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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    Said the exact same thing tonight to my Dad. They’re both really compelling options. Just wish the interior of the GLI was a bit less plasticky.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    biggest issue I had with the Accord is they made it too low (roof and seating position). Besides being pretty long, but I can deal with that easier.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • breldbreld Posts: 4,688
    Nice write-up @28firefighter.

    Did you get any idea that there could be some dealing on that 4K mile example?

    2019 Volvo V90 XC - 2019 VW Alltrack - 2018 VW GTI

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    edited August 2019
    breld said:

    Nice write-up @28firefighter.

    Did you get any idea that there could be some dealing on that 4K mile example?

    They had it advertised for $29k as certified. So I’d say no. Combined with it being a non-ideal color and being a few months too early, I left. They were totally respectful of that fact so I have no complaints. I’d be targeting 27-28k on a new unit, so I’d expect a demo to be $25k or less.

    Something else I realized, the Sport doesn’t have memory seats. Doesn’t matter now but would if I can get my wife to drive it.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,525
    edited August 2019

    breld said:

    Nice write-up @28firefighter.

    Did you get any idea that there could be some dealing on that 4K mile example?

    They had it advertised for $29k as certified. So I’d say no. Combined with it being a non-ideal color and being a few months too early, I left. They were totally respectful of that fact so I have no complaints. I’d be targeting 27-28k on a new unit, so I’d expect a demo to be $25k or less.

    Something else I realized, the Sport doesn’t have memory seats. Doesn’t matter now but would if I can get my wife to drive it.
    Would your wife really drive a manual?

    I looked it up and the Accord is only about an inch longer and .3 of an inch wider than the TLX. As you say, the Acura ELS sound system is better than the top system in the Accord, and when it comes to the seats, the controls, and the rest of the interior the TLX is better imho. With the c.$9k in lease incentives on the 2019 TLXs from Acura I'd say the difference in price isn't 15k, but maybe closer to c.7k when compared to a TLX V-6 A-spec? In the unlikely event you'd consider a 4-cylinder TLX Tech the price then becomes pretty close to the same as an Accord Sport 2.0, and in fact I think the Acura has the price advantage by a couple of thousand—although the Accord 2.0 turbo is obviously faster and more powerful than the naturally aspirated 4-cylinder TLX.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 9,430
    edited August 2019
    Stunned:
    Carvana offered 12,417 for the Elantra. Buyout is 13,492 so doing that math still cheaper for me just to keep it for a little while and pay two payments and dispo fee.

    Autolenders offered 12,000 on their site, but when I sold them my Genesis they were able to negotiate a lower buyout with Hyundai Financial so I'm calling them later on.

    Waiting for Vroom's offer.
    Edit: Vroom = 10,000 which is more or less what I thought the others would be.

    I could also run to Carmax at lunch if I can break away.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 11,697
    Thanks for the impressions @28firefighter ...just what I was looking for.
    2018 Acura TLX 3.5 SH AWD A-SPEC
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    Probably not a smart idea, but I ran the RDX through carvana. $15,100. Definitely not expecting that. If the plan was to get rid of it when the wife got her new car, we would be out shopping this weekend. Certainly held value. I only paid $32 k 7 years ago, next month.

    That's $15K in your pocket! Start shopping before that RDX depreciates anymore.
    I ran the scheme plan past the wife (sell RDX, pay off rest of equity loan used to finance college, lease new for her, have monthly payments go way down, and put difference into a savings account to pay for car at end of lease). She was, well, less than receptive. Does not really want a lease (though I explained it would be a lease to buy). Plus, she figured if y'all people supported it, must be a bad plan!

    next step, start stopping at a few dealers when we happen to be out and about, just to scope out options on the short list.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    You make a point, @benjaminh. I was more comparing fit, finish, features on an Accord Sport vs. TLX A-Spec because they're in two different classes if you look at list price.

    I may try and get out to Bellevue and drive one again, but the idea of needing to go to the dealership closest to me for service or warranty issues is downright bothersome.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,678
    stickguy said:

    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    Probably not a smart idea, but I ran the RDX through carvana. $15,100. Definitely not expecting that. If the plan was to get rid of it when the wife got her new car, we would be out shopping this weekend. Certainly held value. I only paid $32 k 7 years ago, next month.

