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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hey zachsmom. Both the selling price and lease money factor that were used to calculate the lease payment that you were quoted look good to me. Having said this, Saab's February lease program was only scheduled to run through today. So if you have not finalized this deal yet, you will have to use its new March program. I haven't seen the new program yet, but expect to within the next couple of days. Please feel free to check back with me to see what it is like.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello zimp4us. You probably would be better off financing this car rather than leasing it. In fact, I do not believe that BMW Financial Services will even lease 2004 models any longer.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello ksd. Let's work up sample lease payments on the vehicles that you are considering. Keep in mind though that DaimlerChrysler's and Nissan's February lease programs are only scheduled to run through today. There is a good chance that their new March programs will be different.

    According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD with the w/26E options package, an MSRP of $32,040, and a capitalized cost of $27,370 ($29,370 invoice - $1,500 lease cash + $1,000 Chrysler Financial Bonus + $500) through Chrysler Financial right now for 3 years with 12,000 miles per, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment should be around $361.

    I just realized that you did not specify which Murano you are interested in, i.e. the '05 Murano S AWD, Murano SL 2WD, etc... Without this informaiton I can not estimate this vehicle's lease payment for you.

    I can not estimate a lease payment on the Buick Rendezvous for you either without knowing what state you are in because its incentives vary by region. I can tell you though that the $4,500 in incentives that you mentioned can not be used in conjunction with GMAC's lease program.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi miiames. Other than the fact that you will not put any additional miles on your car, it does not look like there is any real advantage to trading your car in now versus paying the excess mileage penalty. Furthermore, just because your car's purchase price is $10,200 does not mean that you can pay that amount and walk away from your deal. You may also have to pay a portion of your remaining lease payments. Unfortunately, one way or the other you are going to pay several thousand dollars. If you like your car and feel as though its lease-end purchase price is fair, you can avoid having to pay an excess mileage penalty by purchasing your Civic from the bank that you are leasing it through in June.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello davidtalker. You never mentioned the selling price or MSRP of the car that you are interested in leasing. These are important number for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing this car's selling price in relation to its MSRP you don't know how much of a discount you are getting on it. The second reason is that one needs the selling price and MSRP, including the destination charge, of a vehicle to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to work up a sample lease payment on the car that you are interested in for you if you let me know what these numbers are. Give me a couple of days though because Honda's February lease program was scheduled to expire today and it will take me a day or two to find out what its new program is like.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hey kisseshoney8. If you lease a 2005 GMC Envoy through General Motors Acceptance Corp., GM's captive finance company, you can not take advantage of the $5,000 in cash incentives that you mentioned.

    You never mentioned the selling price or MSRP of the truck that you are interested in leasing. These are important number for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing this Envoy's selling price in relation to its MSRP you don't know how much of a discount you are getting on it. The second reason is that one needs the selling price and MSRP, including the destination charge, of a vehicle to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to work up a sample lease payment on the exact truck that you are interested in for you if you let me know what these numbers are.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're local Acura dealer was correct, dodgerman. Honda is scheduled to publish a new lease program for Acura tomorrow. I should be able to find out what its new March program is like in a day or two. Post a quick reminder in this discussion for me then and I will give you an idea of what the new program is like.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    No problem, vbellino. No, you do not have to be a returning Infiniti Financial Services or Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp. lessee to qualify for this money factor. You do have to pay a security deposit that is equivalent to your vehicle's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $25 or $50 increment though. IFS will waive its security deposit requirement in exchange for an increase of .00015 in the factor that is used to calculate your payment.

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  • steevosteevo Member Posts: 389
    Me again..Having trouble getting a real quote below 400..Could you give me the Money factor, residual etc.. Thanks . Here are some slighly revised numbers..
    Highlander ltd v6 awd.
    MSRP= 35554
    Sell= 32356
    NY.
  • andy2812andy2812 Member Posts: 79
    ktkat,

