you know what the limits are. My 91 Accord had Michelin MXV3 which were rated for 44psi, I ran them as high as 40psi. The door recommended 29 on the Accord which was way too soft for me. I thought Bridgestone Potenza RE92s were rated at 35psi max aren't they? I'm running at 33 in front 32 at rear on my 2000 GT Ltd Sedan. I run 35 psi in my Wrangler GT/S on my 96 Blazer which felt just about right.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    An earlier thread suggested that the Subaru is particularly sensitive to variations in tyre pressure as it affects handling and tyre wear. I had been doubtful of this until I recently noted a jarring ride and excessive shock from the steering. On investigation, I found the fronts were running a few pounds too high and the ride has improved markedly since.

    One major factor that you need to think of is the accuracy or otherwise of the gauge that you are using. They are particularly sensitive to impact (being dropped) and if you have ever watched someone use them at a petrol station (gas station to you) you will realise that their gauges get dropped at least once per cycle of checking tyres. The gauges fitted to small 12v compressors (as I use at home) are also not very accurate. The best gauges are fairly expensive and delicate dial types and it can be salutory to find a good gauge, check the pressures on that and then try it against other gauges. Typical variations are about 5psi from true.

    I use a stick type gauge which is less accurate but also less prone to being dropped. Every so often, I do a cross comparison between two gauges and if possible, check them against the gauge at a tyre shop.

    Twenty plus years ago, tyre shops in Australia tended to recommend an increase of pressure by about 4psi for a saving in tyre wear. At that time, vehicle suspension systems were less sophisticated and this seemed to have minimal impact on ride quality. However, this is less common today as radial tyres are now almost universal and the actual volume of air in the tyre markedly less as profile sizes have reduced. The vehicle manufacturers recommendations on pressures are also much more accurate.

    I have found the Subaru recommendations for pressures fairly accurate both on the normal settings and the high speed, high load settings.

    Incidentally, it is worth finding out the difference between cold and hot pressures in your own car. Typically it can be about 4psi between dead cold and very hot, hard worked rubber. If you don't compensate on a long or hard drive when checking the pressures, it will mean underinflated and potentially dangerous tyres when you hit the school run on that cold Monday morning.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • aling1aling1 Member Posts: 225
    Thanks for your post, Graham. You echoed my thoughts almost perfectly.

    On another note, did anyone watch tonight's "World's Wildest Police Chases" on Fox? There was a high speed police chase involving a senior citizen suffering from Alzhiemer's. Unfortunately, he got really confused and drove his Ford Taurus (it was a '93-'95 model) onto the wrong side of the highway. Anyway, the police couldn't set up the road block in time and his car wacked into a red Subaru Forester that couldn't get out of the way in time. The Taurus then lost a front wheel and sideswiped a black Chevy Blazer.

    It was quite a severe offset collision because both vehicles were travelling at significant speed, after all, it was on the highway. Luckily, no one was injured in the accident and everyone walked out fine. Both the Taurus and Forester were probably totalled though. I should also mention that that Taurus did do well in the IIHS's offset crash tests, just as the Forester did. No doubt, that contributed significantly to the positive outcome of the situation. There was one thing that annoyed me though. The host of the show referred to the Forester as a minivan!! I guess it kind of looked like one from the angle that the video footage was taken.

    I'll post some screen captures later on...
    Drew
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    I decided to let out a little air. From the tires that is. I let them down to 38psi front, 36psi rear. It seemed to feel pretty good, a little smoother perhaps, but that could have been pychological. I'll leave them there for awhile and see how it goes.

    Dave
  • centavocentavo Member Posts: 24
    If you, like soob2k01, are interested in Subaru merchandise, check this page: http://www.subaru.co.nz/gear_frameset.html
    Is the New Zealand Subaru page, with lots of interesting information on the vehicles that will never be bring to the Americas.
  • soob2k01soob2k01 Member Posts: 6
    centavo-

    That page has some great stuff. Too bad it says:


    "All Subaru branded clothing and merchandise is available for inspection and purchase at your local Subaru Dealership."


    Maybe in New Zealand, not in LA! I wish there were a way to order some of those things. Do we have any Subaru Crew members in NZ???
  • drakeldrakel Member Posts: 1
    I spent the afternoon test driving Foresters at a
    local dealership. I've been following this board
    for a while, and am planning on getting a 2001 L.

    My question is:
    I was disappointed to find that the 2001 Forester
    rear seats do not recline like the previous models
    do. Though my wife and I would probably never use
    this feature ourselves, it is a neat and unique
    feature that I wanted in case we had passengers on
    a long road trip.

    Does anyone have opinions on if I will actually
    miss this feature. In other words, do those of you
    who have 2000 and earlier use this capability
    much?

    Why did they remove the ability to lay the seats
    back?

    Any comments would be appreciated as I make final
    decisions as which year and features to get.

    Thanks
  • jamespowerjamespower Member Posts: 42
    We have the Subaru dog guard in our 2000 Forester which attaches in the same place as the cargo cover and stops the seats from reclining.

    It is a nice feature that 2001+ owners (or rather their friends) may miss on long trips - it makes up for the slightly cramped rear seat. Notice how economy airline seats are more bearable when you recline.

    JP
  • aldavealdave Member Posts: 11
    Picked up our new 2001 Sierra Gold Forester yesterday! I remember reading how to remove the cover underneath to change the oil and filter, but can't remember the details. Also, any comments on the full front end cover? Lots of bugs here in N. Alabama.
    Dave
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I think the new 60/40 split rear seat is a better setup than the old 55/45 split of the old (relining) seats. Here's why:

    1.
    With the old reclining seats there was an uncomfortable (extra) split near the outside edge of the seats (to allow for clearance of the rear suspension strut towers), so that the seats could recline. That no longer is the case with the new seats.

    With the old setup, and when the seats were in a reclined position, that (fixed) outside edge was "very" uncomfortable. It forced you to move towards the center of the seat, making three-across seating impossible.

    2.
    In order for Subaru to install the third (middle) rear headrest, they had to adjust the seat split from 55/45 to 60/40.

    3.
    My understanding is that Subaru is redesigning the (optional) rear cargo/dog guard for the new Forester. This redesign was necessary because a new middle lap/shoulder belt, (replacing the middle lap-only belt) which is anchored on the rear of the roof, wouldn't work with the existing cargo/dog guard. When will we see it? Who knows?

    Bob
  • buchignanibuchignani Member Posts: 30
    Has anyone yet heard of that the 2001 Forester invoice/dealer prices are going to be for the S and S-Limited? Is there a dealer holdback?

    Anyone go a firm, out the door price on a 2001 S-Limited?

    p.s. I've only actually seen one 2001 at the dealers: seems they are almost all bottled up at the port.

    Norman
  • soob2k01soob2k01 Member Posts: 6
    I found another site offering Subaru gear. Has anyone heard of BPM? There is not much info about the company at the site. The prices are quite high so I'm not even sure it's in USD.

    http://www.bpmsports.com/bpmstore/prod2.htm
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I've actually had a chance to sit in the back seat of my friends Forester on a 3-hour trip. The reclining feature does make it a lot more comfortable. However, under everyday driving, the seats usually stay in the normal position.

    In general, I think Subaru made the right choice by sacrificing the reclining feature for more overall comfort. My guess is that the rear multi-link suspension on the Legacies will eventually find their way into the Foresters and the rear seats will recline once more -- except this time the entire seat will recline.
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