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abacomike · August 2018

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:0

That black Chrysler 300 that flipped over on its side after hitting the palm tree yesterday was an accident waiting to happen, according to what one of my neighbors told me this morning.

He works for the city - water and sewer dept. - and spoke with someone who saw the preliminary report yesterday afternoon. The driver was texting and was late for work as an assisted living aide. I was lucky she made that turn in front of me instead of veering into my lane and hitting me. Her car jumped the curb and hit the palm tree at an estimated speed of 30 mph. There were no skid marks anywhere near the accident - no attempt was made to brake prior to the collision.

Now if her car had been equipped with an accident avoidance system like the new cars on the road, the collision could have been avoided.

I think they may have to replace that Royal palm tree because of the significant damage done to its lower trunk. Palm trees have very shallow root systems and damage like that could kill the tree. The tree has to be about 25 years old - very large trunk and quite tall.

Lack of skid marks does not mean no braking was done it just means the brakes didn't lock up. People stop cars all the time and don't leave skid marks.

I was referring to the grass parkway in front of the tree. She traveled about 150 feet on the grass - grass was not chewed up - just left a shallow indentation where the car drove over. In order for a car to end up on its left side, it had to hit that tree very hard on the right front. The brunt of the collision was directly on the right front grille - not side-swiped.

Miraculous that she was not injured.

nyccarguy · August 2018

qbrozen said:

ENJOY!

nyccarguy · August 2018

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:0

That black Chrysler 300 that flipped over on its side after hitting the palm tree yesterday was an accident waiting to happen, according to what one of my neighbors told me this morning.

He works for the city - water and sewer dept. - and spoke with someone who saw the preliminary report yesterday afternoon. The driver was texting and was late for work as an assisted living aide. I was lucky she made that turn in front of me instead of veering into my lane and hitting me. Her car jumped the curb and hit the palm tree at an estimated speed of 30 mph. There were no skid marks anywhere near the accident - no attempt was made to brake prior to the collision.

Now if her car had been equipped with an accident avoidance system like the new cars on the road, the collision could have been avoided.

I think they may have to replace that Royal palm tree because of the significant damage done to its lower trunk. Palm trees have very shallow root systems and damage like that could kill the tree. The tree has to be about 25 years old - very large trunk and quite tall.

Lack of skid marks does not mean no braking was done it just means the brakes didn't lock up. People stop cars all the time and don't leave skid marks.

There might have not been skid marks on the pavement, but I'm sure there were skid marks elsewhere in the vehicle!

snakeweasel · August 2018

driver100 said:

I just chose some of these facts to reprint. Life in the USA about 100 years ago: *The average life expectancy for men was 47 years.* *Fuel for cars was sold in drug stores only.* *Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.* *Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.* *There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.* *The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.* I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULDN'T BE HAPPY *The average US wage in 1910 was 22 cents per hour.* *The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.* *A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year,* *A dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 peryear.* *More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.* *Ninety percent of all Doctors** had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION!* *Instead, they attended so-called medical schools,* *Many of which were condemned in the press AND the government assubstandard.'* *Sugar cost four cents a pound.* *Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.* *Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.* *The five leading causes of death were:* *1. Pneumonia and influenza* *2, Tuberculosis* *3. Diarrhea* *4. Heart disease* *5. Stroke* *The population of Las Vegas Nevada was only 30!* *Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented yet* *Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write and only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. *There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A. !*

I really have to question these figures. Ford produced over 14,000 model Ts in 1909 so there had to be more than 8,000 cars on the road.

in 1910 the homicide rate was 4.6 per 100,000 so 230 murders would equate to a population of 5 million. However the population was over 92 million then which would mean well over 4 thousand murders.

abacomike · August 2018

I took some photos of the palm tree and grass parkway - don’t know if these can help determine anything.

abacomike · August 2018

On the last photo, using a close up, it seems the right front end “climbed” the lower trunk of the tree and that caused it to flip on its side.

