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  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Exclusive first drive: Rex rated, hosted on drive.com.au, first published in the Sydney Morning Herald Friday, August 25, 2000. The design will be the basis of next year's WRC entry. Also WRX video.

    .. WRX's chief engineer, Takeshi Ito: "The current WRX was eight years old and starting to look it. Our Impreza needed a fresh new look, something to take it into the 21st century."

    What may surprise WRX enthusiasts is that Subaru had decided very early to give the new model round lights. Contrary to reports in specialist magazines, there was no internal debate about the new look. Consensus inside Fuji Heavy was "round is in".


    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • abhidharmaabhidharma Member Posts: 93
    Of course it is.

    Do you think most other companies simply think of gay/lesbians as "just another niche group?" I really doubt it, or more of them would have targetted them.


    Oh, and Bob (re: the "OutBUTCH"), apparently Subarus are being called "Lesburus".

    Randy
  • barresa11barresa11 Member Posts: 277
    You're absolutely right on! Also, my OB Ltd has been called the perfect lesbian car by more than one person (actually much more), including my lesbian neighbors. Funny thing though, they drive a 01' Explorer Sport and a 91'full size Bronco...hmmmmm!
    BTW, I hope nobody thinks that the advertising slogan from Subaru: It's Not A Choice, It's The Way We're Built, is accidental.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Leif- I just checked Edmunds and only the MY 00 Legacys are listed. This obviously makes a lot more sense. Perhaps Edmunds caught their mistake?

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I just got this from today's ST-I Mailing List:

    >>Subject: Very Interesting News

    I stopped at the Soob dealer Monday evening for some routine maintenance,
    and I was able to get some interesting news from the National Dealer
    Advisory Board Meeting (copy of page 7 of the minutes, dated 5/24-5/25/00).

    Here is some news on the next gen Impreza AND the Legacy GT:

    "2002 Model Year Impreza: Mr. Ishido and Mr. Hara revealed the ten model
    codes for 2002 Impreza. They noted the WRX model would include a 2.0L turbo
    with an approximate horsepower of 225-230. Mr. Hara noted that the WRX has
    no US competitive models that compete in World Rallies. March of 2001 is
    the target launch date of the WRX."

    And, on the Legacy GT: "Mr. Hara mentioned that there are possibilities to
    enhance the 2002 GT with VTD, 17" wheels, and sport shift until we get the
    performance engine. Mr. Adcock stated that the success of the GT is so
    dependent on its engine that we must be careful about modifying the existing
    car until we are able to have a true performance engine in the 2005 model
    year."

    Overall, looks like good news on the HP for the Impreza--of course we all
    want the 280+hp, but I'll take the 225-230 as a start. Plus the news on the
    Legacy GT is interesting.

    Just thought I'd pass that along to everyone!<<

    If you recall, a few posts back (FACT or RUMOR) I predicted that Subaru may be moving towards a 5-year model cycle. That may in fact be true if the above info is accurate. I can't see Subaru offering a new "performance engine" in 2005 in the current Legacy. I can see it going into a "new-generation" Legacy about that time.

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    "Mr.Hara noted that the WRX hasno US competitive models that compete in World Rallies. March of 2001 is the target launch date of the WRX."

    Not quite right. The Impreza 2.5RS is well-suited for Production GT (PGT), in fact Patrick Richard of Vancouver, B.C. is leading the SCCA ProRally championship and the Canadien championship in that class. There's nothing competitive in the Open or Group N classes, true. People import the WRX whole or in parts for that, and there are ever more Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions being brought in too.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Dry in Seattle? It happens, I guess.

    A friend of mine is getting married and moving out there soon. Guess what she wants? New Outback, please!

    Leif: that is strange. Maybe dealers were accepting deposits?

    Edmunds does that all the time - one review for an entire line, and often parts of it are not relevant to a specific model. They're always hard on Subaru, at least compared to every other mag I read.

    If the WRX gets 230hp, and it's a hit, perhaps Ford and Mitsu would bring special editions of the Focus and Lancer (Mirage here).