    Thanks for clearing that up. In case you're looking for a 2005 GS300, I was at a Lexus dealer in Nassau County, Long Island yesterday and they were offering it for 36,800 which was below invoice and close to the carsdirect price with the usual options (leather package, heated seats, & sunroof).
    Unfortunately I didn't get the car because orginally the saleswoman told both me and my wife 2 separate times on the phone that the lease payment for a 36mon/15K lease would be $500 including tax with zero down and my last 4 payments on my '02 would be waived. This was what caused me to change my plans yesterday and go to the dealer to finalize the deal. When I went down to the dealer they suddenly couldn't do that deal claiming they would be losing $4,000 and the saleswoman claimed her manager had agreed to it and the manager there yesterday didn't know why the other sales manager agreed to it and of course he was "unreachable" by phone or pager to ask him why. They sent over the "sales manager of the day" who apologized and offered me a few free services, although they were vague with as to what this real entailed. They tried to get me to take the lease for a monthly price over $625 with a cap cost of $36,800. I walked out because I told them that I don't expect Lexus to pull that bait and switch crap, especially to a repeat customer and they have, at least for the time being, lost what had been up to this point a completely satisfied customer. In any event, I haven't had one problem with my '02 GS and would recommend the '05 since it's basically the same car although if you do a lot of driving in the snow I would stay away from it since it's horrible in the snow.
  • jaavaajoejaavaajoe Member Posts: 3
    Hi,
    I wanted to get your take on this deal. 2005 Tundra Dbl Cab SR5, 4x4- MSRP w/ options 35,010. 345/month (plus sales tax) with zero out of pocket, everything rolled into the monthly payment, for 36 months with 15k miles/year. Plus, $1000 cash back to me.
    I have been trying to find the residual, I think it is 72% after 3 years. Not sure though. I have a beacon score of over 770. I live in Florida, and the lease is being offered by Southeastern Toyota Finance. The info below is the standard deal Toyota is offering on the SR5. This deal is zero down, 12k miles/year with an MSRP of $27,969. I thought this might help you with the residual if you didn't have access to it.

    In lieu of customer cash and/or Special SETF APR Program; through SETF only. No security deposit. Excludes dealer documentation fees. Closed-end lease on all new 2005 Tundra Double Cab SR5 model number 7744 with select equipment. Adding options increases payment. $27,969 Adjusted Capitalized Cost based on $0 down payment. Lessee pays maintenance, excess wear and tear and $0.15/mile over 12,000 miles per year. Monthly payments total $10,404. A Disposition Fee of $350 is due at lease-end. Lease-end purchase option $20,328. Offer only available to qualified lessees through Southeast Toyota Finance. Retail delivery must be taken out of dealer stock by February 28, 2005. PROGRAM DATES: 02/01/05 - 02/28/05

    Thank you very much.
    Joe
  • cosmos2cosmos2 Member Posts: 7
    Looking to lease a 2005 bmw 745li for 36 months 12k a year with little or no money down .
    What would you say is a reasonable price to pay on a monthly basis?
    Looking for any advice you might be able to offer.
    Thanks
    Cosmos2
  • roberts1roberts1 Member Posts: 2
    I was told that I was getting a 24 month lease with zero down. The MSRP was 21590, Residual was 14897.10 and the cap rate was .00021. There was a 550 acquisition fee as well as 1st month payment and "fees" totalling 1274.38. My monthly payment was $323.30. A friend told me that the payment seemed high but that the other terms seemed pretty good.

    I want to make sure I don't get into a bad lease contract but don't fully understand the process. I received an information sheet from the salesperson. The terms that I discussed with the salesperson are there but so are a lot of extra numbers, which is confusing. It looks like a good money factor number but when I try to crunch the numbers myself, they don't seem to add up to the monthly payment I was quoted. I will list the numbers on the information sheet first and then the numbers that appeared on my contract (which I refused to sign).

    0 down
    Original MSRP: 21590
    Base Value MSRP: 19700
    Selling PRice: $20,085
    Inception Fees: 1274.38 (verbally told that this included 1st mo pmt, title, reg)
    Assignment fee: 550
    Total Cap Cost: 21,909.38
    Residual Value (69%) 14897.10
    Annual Miles: 15000
    Discount/Buy Rate: .000210
    Payment: $299.91 + 7.8% = $323.30

    I told the salesperson that I was fine with the numbers but the payment didn't match up to what I expected it to be. He said that I could get a better explanation from the "finance people." When I went to sign the contract, the payment was the same, but the inception fees were now lower (927.96) which I assumed would lower my lease payment a little. The contract also states that I am paying the $927.96 at lease signing, which I was not. They tried to say that this amount was really rolled into the payment down below on the contract. Is it normal to show that a customer is paying x amount of dollars when s/he is doing a zero down lease?