driver100 · August 2018

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

I just chose some of these facts to reprint. Life in the USA about 100 years ago:
*The average life expectancy for men was 47 years.*
*Fuel for cars was sold in drug stores only.*
*Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.*
*Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.*
*There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.*
*The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.* I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULDN'T BE HAPPY
*The average US wage in 1910 was 22 cents per hour.*
*The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.*
*A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year,*
*A dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 peryear.*
*More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.*
*Ninety percent of all Doctors** had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION!* *Instead, they
attended so-called medical schools,*
*Many of which were condemned in the press AND the government assubstandard.'*
*Sugar cost four cents a pound.*
*Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.*
*Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.*
*The five leading causes of death were:* *1. Pneumonia and influenza* *2, Tuberculosis* *3. Diarrhea* *4. Heart disease* *5. Stroke*
*The population of Las Vegas Nevada was only 30!*
*Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented yet*
*Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write and only 6 percent of all
Americans had graduated from high school.
*There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A. !*

I really have to question these figures. Ford produced over 14,000 model Ts in 1909 so there had to be more than 8,000 cars on the road.

in 1910 the homicide rate was 4.6 per 100,000 so 230 murders would equate to a population of 5 million. However the population was over 92 million then which would mean well over 4 thousand murders

.

OK, so 2 wrong out of 20! What am I, a walking encyclopedia? Just read - don't question, takes all the fun out of it

driver100 · August 2018

abacomike said:
On the last photo, using a close up, it seems the right front end “climbed” the lower trunk of the tree and that caused it to flip on its side.

I think it shows we have 5 pictures of the same tree....with the same marks. Oh yeh, and do you guys have yellow fire hydrants? We have red....the last time I remember seeing one.

Seriously, my guess is, car hit tree which raised the right side....kind of scraped upward, and that flipped the car over. People have no idea how far you can travel in 5 seconds - when distracted!

28firefighter · August 2018

nyccarguy said:

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:0

That black Chrysler 300 that flipped over on its side after hitting the palm tree yesterday was an accident waiting to happen, according to what one of my neighbors told me this morning.

He works for the city - water and sewer dept. - and spoke with someone who saw the preliminary report yesterday afternoon. The driver was texting and was late for work as an assisted living aide. I was lucky she made that turn in front of me instead of veering into my lane and hitting me. Her car jumped the curb and hit the palm tree at an estimated speed of 30 mph. There were no skid marks anywhere near the accident - no attempt was made to brake prior to the collision.

Now if her car had been equipped with an accident avoidance system like the new cars on the road, the collision could have been avoided.

I think they may have to replace that Royal palm tree because of the significant damage done to its lower trunk. Palm trees have very shallow root systems and damage like that could kill the tree. The tree has to be about 25 years old - very large trunk and quite tall.

Lack of skid marks does not mean no braking was done it just means the brakes didn't lock up. People stop cars all the time and don't leave skid marks.

There might have not been skid marks on the pavement, but I'm sure there were skid marks elsewhere in the vehicle!

You're on a roll today lol

snakeweasel · August 2018

driver100 said:

driver100 said:

I just chose some of these facts to reprint. Life in the USA about 100 years ago: *The average life expectancy for men was 47 years.* *Fuel for cars was sold in drug stores only.* *Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.* *Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.* *There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.* *The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.* I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULDN'T BE HAPPY *The average US wage in 1910 was 22 cents per hour.* *The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.* *A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year,* *A dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 peryear.* *More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.* *Ninety percent of all Doctors** had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION!* *Instead, they attended so-called medical schools,* *Many of which were condemned in the press AND the government assubstandard.'* *Sugar cost four cents a pound.* *Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.* *Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.* *The five leading causes of death were:* *1. Pneumonia and influenza* *2, Tuberculosis* *3. Diarrhea* *4. Heart disease* *5. Stroke* *The population of Las Vegas Nevada was only 30!* *Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented yet* *Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write and only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. *There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A. !*

I really have to question these figures. Ford produced over 14,000 model Ts in 1909 so there had to be more than 8,000 cars on the road.

in 1910 the homicide rate was 4.6 per 100,000 so 230 murders would equate to a population of 5 million. However the population was over 92 million then which would mean well over 4 thousand murders
.
OK, so 2 wrong out of 20! What am I, a walking encyclopedia? Just read - don't question, takes all the fun out of it

Well 2 that I knew of off hand, would need to research others. It's just when even two are so blatantly wrong it calls into question the rest.