    GT more power for 2005? What's the hold up? Why not 2002? Use the same engine in the WRX, 230hp and emissions legal!

    -juice
  • lergeson1lergeson1 Member Posts: 15
    I think Edmunds must have found something in error too on the Subaru lease options (it was under the Regional Incentives, Rebates and Leases heading). Now the link doesn't work at all! Oh well. I just found it strange.
    -Leif
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    As much as I would like to consider a turbo, I don't think it will be in the cards $wise. Retail is starting to take the stuffing out of me, and I am seriously thinking of bailing out after this holiday season. Things could be lean while I get re-oriented; Oh well, at least I will get my weekends back.

    NEways, the wife's Explorer is starting to suck in new and interesting ways: Failing tranny, failing exhaust (number 3, BTW), dead radio, dead A/C, 5-10 degrees dead spot steering both directions,.... zero rust, though. Oh, and I smacked it good in 1998-was cut off by another Explorer (who got a ticket for crossing ni front of on coming traffic). I am tempted to wait for a new Impreza, assuming she likes them. She really wants a PT, but they are turning out to be the boits-du-merde we knew they would be. But we don't know when the non-turbo new Impreza will go on sale, do we? And given our potential financial situation, maybe we should jump on a closeout '01 when the time comes. Or, maybe just drive the trusty ol' Explorer into the pavement.... decisions, decisions..
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Hey guys,

    have a look at the new facelift Passat. What do you think? Looks a lot better than the current version, IMHO. Also, it seems that the Passat will have HID Xenon headlamps, at least as an option. I think Subaru had better consider adding these (and very soon) as well if they're to compete in the near luxury segment. The Infiniti I30t and Acura 3.2TL already have them. Patti, I hope you can pass this onto your product planning department.

    http://www.vwvortex.com/resources/gallery/vw/01_passat/index.html

    Drew
  • j_walkerj_walker Member Posts: 99
    It certainly looks interesting. I think I'll see what other new changes are in store for this model.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    PT Cruiser: cute Neon minivan built in Mexico.

    Enough said. ;)

    They're calling the current models 2001s, so by law the 2002 cannot come out until January 1, 2001. Unless they get quirky (for Subaru, naaaah) and call it a 2001.5, but I doubt it.

    Remember, though, the 2.5l engine will be made standard, so even the L wagon will perform like the current RS.

    The Passat looks like they just moved the grille downward. The result is more Audi-like, how are they going to distinguish Audis?

    What they really need is an updated VR6 engine to replace the lame-duck V6 in there now. Plus a beefed up structure so it can tow at least something.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I agree with Juice's comments. Especially regarding towing. I find it hard to believe VW warns against "any" towing with the Passat.

    Bob
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Lucien, you're being sarcastic, aren't you? It sounds like your Exlporer let you down in almost every department. If the best feature of your car is zero rust... 'nuff said.

    Kate, the former [VERY] unhappy Escort owner
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My dad had his old Taurus wagon shipped back from Belize, plates and all!

    So it joins his fleet, along with the Outback.

    Check engine light just went on, and he's missing a wheel cover. I told him he should have just sold it!

    At least Darlene sells Ford parts too, so he can get one cheap.

    In fairness, though, it's been fairly reliable, and the gas in Central America is simply not up to par, so that could have caused the light to go on.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Speaking of Darlene, I have noticed 2 other Subaru parts resellers are starting to sell a WIDE array of STi parts-- aluminum trunk lids, factory 17" wheels, 4 piston calipers... the list goes on and on.

    I presume Darlene is going to be selling these too with her usual excellent prices and service?

    Now I'm REALLY not selling my '99RS!

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Drew,

    Saw that on the Vortex website too. I like the way it looks. I thought the previous design was a little too plain, especially after the New Jetta came out. I don't know about the tailights, however.

    I believe Audi is going to restyle their products.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    More Firestone stuff:

    This is the second or third news release that I've seen, that is questioning the survival of the "Firestone" name. A lot of companies are worried that having any Firestone tire on their vehicles may "poison" them in the eyes of the consumer. Subaru is among those brands that are waiting to see how this plays out. They've, according to this article, left the door open to possibly switching tires and/or tire brands in the future.