    Also, on my lease contract, the following numbers are entered:
    Gross Cap Cost: $21909.31
    Residual Value: -14897.10
    Depreciation: =7012.21
    Rent Charge: +185.63 (??Is this legit??)
    Total of Base Monthly Payments: =7197.84
    Lease Payments: / 24
    Base Monthly Payment: =299.91
    Monthly Tax: +23.39
    Total Monthly Payment: =323.30

    Also, I was told that the $1500 rebate did apply to leases but upon my arrival was told that the rebates were for purchases only. Is this true?

    Did I do the right thing by walking away to look things over or did I overreact?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .. ** they said that the car would go into auction and if it does not sell for residual value I have to pay the difference and this is new procedure and was activated this February. Is this legal? I read the contract and it did not state anything like that at all. have you heard of anything similar that has happened? Do you think I can fight this?** ..
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    Whats there to fight.? .. it's a contract, and there's no difference in a lease and a finance contract .. right now, you owe all the remaining payments, plus the residual, minus any future incurred interest ..

    If the lease company will "allow you" to get out via the auction route .. you will pay the difference between what the vehicle does at the auction - minus any recon, the auction fee, transport and any administration cost, which can be anywhere from $250 to $900++ depending on the condition of the vehicle and what auction it ends up at .... the residual and the market value have nothing to do with each other, they are 2 separate entities ...

    You can try to sell this one on your own - or make the remaining payments, not much difference than any other loan or mortgage payment you will ever have ....



    Terry.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi eoreos. I would be more than happy to give you my opinion of this deal, however Toyota's February lease program just expired yesterday and I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new March program yet. I should have a good idea of what its new program is like in a day or two. Post a quick reminder for me in this discussion, including what state you live in (Toyota's lease program varies by region), and I will give you my opinion of this deal.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're very welcome, jone345. Some banks will negotiate the lease-end purchase of vehicles, while others will not. I am not personally familiar with Infiniti Financial Services' policy on this matter, but you might as well see if they are willing to negotiate. The worst that could happen is they would say no. Around a month or two prior to the scheduled end of your lease, place a call to IFS and say that you might be willing to purchase your car if they would work with you on its price. If your initial contact there is not willing to negotiate, try working your way up the corporate ladder to a manager and see if they will. Make sure to give them the impression that you are right around your car's mileage limit. If they think that you are way under they will want your car back and if they think that you are over they will want your excess mileage penalty.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Greetings testykaren. Volvo's February lease program just expired yesterday. I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new March lease program yet, but expect that I will within the next couple of days. Please post a reminder in this discussion for me later on this week and I will be happy to try to answer any questions that you have about Volvo's new lease program. Talk to you soon.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hey rxke. Most manufacturers do not release early information about what their following month's lease program is going to be like. If they did, and the lease program was going to improve they would lose a lot of valuable end of the month business. I have not seen Acura or Infiniti's new March lease programs yet, but suspect that I will have an idea of what they are like by the end of the week. Please post a reminder in this discussion for me in a few days and I will try to answer any questions that you have.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome, roncas. BMW's February lease program was scheduled to end yesterday. I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new March program yet. I should have an idea of what it is like later on this week. Post a reminder in this discussion for me then and I will answer any questions that you have about the March program. Talk to you then.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi steevo. When I advise consumers not to make any sort of down payment when leasing, I mean not to make any sort of capitalized cost reduction. If you decide to take my advice and not make a down payment on the vehicle that you want to lease, you will still have to pay its first month's payment, security deposit, acquisition fee, and any other faxes or government charges at lease signing. The acquisition fee usually can be rolled into your car or truck's capitalized cost if you want, but doing so forces you to pay interest on it.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi again steevo. Toyota's February lease program just expired yesterday. I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new program yet. I should have an idea of what it is like by tomorrow or the next day. Please post a quick reminder in this discussion for me then and I will be happy to calculate a sample lease payment for you on the Highlander that you are interested in.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi Joe. Toyota's February lease program just expired yesterday. I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new program yet. I should have an idea of what it is like by tomorrow or the next day. Please post a quick reminder in this discussion for me then and I will be happy to tell you about SE Toyota's new lease program on the Tundra.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello Cosmos2. BMW's February lease program just expired yesterday. I have not had an opportunity to take a look at its new program yet. I should have an idea of what it is like in a few days. Please post a quick reminder in this discussion for me then and I will be more than happy to calculate a sample lease payment on this car for you. Make sure to include the full MSRP and selling price of the car that you are interested in.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Roberts1, it is very important to understand exactly how leasing works prior to signing a contract for your new vehicle. If you still not clear about everything, make sure to take a look at the following helpful articles that are available here at Edmunds.com: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment. Nissan's February lease program just expired yesterday. It has not published its new March program yet, but I expect it to later on today or tomorrow. If you check back with me towards the end of the week, I can answer any questions that you have about Nissan's new lease program for the Altima. For now, I can tell you that the $1,500 customer cash that is was providing on this car last month was not compatible with its special lease program.