Now I am pretty sure ice rea predates the automobile. but I would have to look it up. So maybe 3 things.

But on the other hand it's on the internet so it must be true.

iluvmysephia1 · August 2018

abacomike, it sounds like she relied on her airbags to deploy. They must have in this case to help save her. Texting, late and... driving!

abacomike · August 2018

driver100 said:

On the last photo, using a close up, it seems the right front end “climbed” the lower trunk of the tree and that caused it to flip on its side.
I think it shows we have 5 pictures of the same tree....with the same marks. Oh yeh, and do you guys have yellow fire hydrants? We have red....the last time I remember seeing one. Seriously, my guess is, car hit tree which raised the right side....kind of scraped upward, and that flipped the car over. People have no idea how far you can travel in 5 seconds - when distracted!

Yes, our fire hydrants are yellow because they are easier to see at night. I don’t remember seeing a red fire hydrant in South Florida since I moved here in 2000. But my guess is that they exist somewhere down here - just don’t know where.

fintail · August 2018

I think the 8000 cars bit corresponds to roughly the year 1900.

stickguy · August 2018

That is an old list. I’ve seen it before. So could be 1900

snakeweasel · August 2018

fintail said:

I think the 8000 cars bit corresponds to roughly the year 1900.

There is a reference in the list to 1910 so logically the list should relate to about that time frame.

Mr_Shiftright · August 2018

Population of Las Vegas in 1910 was 800, according to the census.

fintail · August 2018

Unless the list is made up of data from random sources and points in time, and the cars bit was just dropped in. Lists defy logic.

snakeweasel said:

There is a reference in the list to 1910 so logically the list should relate to about that time frame.

tjc78 · August 2018

qbrozen said:

Enjoy! Wave to Stick and I on the way down. Watch your speed on RT55. They like to hide along there.

snakeweasel · August 2018

fintail said:

Unless the list is made up of data from random sources and points in time, and the cars bit was just dropped in. Lists defy logic.
There is a reference in the list to 1910 so logically the list should relate to about that time frame.

It is customary for a list that includes things from different points in time to list when a time reference changes. Otherwise its presumed that the time frame is consistant. Otherwise the list won't make sense.

ab348 · August 2018

snakeweasel said:

Wouldn't mind juleps be a bit out of place in Colonial Williamsburg?

No idea. They seemed a regular thing at the place we were eating within the "colony". Our server told us as she was bringing another round that the chef had cooked up a batch of fresh spearmint syrup that morning to use in making them and the smell while that was underway was wonderful. They really were good and normally I don't even like spearmint. Of course I was with a group from Sazerac Distillery and they were using one of their really good bourbons so that might have had something to do with it.

snakeweasel · August 2018

ab348 said:

Wouldn't mind juleps be a bit out of place in Colonial Williamsburg?
No idea. They seemed a regular thing at the place we were eating within the "colony". Our server told us as she was bringing another round that the chef had cooked up a batch of fresh spearmint syrup that morning to use in making them and the smell while that was underway was wonderful. They really were good and normally I don't even like spearmint. Of course I was with a group from Sazerac Distillery and they were using one of their really good bourbons so that might have had something to do with it.

IIRC the mint julep as a drink didnt come to be until sometime after the revolution. I think the earliest mention of it was sometime in the first decade of the 19th century so it has to predate that but not by much.

fintail · August 2018

This isn't an academic list, it is unsourced anecdotes from the internet. Indeed, it doesn't make sense.