    Bob

    http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000830/n30383151.html
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Colin - I'll ask her. 4 pot brakes? Sweet...

    Audi is going towards the A6 look. I've seen photos of the next A4, and it looks like a small A6. But so does the Passat...go figure.

    Bridgestone owns Firestone, so they could just change the names to Bridgestone.

    Still, do you really put the blame on Firestone? Ford purposely told people to under-inflate their tires to avoid rollovers, when they really should have changed the design (wider track or something).

    -juice
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Yes, I also think the current model is rather plain. There has to be some chrome!

    The front end does look A6-ish, but the rear taillamps are...interesting. Sort of Lexus IS300-ish. Perhaps we'll get used to it as it grows on us. FWIW, I hated the E-class's four-eyed look when it first came out for MY1996, but now, I own one of the cars :-)

    Juice, I think you mean VW, right? ;-)

    Drew
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Actually it was quite reliable up until 100K. Only in the last 18 months has all this stuff started going on. Never a peep out of the engine, uses zero oil.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    There's enough blame to be shared by all. I do think, by far, Firestone gets most of it. I understand Ford may be involved with yet another recall, involving an ignition module on a number of their cars.

    Bridgestone could also feel the domino effect of this recall, since they own Firestone. I do think the "Wilderness" name will disappear for sure.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yup. VW, Audi, same thing, I use them interchangeably!

    I'm sure you know the TT uses VW's AWD system but calls it Quattro, and the Passat uses Audi Quattro but calls in 4Motion. Funny, no?

    I still think the Passat needs more torque and softer leather seats. I prefer my dad's Outback Limited automatic over the Passat V6 FWD auto I drove at Edmunds Live, without question.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Quattro and 4Motion aren't necessarily the same thing.

    4Motion absolutely signifies the existence of the haldex AWD system, and quattro could mean haldex or a simple torsen center differential. Go here to read about the haldex system if you're a techie:
    http://www.haldex-traction.com

    In that respect quattro is like Subaru's AWD. Some models have a simple viscous coupling center diff, some have a sophisticated computer-controlled clutch pack.

    -Colin
  • barresa11barresa11 Member Posts: 277
    What are your impressions of the two, after driving the Passat V6 FWD and your dad's 01' OB Ltd H4 auto? (positives and negative)

    Thanks,
    Stephen
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I am dang sure they changed the name becasue the 2 systems are no longer siblings. Ferdy Piech was defending the end of the much loved synchro name.
  • greyfalcongreyfalcon Member Posts: 8
    I have been watching the response to the recently released "New Age Impreza" body styles. Silence. Dismay. Etc. From Australia, New Zealand, USA. Some say it looks like a Dodge Neon.

    So I loaded images of the two side by side taken from the same angle, and here's my thoughts. A little ugly is a very good thing as it is akin to strong character. My 1990 Celica was considered ugly when it came out. The wedge shape shocked people; then all cars became wedge shaped. The old car still looks great; it aged very well indeed. The New Age Impreza makes the old model look, well... old. The Neon is a wedge with round lights. A wedge car tends to look small under the hood, underpowered. The new Impreza looks muscular under the hood. It looks like it should handle very well; it probably will too. I conclude that it is subtley innovative and very attractive.

    I wish the rear seats folded down in the WRX version. No reason they shouldn't and it might just prevent me from buying one.

    Subaru's unusual success comes from creating a new niche. I think the WRX will do that in the US.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I agree.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Colin: the Passat is the exception, though. They call it 4Motion but it uses Torsen diffs (i.e. Audi Quattro) since it's built off the A4 platform.

    Here's a chart:

    Car What it uses What they call it
    Passat Torsen 4Motion
    Golf Haldex 4Motion
    A4/S4 Torsen Quattro
    A6/A8 Torsen Quattro
    TT Haldex Quattro

    So the label is meaningless marketing BS. They go by platforms.