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  • jaavaajoejaavaajoe Member Posts: 3
    Hi Car man,

    I know that the Feb deal ended yesterday, but I essentially locked in this deal. THe truck is on the way! I ordered it under the Feb lease terms. Just wanted to do a final check up on the price.
    Also, thank you for the quick response.

    Thank you very much,
    Joe
  • roberts1roberts1 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks for the information. I will re-read the two selections. I felt pretty confident going in that I understood how leases work but seeing the fees lower than what was quoted and not having the payment be affected raised a red flag. Shouldn't the payment have gone down if the "fees" went from $1274.38 to $927.96? The salesperson said that the contract is still good for today. Is it still a good deal?

    Thanks for your time.
  • 00boxsters00boxsters Member Posts: 202
    As you requested, I posted the selling price car man. 56,373
  • minivanuugghminivanuuggh Member Posts: 2
    We are considering a 24 month Saturn Relay lease with the following details: $343.00 per month 24 month lease, 23 monthly payments $0 due at lease signing for qualified leasees No security deposit required. Tax, title, license and retailer fees are extra. Lease payments based on specially equipped RELAY FWD 2 with M.S.R.P. of $24,485.00. 23 monthly payments total $7,889.00 with a capitalized cost of $25,080.00 and a residual value of $17,384.00. Option to purchase at the lease end for amount to be determined at lease signing. Primary lending source must approve lease. Take delivery by 03/31/05. Mileage charge of $.20 per mile over 24,000 miles. Lessee pays for maintenance, repair and excess wear. Payments may be higher in some states. Not available with some other offers.
    Excludes 5/60 extended vehicle coverage and personalization allowance.

    It seems like the way to go for us, we have two small children, but don't want a minivan forever...this will get us past the car seat stage. we have never leased and are not sure if this is a good deal. What do you think?
  • passat_mxpassat_mx Member Posts: 32
    I had a similar experience trying to lease an Altima 2.5S last Saturday. They came up with a payment in the $330's for a 24mo/15K deal, and they would keep muddling the numbers without revealing the MF and residual actually used to reach them. I walked out disappointed and wondering what type of customer these people are used to deal with.
  • v8displacementv8displacement Member Posts: 5
    Car_Man,

    Can I still use the rebate cash with a lease through Nissan on a Titan?

    Also, I heard that the Titan's have $1,500 in March, up from $1,000. Do you know if that's correct? Edmunds.com isn't listing it yet?
  • ktkatktkat Member Posts: 7
    hey andy2812 -
    I can't believe Lexus pulled that on you. I was thinking about getting the AWD GS because I live in the midwest. I read the reviews on an edmunds forum, and people don't sound crazy about the car. I'm going to check out the Infiniti M35 (AWD). Maybe you should check out that car, too. It is redesigned & is cheaper than the Lexus. If you want a car with a lot of punch, Infiniti usually delivers.
    If anyone knows the March Infiniti deals, incl. lease factor, please post.
  • andy2812andy2812 Member Posts: 79
    Hey ktkat,

    I was also stunned that they pulled that on me. To add insult to injury, I received an email yesterday from the saleswoman who originally said that she could do the deal, saying how they valued every customer and the other usual garbage. It was probably just an auto generated email that they send to anyone who comes into the dealership if they have their email address, but I just thought she had some nerve if she didn't try to stop it from going through. I'm debating whether I should reply to it or maybe send a letter to the owner of the dealership since I already have a car from that dealership.

    Knowing that you're in the Midwest, I would highly recommend against the '05. This morning reminded me how bad the car is in the snow after awaking to about 5" of snow and having the car sliding all over the place. Mind you I've had RWD cars my whole life and have never had a problem driving in the snow before this car. I also read the same reviews on the '06 GS, so I'd be hesitant to get this one too. I'm actually considering the AWD G35, but at this point I might just wait the 4 months until my lease is up, since a few places I've been to want to add what I owe on the 4 payments into a new lease and I don't really want to pay for the GS for the next 3 years.
  • eoreoseoreos Member Posts: 18
    Thanks Car_Man. I am in NJ but will be picking up the car in Maryland. By the way, the $423 includes all taxes but does not include GAP insurance. The dealer says I can purchase that from them for under $400.
  • ronald15ronald15 Member Posts: 21
    Just lease a 2005 Altima yesterday for 24 months, 12,000 miles. Here are my lease figures:

    MSRP $23,500
    Selling Price 21,100
    Acquisition Fee 550
    Cap Cost 21,650
    Residual (70%) 16,324
    Total Depreciation 5,326 /24 months= 221.92

    $21,650 + 16324 x .00021 = 7.97

    Total Payment 229.89
    Sales Tax 5% 11.49
    Total Payment with sales tax $241.38

    Amount due at lease signing:

    First month payment $241.38
    Title Fees 50.00
    Registration fees 36.00
    Doc Fee 299.00
    Inspection Sticker 29.00

    Total $655.38
  • mister22mister22 Member Posts: 32
    Hey Roberts1,

    Your lease was calculated correctly. Because your money factor of 0.00021 was so low, your rent charge is low. Divide 185.63 by 24 months and you will see how little it contributes to your monthly payment.

    Unless otherwise classified as Lease Cash, the rebates listed for most cars on sites like Edmunds only apply to Purchases.

    I would question if leasing for 24 months is the best "monthly payment" deal, but you sure do have a fantastic (next to nothing) money factor. You cannot get away from the $550 acquisition fee or the per state registration and titling charges. In this case, it appears they did not require you to pay a security deposit. The only way to lower your monthly payment is to perhaps look at a 36-42 month lease or lower your cap cost by decreasing the selling price.

    Leasing is a binding contract and is very hard to break, so I would say your reaction is perfectly normal considering that it's your money!

    Hope this helps. Good luck.
  • dysartddysartd Member Posts: 2
    My wife's 2002 Escape XLT was stolen a week ago and recently recovered. The vehicle has some minor interior damage, which insurance will probably pay to have fixed. My wife refuses to drive the car anymore, so we are looking at trading in on a new vehicle about 3yrs earlier than we planned. Best I've been able to estimate is we'll get $11500 for a trade-in, and with $2900 owed on the loan, that will give us $8600.

    She now has her eye on a 2005 Freestyle and we are considering leasing it for the 3yrs, and replacing it at the end of that term. I'm still waiting on quotes for the particular model with the options we are looking for, but Edmunds TMV comes in at $32642, and the X-Plan pricing I can get on it is $32100, plus a current local auto show rebate of $1000, so figure a sales price of $31500.

    Question I have is when I went to fordcredit.com to figure what the lease payment was going to be on a 36mo/45,000mi lease, it wouldn't let me specify more that $7k for the trade in on the lease. Is there some limit I'm not aware of?

    Also, scrolling through some past messages, I get a sense that there maybe some disadvantages to applying a trade-in toward a lease.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome, Joe. Let's take a look at the February lease program for this truck. If you were to lease a 2005 Tundra Double Cab SR5 4WD through SE Toyota Finance using its February program for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor should be .00159.

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  • prischprisch Member Posts: 16
    Hey Car_Man,

    Just posting a reminder re: lease numbers for the 2005.5 A4 2.0 Q and the 3.2. I'm looking for the MF and residual for both on a 10,000 mile per year lease for 36, 39 or 48 months. Thanks again. I'll hopefully be ordering one sometime this week.
  • jaavaajoejaavaajoe Member Posts: 3
    Car man,
    So the MF is .00159 = 3.8%. Do you have any hard numbers on the residual for Feb? The March program appears to be exactly the same as Feb. I am trying to dissect the deal, and I wasn't sure about the residual.
    Ultimately, I wanted your thoughts on 345/month, nothing out of pocket, with 1000 cash back in my pocket, 15k/year. If I did put that 1000 down (which are two rebates I am eligible for), then I would be at about 317/month. That seems like a great deal for a 35k dollar truck, but I am no expert. What do you the numbers tell you?

    Thank you again,
    Joe
  • delrickdelrick Member Posts: 105
    Am trying to decide between the Envoy Denali and the Saab 9-7X

    Information on both vehicles is spotty at best.

    How do you see the matchup, from a leasing point of view on these vehicles?

    Do you have comparable mf and residual data for these vehicles?