    That's $15K in your pocket! Start shopping before that RDX depreciates anymore.
    I ran the scheme plan past the wife (sell RDX, pay off rest of equity loan used to finance college, lease new for her, have monthly payments go way down, and put difference into a savings account to pay for car at end of lease). She was, well, less than receptive. Does not really want a lease (though I explained it would be a lease to buy). Plus, she figured if y'all people supported it, must be a bad plan!

    next step, start stopping at a few dealers when we happen to be out and about, just to scope out options on the short list.
    What's your interest rate on the HELOC? Is it more than the money factor you'd be paying on a lease?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,525

    You make a point, @benjaminh. I was more comparing fit, finish, features on an Accord Sport vs. TLX A-Spec because they're in two different classes if you look at list price.

    I may try and get out to Bellevue and drive one again, but the idea of needing to go to the dealership closest to me for service or warranty issues is downright bothersome.

    I think the service department at your closer Acura dealer will be happy to service a TLX bought at another dealer. And maybe the service dept. doesn't have the issues that sales seems to have? Warranty work is unlikely on a Honda or Acura, but both Honda and Acura stand behind their vehicles no matter what dealer you go to in my experience. For instance, we got a better deal on our CR-V at a Honda dealer that's farther away from us, but we service it and get warranty work done at the Honda dealer closer to use. 0 issues. They are happy for the business.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    benjaminh said:

    You make a point, @benjaminh. I was more comparing fit, finish, features on an Accord Sport vs. TLX A-Spec because they're in two different classes if you look at list price.

    I may try and get out to Bellevue and drive one again, but the idea of needing to go to the dealership closest to me for service or warranty issues is downright bothersome.

    I think the service department at your closer Acura dealer will be happy to service a TLX bought at another dealer. And maybe the service dept. doesn't have the issues that sales seems to have? Warranty work is unlikely on a Honda or Acura, but both Honda and Acura stand behind their vehicles no matter what dealer you go to in my experience. For instance, we got a better deal on our CR-V at a Honda dealer that's farther away from us, but we service it and get warranty work done at the Honda dealer closer to use. 0 issues. They are happy for the business.
    My point was more that I don't WANT to give them my business - warranty or otherwise. It was that poor of an experience.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,525
    edited August 2019

    You make a point, @benjaminh. I was more comparing fit, finish, features on an Accord Sport vs. TLX A-Spec because they're in two different classes if you look at list price.

    I may try and get out to Bellevue and drive one again, but the idea of needing to go to the dealership closest to me for service or warranty issues is downright bothersome.

    Seems like overall the Accord works better for you anyway?

    But if the TLX turned out to be better for you after another test drive, then imho driving to Bellevue a couple of times a year even for service seems like it would be worth it. My TLX is so fun for me to drive that honestly I think up excuses to drive more, and plan road trips I wouldn't have otherwise.

    PS Since you own a BMW, I think that might qualify you for the additional $1250 loyalty/conquest lease incentive on the TLX V-6. Combined with the already existing lease incentive from Acura that's a big $10k off to start, plus you might be able to get another c. $3k or so off of msrp. And so with $13k off of the original msrp I think the price difference with the Accord 2.0 Sport is only maybe c. $4k or so?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    28, I had a similar terrible experience at the Acura dealer close to me when shopping (really it was the particular salesguy I think, might have gone better if I had talked to SM directly). But, I swore them off for good. Even though it turned out that when I pivoted to a red A spec, they had 4 of them in stock!

    but when I had my (defective) battery go bad 2 months later, they were the closest dealer to take it in to. Service experience, night and day. They were phenomenal. I use the other local dealer (a little further away) for the RDX but plan to take the TLX back to this place since they already have it on file, and it is a little more convenient.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    nyccarguy said:

    stickguy said:

    Probably not a smart idea, but I ran the RDX through carvana. $15,100. Definitely not expecting that. If the plan was to get rid of it when the wife got her new car, we would be out shopping this weekend. Certainly held value. I only paid $32 k 7 years ago, next month.