    Stephen: the Passat needs a new engine, plain and simple. I drove the Maxima, Camry V6, Intrigue, and Passat V6 back-to-back and it was clearly the also-ran.

    Handling was only OK, too soft though. The leather seats were rock hard, only the Intrigue's were worse. The interior was a bit too stark, also. The tiptronic is very gimmicky - it's ssssllllllooooooooow and you have to take your hand off the wheel. The 323i and IS work better (buttons on the wheel, much faster). Overall it only beat the Intrigue.

    Pros include nice styling, sturdy hinges in the door, trunk, and hood, and overall quality of contruction. Ride was very good. It was also quiet, and the controls had good tactile feel.

    I honestly preferred the 1.8T 5 speed I test drove back in '98. It felt punchier and the cloth seats were actually inhabitable.

    My dad's Outback Limited has about twice as many creature comforts, making the Passat feel like a stripper in comparison. It pampers the driver much more. The seats are in a class above the Passat's. The faux wood warms the interior, even if it is fake. It feels substantial (as does the Passat) and of good quality.

    I can't comment on acceleration or handling, since I have not had a chance to push it hard. The ride, though, is very smooth, and it's also quiet. I've ridden in the back seat, and that sunroof works wonders to make you feel important even in back.

    It's not a fair comparison, since I didn't push the Outback around cones, but the Passat would already have been crossed off my list.

    Keep in mind these are my personal tastes. Everyone else seems to love the Passat, I just couldn't figure out what the big deal was.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    ... for the Forester? Nissan is about to introduce, at the Paris Auto Show, the X-Trail, which is another cross-over vehicle like the Forester, Rav4, etc. I'm assuming the USA will get it shortly too.

    Bob

    http://www.whatcar.com/
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bring it on!

    Hmm, a small SUV with a 2.0l for close to $30 grand (US)?

    Well, UK prices are always inflated. Still, if Nissan bring it here it'll be priced above the XTerra, since that's where the Freelander will be.

    Premium small vehicles are an oxymoron to US customers. It'll bomb unless they drop the price.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice,

    Slightly off-topic, but there apparently is a chip that you can buy for the VWs that decrease the tiptronic shift times to 0.2sec.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I think, if and when it hits here, it will be positioned against the Rav4, and the like. It will be price thusly, and not at $30K.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ken: I'd heard that, but once you chip the tranny, you can kiss the 10 year powertrain warranty goodbye.

    Plus, it's gotta cost something. So we'd have to compare mods to mods.

    The SPT short shifter is $202.80 from Darlene, and it should fit all 5 speed Subarus. That's probably about half the price of the Tip chip, which still isn't a true manual.

    Bob - that would only make sense. The XTerra targets the rough and tumble crowd, so a decontented X-Trail could be sold to the car-based crowd.

    -juice
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    >the XTerra targets the rough and tumble crowd

    hmmm... in the Bay Area a lot of the XTerra drivers are soccer moms (not that there's anything wrong with it :-). So are most of the Grand Cherokee drivers. Limited JGC is especially popular with soccer and Little League crowd, and so is Eddie Bauer edition of the Explorer.

    Interestingly, when off-roading in the mountains of Mendocino county, I saw a lot Mazda MPV minivans used by off-roading/camping crowd.

    One of my co-workers (a devoted soccer mom of 2) recently bought Tahoe. Why? She thinks it's safe and gives her "enough room". Never thinks of taking it off-road or tow anything with it.

    I wonder what's the deal with the room: I always could easily fit all the soccer gear in my old Loayle, when my daughter played the soccer.

    I think it's that "I-am-powerful" macho styling (as opposed to boring minivan styling) and feel of security (however false it could be) is a major draw for women.

    I also have a home-grown theory that many people (like me) dislike that roundish styling of cars that was prevalent in past decade and are secretely drawn to boxier styling of SUV. Seriously, I myself was literally drooling over JGC until restyling in 1998. Note that no matter how mags praised new styling of JGC, sales were down 15% after redesign, so I guess I'm not alone who hates egg-shell shaped vehicles...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Kate - you're totally right. Every time we go mountain biking or hiking, I never see XTerras (tons of Soobs, BTW).