    36 month lease for both and also 48 and 60 momth on the Saab


    I understand that Saab offers a 60 month warranty which could affect the term of lease I normally take.
  • rxkerxke Member Posts: 168
    HI CarMan

    I am going to lease either a 2005 RL or a 2006 M35 AWD. What are the March money factors and residuals for both cars? I live in NY and drive 15,000 miles per year. I would lease either of these cars for 39 or 42 months. I have been quoted by an Acura dealer(Feb #s): 15k per year for 42 months a money factor of .00200 and a residual of 47%($699 per month for 42 months not includes sales tax or $657 per month for 48 months and a 45% residual(MSRP $49,470 with a selling price of $47,000). Does that sound right?
    The residual values seem low compared to the Infinit M35 AWD (MSRP and selling price of $48,160, money factor of .00178, and a residual of 60% of 39 months leasing for around $620 per month plus tax)

    I will lease one of these cars hopefully with week. As always, your input is appreciated.

    Thanks for your help.
  • jpmiller99jpmiller99 Member Posts: 50
    I am looking to lease a nice minivan for 3yrs/45K miles. I've never leased before, but have done some research.
    Can anyone make a suggestion on nice minivan with a good residual, and maybe a factory supported low money factor, that would keep the payment low?

    I am thinking of an Odyssey EX-L with DVD, but I don't think there are any good lease deals on those right now. (However, they do have good residuals.)

    Any guidance would be appreciated.
  • zandozanzandozan Member Posts: 5
    I am looking to lease one of these this month (3 yr, 15K, Ohio) . Sort of impartial so it will come down to cost / terms. Can you post money factor and residuals... Hopefully they are decent or I may have to go the pilot or highlander route.

    thanks
  • testykarentestykaren Member Posts: 13
    Car Man:

    I am looking to lease a XC 90 V8 with the following: Touring Package, Convenience Package, Climate Package. Dealer said lowest price is $1500 over invoice. Blue Book residual is 63% after three year, 12k per year. What is the money factor for this vehicle for March? Do you think the price will come down if I wait a couple of months? And what would a lease payment work out to be with no money down and taxes rolled into the lease?
  • t6061t6061 Member Posts: 9
    Looking to lease a 2005 Mini Cooper S from a dealer in IL. I am a CA resident and will be registering the car here. The dealer is quoting me a 48 month lease payment of $415mo (plus monthly CA sales tax) with 0 down based on an MSRP of $23,050 and a residual of 52% ($11,986). The MINI Financial Services web site quoted me $339mo based on the MSRP of $23,050 and 0 down and I submitted an on-line app and was approved last week. Seems like a big gap and when I asked the dealer to fax over the terms all I got a was a handwritten note with the info stated above and a money factor quoted at "380". Not sure what to make of this. My credit is fine, income is great - just coming off a 4-year Audi lease...any thoughts? Could the dealer be pushing one of their own loan programs instead of MINIs? Thanks for your council...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    Did that $339 quote include tax? usually the numbers thrown around in ads, for instance, don't include it.

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  • t6061t6061 Member Posts: 9
    No it didn't but neither did the $415 quote. Tax here in Orange County, CA is 7.75% added to the lease payment...
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,497
    Sounds like they might be running your lease through someone other than MINI... or, just plain jerking you around..



    I've seen MINI Cooper S convertible quotes for 36 months only come out to $415 + tax..

    Another note.. BMW's lease program usually is not that favorable for 48 month terms.. Sometimes the 36 month lease is a better way to go..

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  • mabubbamabubba Member Posts: 53
    Carman,

    Here's the quote I received using March's numbers.
    2005 Imola Red 330Ci w/ ZHP, Zenons, and heated front seats.

    The salesperson also listed:
    6 speed manual trans.
    M shifter
    M wheels
    Suede covered steering wheel. Is this equipment already part of the ZHP package? I didn't see this stuff listed separately, are they perhaps dealer installed? I get an MSRP of only $43195. I am confused.

    $42,600 selling price
    $825 acqusition fee
    $65 Doc fee
    43,490 Gross Capitolized Cost
    $2,500 Down payment
    $40,990 Adjusted Cap Cost
    $44,645 MSRP
    57% Residual
    $25,447.65 Residual Value
    36 Month Term
    0.00120 Money factor
    $ 511.46 monthly payment Plus Tax

    Did the numbers change much from February to March? Since this is a factory demo, I was hoping for a better deal. From your perspective, couldn't I just order a car and get it for the same discount below MSRP?

    Thanks,

    mabubba
  • t6061t6061 Member Posts: 9
    Yeah, it sounded funky to me too... they quoted me $457mo plus tax for the 36 mo given a 60% residual. Minis are supposed to have great resale value so one would think the residuals would be a bit better than average...
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