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If offroading isn't one of your most important criteria, then you really need to test drive the Forester and CR-V since they feel completely different. No one on this board can tell you which will feel best to YOU; that's a personal preference. Test drives can be fun with the right attitude, so go out there and have a great time.
The XT is ahead of the Ferrari Enzo all the way to 30 mph. It's ahead of the Porsche Cayenne Turbo all the way to 50 mph. Up to 50 mph, it's the quickest SUV C&D ever tested.
The CR-V does not even play in that league.
-juice
"The last NSX we tested (July 1999) was an Alex Zanardi limited-edition model, which scaled in much lighter (2970 pounds versus 3153) than the curb weight Acura lists for the 2002 model. It sprinted to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, covered the quarter-mile in 13.2 at 106 mph"
Unless I'm proven wrong. LOL
-juice
Congratulations to you and your wife on the birth of Paul! Now you have a navigator for those SBD's.
Mark
so mom and i took the long way home. "subaru, bringing families together"
-Dennis
-juice
Plus we had invasion of well meaning family that wouldn't take the hint to leave. Part of the Fredricksburg, VA clan arrived at 2am on Friday (Saturday)! By the time we got them bedded down, it was 3am. Then we had to drive them to a Bar Mitzvah on Long Island later Saturday morning (tooth picks holding up eyelids). About 3:30pm yesterday I politely (I think....) ordered them to leave! GO HOME! So Beth & I were up past 2am last night to make up for the days lost. Airport pickup is early Wednesday morning, and we should be in Hong Kong late on Thursday. That is our first staging point for meeting up with the rest of the exhausted travelers.
Steve - too bad. I was looking forward to my flag.... Thanks anyhow.
ED! Way to go... Glad to hear everyone is doing well, especially "PET".
Steve
Alittle late but you guys are killing me... hard to keep up, even coming back from a weekend. Do you guys ever rest anywhere besides by the computer? lol.
Serge: glad to hear Susan's doing well!
Lark6 (Ed): Congratulations (re: PET)!
Juice and Bob: way to go!
Steve (fibber1/2): Best luck with your trip!
To someone who asked CR-V vs Forester (brings good memories from the past: hondabro99, where are you?): NO COMPARISON. Forester beats CR-V hands down. And it's a better off-roader too.
1/4 Mile: 13.4
1/4 Speed: 106
LOL
-juice
-Ian
Steve & family have a safe journey. Hope you can sleep on planes...it's a great place to catch-up on your sleep if you're able to.
Jim
This weekend, three or four dealerships in Oregon were having sales on Foresters. Anyone think it is a coincidence?
I do not think it is a bad product, just a bad economy, so I put my money where my mouth was and when one dealership offered a XT PP for about 1200 less than invoice I drove it home.
I would call this a compact utility performance vehicle. Drives great ... personally I expect the auto trans. to save me about one speeding ticket per year...
Anyway, anyone considering a Forester might want to see if their local dealerships have had similar reactions to this news. Forester sales in the U.S. declined from Sept 02 to Sept 03 and from Oct 02 to Oct 03 even though there is a new, clearly superior, model. This cannot be encouraging for Fuji, as Takagi-san's comments imply. I think they would like to avoid this in November 03 and might be willing to find significant new discounts in order to attain this goal.
Bob
NSX: You won't even need snow -- how about some damp pavement!
Bob: Safe travels and Happy Thanksgiving.
Ken
-All: Happy Thanksgiving and safe travels if you're on the road this holiday season.
-brianV
just another reason i got the subaru ( snow and rain handling with speed )
Still, you got a great deal, congrats.
For once, no road trip for Turkey Day this year. We'll host my lil' bro and sis. Gobble gobble.
-juice
Nice dealership with huge service facility with freee espresso bar, lounge and even PS2 running GTA3. Get the GT back tomorrow.
Seems odd to blow a heater core after only less than 3 years (2001) and only 46k miles. I think it freaked at the cold weather after spending so much time in CA.
bit
Hope the new one lasts longer!
-brianV
bit
Craig
bit
Bit, thats a bit of a bummer (no pun intended)
In all the cars I have owned including the time I could only afford junkers, I have never had a heater core let go.
Cheers Pat.
mre4: That's bad news for FHI/SoA and a bit surprising. I hope the XT doesn't go away because I'd like to buy one next year. Hopefully it will make it into the '05 model year with changes in colors and added features. I joined ACA earlier this year with hopes of using the VIP plan to buy an XT at invoice, but if this trend holds it may not be necessary.
bit: Bad news, hope you can get it addressed to your satisfaction. I had a heater core go on my old VW Jetta years ago and VW covered it even though car was far out of warranty. Granted that was an acknowledged problem on VW's part - a recall item IIRC - so maybe not an analogous situation. Good luck.