Are you this much weird games of devils advocate or pedantry?

snakeweasel said:

It is customary for a list that includes things from different points in time to list when a time reference changes. Otherwise its presumed that the time frame is consistant. Otherwise the list won't make sense.

driver100 · August 2018

I did some research....500000 cars in 1910, not 4000
Population of Las Vegas was 800, not 30.
Murder rate was probably 4000, not 230, but it did say REPORTED murders.
Figures are a bit out....but, it does give the general idea....things have changed, AND, don't believe what you read on the internet (as many pointed out, including Abe)

suydam · August 2018

Of course things have changed. That’s how life works.

snakeweasel · August 2018

suydam said:

Of course things have changed. That’s how life works.

Yeah but we don't need that list, just look at how it changed in our lifetime.

PF_Flyer · August 2018

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
On the last photo, using a close up, it seems the right front end “climbed” the lower trunk of the tree and that caused it to flip on its side.
I think it shows we have 5 pictures of the same tree....with the same marks. Oh yeh, and do you guys have yellow fire hydrants? We have red....the last time I remember seeing one.

Seriously, my guess is, car hit tree which raised the right side....kind of scraped upward, and that flipped the car over. People have no idea how far you can travel in 5 seconds - when distracted!

Our hydrants have been yellow with blue hats for quite some time. Feels like the result of a study on visibility

driver100 · August 2018

Well, have to rely on the internet again, so I take no responsibility;
National Fire Protection Agency, commonly known as the NFPA set up NFPA code 291. This code gives guidelines pertaining to fire hydrants. The guidelines recommended are as follows, below 500GPM should be painted red, 500-999 GPM should be painted orange, 1000-1499 GPM should be painted green, and 1500 GPM or more should be painted blue. The guidelines primarily talk about the top of the hydrants and suggest painting the bottom of the hydrants yellow.

Hydrant Class
Color
(GPM) Gallons Per Minute
Class AA
Blue
1500 or more
Class A
Green
1000-1499
Class B
Orange
500-999
Class C
Red
Less than 500

I think Yellow is recommended, but some places still use red.
And, If the hydrant is not hooked to a public water system, but instead is accessing a private system (as in the case of a shared well by several houses in a specific neighborhood) the hydrant should be painted a color distinguishing it from a publicly supplied system. NFPA recommends red

ab348 · August 2018

I have a hydrant right in front of my house (you'd think that would give a bit of a reduction on home insurance, but noooooo) and it is red, like all the other hydrants here in town. So I guess they do not follow the NFPA code.

I remember when I was a kid most of the hydrants here were yellow. I recall when visiting the USA seeing ones that were painted red, white and blue that looked quite patriotic.

ab348 · August 2018

Speaking of water, my Moen kitchen faucet developed an annoying drip a few weeks ago. I remembered that Moen touts a lifetime warranty so I dug out some old paperwork and amazingly found the documents that came with it along with the sales slip from 2002. I called Moen, they were very helpful, and sent out a repair kit for it. I decided to try to install it today.

Taking it apart was easy enough. That was about all the instructions that came with the parts were good for. The lady I spoke to at Moen when getting the parts sent said that she would email me a better set of instructions, which she did, and they were much better but still not 100% clear on a few points. Thankfully there are many YouTube videos on the topic and a couple of them were the most useful. Eventually after a couple of puzzlers I got it all back together and was happy that it seemed to work well with no leaks.

About an hour or so later I went to use the faucet and discovered that the cold side was now hot and vice versa. Nowhere in any of the things I read or watched did this get mentioned and there was nothing marked on the new cartridge to indicate what was what. Another web search revealed it is a common issue and thankfully an easy 5-minute fix. God forbid that any of the instructions mention that fact though!

Mr_Shiftright · August 2018

Well be grateful you didn't do that to your toilet.

abacomike · August 2018

The State of Florida is under a “state of emergency” due to the ever-increasing expansion of something they call “red algae”!

Last year, it was prevalent on the east coast in Palm Beach County. It is caused by the Water Management District releasing millions of gallons of water from Lake Okeechobee to rivers that empty into the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Many blame the sugarcane industry because this algae is nourished by fertilizer used to grow the sugarcane. When it rains heavily, like it does during our rainy season (July through October), run-off water from soil rich in nitrates - especially sugarcane farms - flows in streams and tributaries into Lake Okeechobee. When the water level reaches its maximum in the lake, it must be lowered so as not to flood the Everglades and other adjacent acreage.