    That's $15K in your pocket! Start shopping before that RDX depreciates anymore.
    I ran the scheme plan past the wife (sell RDX, pay off rest of equity loan used to finance college, lease new for her, have monthly payments go way down, and put difference into a savings account to pay for car at end of lease). She was, well, less than receptive. Does not really want a lease (though I explained it would be a lease to buy). Plus, she figured if y'all people supported it, must be a bad plan!

    next step, start stopping at a few dealers when we happen to be out and about, just to scope out options on the short list.
    What's your interest rate on the HELOC? Is it more than the money factor you'd be paying on a lease?
    it's adjustable (a line, not a loan) so not sure but I think about 4%, so probably more than a lease MF. So technically I would save on interest doing this. and seriously improve cash flow! Or more accurately, instead of putting money into savings by paying off the HELOC, I would be putting it into an account.

    mostly it was a scheme to see if I could get the wife to bite! And was nice to know the RDX was seriously holding its resale value.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    That is insane resale on the RDX. Good golly.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    well,, Carvana sometimes is your friend. I suspect if I went to a dealer today and tried to trade it in the offer is coming in way low.

    that purchase means they plan to sell it for 18k. It's nice and miles are good, but still, seems high to me.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 11,602
    I would run to Carvana to take that offer. It's a 7 year old vehicle! You should carefully consider all aspects of your options - pay off HELOC, use it as a down on a new vehicle, whatever - but I think this is a sign that it is time to make a move.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,120
    Same reason I sold the Mustang to them - I was indifferent about keeping it and I knew I’d never get that much from any other dealer.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 9,430
    @stickguy
    It's time. Start shopping... If you want a Volvo I know most of the tri state dealers on a first name basis right now.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    I think I need to agree with everyone here, not just as an enabler. I would take that offer before they come to their senses...
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    it is a good value. but, whatever replaces it (if we made a move now) is likely to depreciate harder in the next couple of years. And it only makes sense to do it if leasing, which we are not planning to do for the next family car (a lease to buy out is always a possibility, but can be a tough sell to "the boss"). If we traded it in on a buy, then we end up with another big payment that we don't want.

    Plus of course, there is the concept of keeping it around as the 2nd car after my lease goes away.

    it would be nice of course if I got the quote because it was actually the right time to be making a move and it was going anyway!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    tjc78 said:

    @stickguy
    It's time. Start shopping... If you want a Volvo I know most of the tri state dealers on a first name basis right now.

    I do too from one search or another. Any chance there are amazing lease deals on an XC60 loaner? Probably not, because buying one for $40k still leaves a big gap after the trade in!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • DaverceeDavercee Tampa, FloridaPosts: 102
    "Probably not, because buying one for $40k still leaves a big gap after the trade in!"

    Those are words of advice, right there.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,525
    stickguy said:

    ....a lease to buy out is always a possibility, but can be a tough sell to "the boss"....

    You might mention to her that sometimes incentives are available for leases that aren't available for purchases, which as you know makes the "lease to buy option" the better deal.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,583
    I'll also back everyone else and say you should strike while the iron is hot.
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road DC
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 11,602
    Especially since its the end of the model year and incentives are likely reaching their peak level.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    out of curiosity I checked cars.com. based on miles, price is pretty reasonable, compared to the ones listed. Maybe a bit strong, but not too much.

    a more cost effective option would be to split the difference, and get something like the Q5 that (SDA?) just bought, a 2016. Still a nice upgrade, and would tide her over for 2 years, then when the TLX goes back I just inherit that instead, but get something fancier than a 10 YO RDX. If I could find the right option, that plan, could have legs. Might need a couple drinks over dinner before springing that one on her.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,424
    Ok, I'm in too.

    Stick, don't let us down, now...

    Tesla X Performance / Tesla 3 Performance

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    just poked around. man, I love this one. the colors, equipment, etc. Would never convince the wife of course. But I think if it just showed up at home, she would quickly get used to it!

    Carvana makes it way too easy. they already have the trade info, and my documents from the last time. A couple of clicks and about 5 minutes later, just have to wait for the truck to show up with it!

    https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1251927

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    stickguy said:

    just poked around. man, I love this one. the colors, equipment, etc. Would never convince the wife of course. But I think if it just showed up at home, she would quickly get used to it!