    Plenty of XTerras at the mall, tho!

    The previous MPV had 4WD. The All-Sport kind of made me chuckle. "It's not a van, it's a DRINK!"

    Boy, another Tahoe that will never go off road or even tow. Why not a Legacy GT wagon? Faster, better handling, lower operating cost, lower price, and heck if it doesn't serve her needs better.

    Maybe it's the high seating, which works for the Outback, too.

    -juice
  • barresa11barresa11 Member Posts: 277
    I was curious as to your impressions re: Passat & OB. Your conclusions were almost identical to mine. I do feel pampered in my OB Ltd. Your right about the rear sunroof, actually makes want to be a rear passenger sometimes. :-)

    Stephen
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    This is a very good site to visit if you're looking for photos of the latest vehicles. For example, I typed in "2002" in the search window, and I ended up with 14 pages (with aprox. 15 images per page) of images of MY 2002 vehicles.

    Sorry folks, no new Impreza yet, but great and numerous photos of new Explorer, Mountaineer, GMC Envoy, Cadillac Escalade, Lincoln Blackwood (production version), and many others.

    Bob

    http://www.wieck.com/public/index.html
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Davechen, sorry to take so long to get back to you. The Ferrari link I posted had information on older Ferraris as well as newer ones. The Testarossa you drove behind is probably the newer one:
    http://www.ferrari.com/Automobili/Models/Testarossa/Menu.asp

    The Testa Rossa, on the other hand, is a piece of Ferrari lore:
    http://www.ferrari.it/vetture/ieri.e/250tr58.html

    BTW, a Ferrari V-12 motor can be a very compact unit. Remember, they had V-12 Formula 1 cars.

    Which reminds me - I was amazed to read that the new Subie H6 is only 3/4" longer than the H4! I can't WAIT until they put that piece in a sporty model!

    Cheers,
    WDB
    (still in CA)
  • guxxguxx Member Posts: 33
    OKay, just skimmed through a week's worth of posts in this forum.

    Regarding the debate on the North American/Japan specs, I recall my salesrep told me that the Forester in Japan, for instance, doesn't have the conveniences of cup holders or any of the trunk compartments, while only the American versions do.

    What are the new Subarus to be released in the next year or two? I understand a new version of the Impreza is coming out...then the STX pickup...then a new Forester version...am I missing anything?
  • guxxguxx Member Posts: 33
    I was bored, so did some searching around the web for different future models of Subaru. Here's what I found, so maybe some of the more learned people here can applaud or criticize. *grin*

    1) the B4 Blitzen
    This I am guessing will be the new Impreza, as mentioned in Autoweek magazine at http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~simon/2.5RS/edit/B4.html

    2) the STX
    When I bought my Forester, the salesrep said he didn't own a Subaru but if he did, he'd wait for this guy. I don't particularly like the bright orange color though. Now, according to subaru.com, it made its debut in January 2000. Not for retail, or did it?
    http://www.irvinesubaru.com/stxspecs.htm
    http://formen.ign.com/news/16649.html
    http://trucks.about.com/autos/trucks/library/spotlight/chicago2k/bl_subaru.htm

    3) the Fleet-X
    This appears to be more of a concept car for some future date 5 years down the road at least. However, according to the edmunds link below, maybe it's only for Japan? But here's some links to it:
    http://www.subaru.net/prototype/fleetx/fleetx.htm
    http://www.subaru.ca/english/main_fs.htm
    http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1999_Subaru_Fleet-X.html
    http://www.net-web.co.jp/oyaman/FLEET-X.htm
    http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/Tokyo99/ugly.html

    4) the Exiga
    Is this Legacy platform also only for Japan? Or is this the new Impreza wagon? Neat how the seats supposedly rotate 180 degrees.
    http://www.ch70.chel.su/ccc/road/subaexiga.html
    http://www.subaru.net/prototype/exiga.html
    http://www.conceptcarz.com/alphaex.html