Right now, it is heaviest in the Tampa-St. Pete area and south to Sarasota. The algae is red/peach in color and gives off a horrible stench. It also kills aquatic life. Millions of pounds of fish have washed up on the beaches on the west coast.

It seems that this red algae does something to the food fish eat and oxygenation of the water. I have never seen it firsthand down here but it is causing havoc on the west coast.

graphicguy · August 2018

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a22735503/a-used-bmw-i8-is-the-supercar-for-everyone/

driver100 · August 2018

ab348 said:
I have a hydrant right in front of my house (you'd think that would give a bit of a reduction on home insurance, but noooooo) and it is red, like all the other hydrants here in town. So I guess they do not follow the NFPA code.

I remember when I was a kid most of the hydrants here were yellow. I recall when visiting the USA seeing ones that were painted red, white and blue that looked quite patriotic.

I think we use red in Canada so you can find the fire hydrant when there is snow around.

nyccarguy · August 2018

Update on my deck. Things weren’t as bad as I imagined. Quick review. I have to leave a full 25’ between the wetlands. This is called the “review area.” So the new deck that was proposed was 16’ x 24’. At those dimensions, the right corner of the deck was going to be sitting at 25’ 4” from the wetlands. So instead of arguing over 4”, my contractor came up with the idea to make the deck 15’ x 25’ and moving it to the left so the “review area” will be completely clear.

He said, this is why people have work done without permits. The city breaks chops just to break chops and make people spend money.

Things are in motion once again!

sda · August 2018

nyccarguy said:
Update on my deck. Things weren’t as bad as I imagined. Quick review. I have to leave a full 25’ between the wetlands. This is called the “review area.” So the new deck that was proposed was 16’ x 24’. At those dimensions, the right corner of the deck was going to be sitting at 25’ 4” from the wetlands. So instead of arguing over 4”, my contractor came up with the idea to make the deck 15’ x 25’ and moving it to the left so the “review area” will be completely clear.

He said, this is why people have work done without permits. The city breaks chops just to break chops and make people spend money.

Things are in motion once again!

Whew, that was a nerve wracking process! Are you going to use pressured wood decking or something man made/synthetic? Dad spent $$$ for Trex about 10 years ago and though it

has been fairly maintenance free
it has faded and the railings are sagging. Perhaps the railings should be of different material? Just something to to think about so you won't be disappointed. This was taken after I pressure washed it, if you look closely you can see the railing sagging.

driver100 · August 2018

nyccarguy said:
Update on my deck. Things weren’t as bad as I imagined. Quick review. I have to leave a full 25’ between the wetlands. This is called the “review area.” So the new deck that was proposed was 16’ x 24’. At those dimensions, the right corner of the deck was going to be sitting at 25’ 4” from the wetlands. So instead of arguing over 4”, my contractor came up with the idea to make the deck 15’ x 25’ and moving it to the left so the “review area” will be completely clear.

He said, this is why people have work done without permits. The city breaks chops just to break chops and make people spend money.

Things are in motion once again!

Like I say in business......for every problem - there is a solution. The guy who figures out the solution wins, this guy figured out a solution.

We got estimates for when we did our deck....ended up costing close to $5000, Geeze, could have bought a used car. One company had what seemed to be a lower price, but had extras, like stainless steel screws. The second bidder gave us one price, slightly higher overall, but, they didn't insult us by even making stainless steel screws an option. We liked their more up front honest way of doing business, and they did a great job. The other thing was they had ideas, and they knew what we were trying to do.....so they could sense what we were trying to do....makes a big difference.

stickguy · August 2018

I am like that too now. If I find someone reliable and that I am comfortable with, and trust to do the job right, I am happy to give them the work and pay a little extra for it. As long as it is not a silly amount extra!

getting multiple estimates for some of these projects is just mentally draining.

snakeweasel · August 2018

nyccarguy said:

Update on my deck. Things weren’t as bad as I imagined. Quick review. I have to leave a full 25’ between the wetlands. This is called the “review area.” So the new deck that was proposed was 16’ x 24’. At those dimensions, the right corner of the deck was going to be sitting at 25’ 4” from the wetlands. So instead of arguing over 4”, my contractor came up with the idea to make the deck 15’ x 25’ and moving it to the left so the “review area” will be completely clear.