Ed
Thanks!
Patti
Was the Forester's width a concern on those PB trails. I've received a couple of minor scratches out there with my OBS and was curious how your Foresters fared.
Better than my friend's Tundra, I presume. :-)
-Dennis
pondering the lighter side
P.S. - Ed, get off the computer and go tend to that young 'un!
I'm a founding member of the OTF club, where one joins if they're unsure what to persue - a WRX, a Legacy Turbo, or an XT. (pardon as I've said this all before) Really the only thing stopping my persuit of an XT is the lack of a MT PP down here in the states. I know that I could add a moonroof and leather aftermarket, but it's just easier coming that way from the port. So are the days OTF.... ;-)
I too signed up for the VIP discount through IMBA. Hey, if I don't need it, so be it!
-Brian
To answer your question, I had a few minor scratches in the clearcoat on the PB run - they buffed out fine using polishing compound and/or swirl mark remover, followed by the wax of your choice. I get worse from driving on the highway with a bunch of 18-wheelers kicking up debris. There were a few scratches on the plastic side mirror housings and C-pillars, which I was able to either buff out completely or at least down to very light marks using the Novus system.
Ed
Pine Barrens were fine with Sandy. The only time I went up against the bushes was when we all congregated and I pulled off on the "shoulder", if you can call it that. Even then, a wax job cleared up the minor scratches.
Make sure someone has GPS or you'll be as lost as Paulie in that Sopranos episode.
-juice
It turns out there was a traffic jam, and the traffic came to a halt. I was in the lead car (our '01 Forester), next was a '02 Corolla, then my son in his '96 Impreza Outback, then a '01 4Runner, and finally a '91 Explorer which caused the accident by plowing into the four stopped vehicles.
The Explorer and 4-Runner were totalled. Three people were taken to hospitals, one with possible broken bones.
Of all the vehicles the our Subies suffered the least damage. Our Outback's rear bumper, rear hatch, right tailight and right rear fender sustained damage. It also got a cracked front amber parking light lens. The Forester suffered a scuffed rear bumper skin. The Corolla, which hit the Forester suffered a crunched front bumper and hood. Our two Subies were the only vehicles that could driven away from this accident!
Our son (and his car) were incredibly lucky, in that the 4-Runner only hit his car with a somewhat glancing blow. My guess is that the Explorer that caused the accident probably hit the 4-Runner at 30 - 40 mph, if not faster.
Oh well, we will try again tomorrow around 7:00 AM to head to RI, this time in one car, and going a different route...
Bob
glad to know that y'all are OK.
Indeed a Thanksgiving moment.
Happy Thanksgiving All
-Dave
mark
Glad you're all OK Bob, and that the cars are not damaged too bad. Better luck tomorrow!
Craig
and the heater core ... the only one I've ever had to replace was an incredibly old junker .. lol ...
MY car is at the dealer having the brakes done. I called back and asked exactly what would be done for the $340 I was quoted before and lo and behold it was .... $259 ... hmmmmm
Patti, if you're reading, I've had REALLY good experiences with this dealer, but I also know they recently were sold to a mega super dealer conglomerate here recently .... the thing that really bothers me about the service department is that more than once over the last few months, I've had my car in for an oil change and been offerred a service that I ALREADY HAD DONE ON THE CAR IN THIS DEALERSHIP!!! I know they have the records on the computer of what's been done, and it really IRKS me to be offerred something that's been done for hundreds of dollars ....
(rant over ...)
on an "update" .. my dad is slowly improving but still in the hospital (3 weeks now) ... my brother says he's healing fine, but is very "weak" and doesn't want to get "mobile" ... he's gonna have to decide to make some effort to get back on his feet and get his health back ...
Happy Thanksgiving everybody whether you are staying put or traveling
Brenda
I think everyone is in a hurry but going nowhere. I'm kinda glad I stayed put, too.
-juice
Here in Utah we received a healthy storm in the last week. On Friday there were over 300 accidents reported in a 24-hour period. It became so severe that the Utah Highway Patrol pleaded with the public to stay home, and when people were involved in an accident with no injuries, to not call the authorities.
I'm glad to hear that you were okay. What a way to start the holidays! Also, good thing it happened close to home.
Hopefully, the worst is behind you now!
Ken
-mike
-mike
Hope everybody has a great holiday. Try not to eat too much!
Jon
6pm-7am on Thurs
-mike
Mike - I hope you have time with your family in between the work!