    5) the Impreza Cabriolet Operetta
    This appears to have a convertible style of the WRX.
    http://www.subaru.net/prototype/cvt.html

    6) the Rioma
    This doesn't look like a stereotypical Subaru design but maybe that's part of the issue. Perhaps they have scraped the Rioma in favor of the Operetta?
    http://www.subaru.net/prototype/rioma.html

    7) the Pleo
    Subaru's Japanese site says this is only sold in Japan.
    http://www.fhi.co.jp/subaru/maic0501.htm
    http://www.conceptcarz.com/subaru_pleo.htm

    8) the Sambar
    Also sold only in Japan.
    See http://www.fhi.co.jp/subaru/maic0501.htm

    9) The Subaru Justy is listed as one of 5 models sold on the Italian Subaru site (along with the Forester, Outback, Impreza, and Legacy). Is this sold just in Europe due to the long and winding roads? I guess it's been out a few years; never heard of it until now. Does anyone here drive one?
    http://www.subaru.it/english/e_justy.htm
    http://www.subaru.co.uk/Subaru/justy/justmenu.htm

    10) Here is a link to a showcase of upcoming creations by Fuji Heavy Industries, which makes the Subarus in Japan. It includes brief descriptions of the Alpha-Exiga, Elcapa, Legacy Wagon GT Plus, Operetta, Vivio RX-T (or is this the Pleo?), along with one-liners about the Alcyone SVX S4-111, the Legacy Grand Wagon, Impreza Hardtop Sedan WRX, Impreza Sports Wagon HX-S, and the Vivio 3-door sedan M300-type S.
    See http://www.teleparc.com/tms/hall/west/fuji-p/fuji-p-e.htm


    11) I just had to add here that it seems Porsche is coming out with an SUV, using a VW Passat chassis. Interesting. See http://www.conceptcarz.com/porsche/porsche_suv.htm
  • guxxguxx Member Posts: 33
    No idea if this out of date, but here you go with specs and lotsa pics: http://www.maitreg.com/Cars/impreza/2002/index.asp
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Wow, great pictures! Thanks! I think the GTs and especially the H6 wagons need this:

    image
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    You've been busy!

    The B-4 Blitzen is a very limited production Legacy sold in Japan and Australia. It was designed in conjunction with Porsche. I think the Aussies only got 6 for the year!

    The Impreza pixs are very current. That's the new model we will be getting in the spring -- U.S.A.-spec of course.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The headlights of the WRX are different than those of the base Imprezas! If you look closely you'll see the difference. I like the WRX version much better. No surprise there.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The tach on the WRX is the featured (centered, like Porsche) instrument on the instrument panel, and redlined at 7000 rpm. Again, different from the base model, which is to the right of the speedo and redlined at 6000 rpm.

    Bob
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Yes, they are definitely different. The WRX has projector style (my guess is HID Xenon) low beams, and halogen high beams. The non-WRX has standard halogen high and low beams. However, the former may only be an option since there's also a picture of the WRX with the halogen only headlamps.

    image

    image
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Did you notice that the white WRX "sedan" had a rear wiper? Rear wipers on sedans are quite common in Japan. I sure wish they would equip our sedans with rear wipers. If it makes sense to put them on wagons and hatchbacks, it also makes sense to put them on sedans.

    The common thinking/argument against putting rear wipers on sedans is that they don't get a lot of water kicked back up from the rear tires, because the window is further forward from the rear of the vehicle, and that the aerodynamics helps keep the rear window clean while moving. That may be true, but there are many times, such as in stop and go driving, that a rear wiper would be much welcomed. This is especially true when it's snowing.

    How about it SOA, can we get rear wipers on sedans too in the future?

    Bob
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    I think that we mentioned this to Patti a while back. I wonder if she had the chance to pass this suggestion onto the product planning department. Makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, I wonder if the Japanese-spec Legacy sedans have these rear wipers. Ken, did you see any mention of this on the Subaru Japan website?

    Drew
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Drew,

    Just checked the SOJ website. The B4 RSK, RS Type B and RS all do get a rear wiper and washer.

    Ken
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