He said, this is why people have work done without permits. The city breaks chops just to break chops and make people spend money.

Things are in motion once again!

Our town is notorious for requiring permits. We had some company give us an estimate for finishing the basement and they told us our town is only one of two where they would actually get permits before starting any work.

One of my neighbors finished their basement themselves without getting any permits. When they went to sell the house they tried to get the transfer stamps for the sale the town saw "finished basement" on the paperwork and reviewed all the permits for the house and couldn't find one for the basement. So the town refused to allow the sale until a permit was issued and the basement inspected.

graphicguy · August 2018

Not to derail these discussions back to the “Edmunds Forums Transition”, but am I to understand we must sign in each and every time even though we’re “Insiders”?

stickguy · August 2018

Nope. Mine remembers me. Haven’t logged in since day 1. Like the transition never happened.

snakeweasel · August 2018

graphicguy said:

Not to derail these discussions back to the “Edmunds Forums Transition”, but am I to understand we must sign in each and every time even though we’re “Insiders”?

I think that as long as you don't log out or clear out any cookies you shouldn't have to log back in. At least that's my experience.

stickguy · August 2018

I don’t log out. Just close the window, forums stays logged in.

imidazol97 · August 2018

Mine works just like it used to work. I can shut down both computers and turn them back on and Chrome does an automatic login to my Forums. The login box is on the right.

If I do a cookie/malware removal with Cleanup! and CCleaner, then when I restart the login on the right says "Howdy Pardner" and I click to login. That brings up the Insider menu and I click at the very bottom to login. My sign in boxes there are autofilled as soon as I click into the user name box. I click log in and I'm into forums.

A couple times, I've had a log in box on the left appear, the way it used to be for doing a log in for the old forums. When that appears as an automatic attempt, I input URL forums.edmunds.com, removing the extended stuff that was there, do the Insider log on and it's done.

Think that old log in attempt occurs after cleaning and when I type "forums." into the URL. The URL pops up with a lot of pervious log in choices and out of habit I just hit enter. The one that was up first tries to log into the old forums page with the log in box on the left.

###############

I wish I didn't have to use my cookie cleaners to clear out the limits on reading articles from local "news"-papers like the Columbus and Cincinnati papers. I'd never have to bother logging back in.

There were a couple of odd happenings the first couple days in the changeover. I once got a gray box instead of the Insider log in box.

pensfan83 · August 2018

Over the years I've read stories in the local papers of entrepreneurs who want to open restaurants, tap rooms, and other businesses within the city limits and find the process so aggravating, time consuming, and expensive as it relates to permits and all the hoops they have to jump through just to do a build out some simply give up and find a place in the suburbs that welcomes them with arms. It's all a money grab in the end.

graphicguy · August 2018

OK....clearly I’m doing something wrong, then!

Thx!

bwia · August 2018

The 2019 Hyundai Azera - A Perfect Sedan, no? But will it be available in the US?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik_FqC2B-Tk

abacomike · August 2018

stickguy said:

Nope. Mine remembers me. Haven’t logged in since day 1. Like the transition never happened.

Ditto!

berri · August 2018

PF - those fire hydrants; lotta Swede's in your town

I still find getting into the forums is an erratic process. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

ab348 · August 2018

bwia said:
The 2019 Hyundai Azera - A Perfect Sedan, no?

I think that's the first time anyone applied that adjective to an Azera.

fintail · August 2018

They got the "no" part right anyway. The weird design of the infotainment screen is enough for me.

ab348 said:

I think that's the first time anyone applied that adjective to an Azera.

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