    Carvana makes it way too easy. they already have the trade info, and my documents from the last time. A couple of clicks and about 5 minutes later, just have to wait for the truck to show up with it!

    https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1251927

    I think you'd want it a little more loaded up. Premium Plus or bust.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Same as jmonroePosts: 1,313
    stickguy said:

    just poked around. man, I love this one. the colors, equipment, etc. Would never convince the wife of course. But I think if it just showed up at home, she would quickly get used to it!

    Carvana makes it way too easy. they already have the trade info, and my documents from the last time. A couple of clicks and about 5 minutes later, just have to wait for the truck to show up with it!

    https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1251927

    Man, I don't know how you can pass up that car. I'm going to be an enabler and say you better hurry up. Like their add says, "they are getting it ready for you". So you gotta make sure that is YOU and not someone like @breld. ;)

    jmonroe
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 11,602

    stickguy said:

    just poked around. man, I love this one. the colors, equipment, etc. Would never convince the wife of course. But I think if it just showed up at home, she would quickly get used to it!

    Carvana makes it way too easy. they already have the trade info, and my documents from the last time. A couple of clicks and about 5 minutes later, just have to wait for the truck to show up with it!

    https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1251927

    I think you'd want it a little more loaded up. Premium Plus or bust.
    Plus blue with black interior is not a combo that I would care for, but that's just me.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,321
    sb55 said:

    17 year old tires are ticking time bombs. You should switch them out sooner than later.

    Absolutely! And, on that car, new tires are going to be satisfyingly cheap (probably about $350 for a decent set, installed).
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 133,886
    sb55 said:

    Michaell said:

    Hey all!

    Just spent the last 6 days in sunny SoCal, watching my son get married. Great girl, great ceremony, great reception.

    Car related events during my visit:

    My rental was a white over grey Toyota Camry SE - 15,xxx miles on it. I put 200 miles on it, and found it to be comfortable and competent. One nit to pick is that the adaptive cruise control is a bit abrupt in braking, and the CC shuts off at some low speed, so I had to manually restart it. Not fun on the 405. 6.6 gallons to refill it, so right at 30 MPG.

    Saw a pale yellow BMW 7-series in Malibu. Looked like a factory color (!).

    Got mom's '03 Sonata to pass the smog inspection. Took it out the day before and gave it an "Italian tune up"; lots of full throttle acceleration and got it up to 85 on a back road. Whatever it was, we solved the problem. There are a few things that I could see getting done - it pulls to the left pretty badly, and I suspect the tires may be in need of replacement based on time, not mileage. 38,xxx miles after almost 17 years. But, mom isn't driving any more and her caretaker (family friend) uses it to run mom's errands when necessary, so not a lot of miles.

    The lease on my cousin's RX350 ended a few months back, and she replaced it with a CPO MB GLE350. Dark grey over black (in Bakersfield - wouldn't be my first choice!); nice car on the inside, and has the illuminated tri-star on the grille.

    Here in Colorado, the Jetta goes back on Monday. The Outback gets service on Saturday, and apparently the windshield is cracked and will need to be replaced soon.

    To answer the question posed earlier this week, the Outback gets 20-21 MPG in the city, and we've seen as high as 28MPG on the highway.

    17 year old tires are ticking time bombs. You should switch them out sooner than later.
    Sorry that I didn't make this clear. The current tires on the Sonata are in fact the third set the car has had.

    Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and let us know! Post a pic of your new purchase or lease!


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    2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,321
    stickguy said:

    Plus, she figured if y'all people supported it, must be a bad plan!

    Damn; that woman is one sharp cookie! :D

    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,321
    edited August 2019

    That is insane resale on the RDX. Good golly.

    Similar on our Forester, TBH. I paid $23,000 for it in September of 2009. When it was totalled in March of 2017, with 108,500 miles, value was $12,000.

    It is really nice when they hold value like that.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • breldbreld Posts: 4,688

    stickguy said:

    just poked around. man, I love this one. the colors, equipment, etc. Would never convince the wife of course. But I think if it just showed up at home, she would quickly get used to it!

    Carvana makes it way too easy. they already have the trade info, and my documents from the last time. A couple of clicks and about 5 minutes later, just have to wait for the truck to show up with it!

    https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1251927

    I think you'd want it a little more loaded up. Premium Plus or bust.
    Agreed. That's as plain-jane as you can get. Carvana offers up the original window sticker - if you haven't pulled that up yet (I just did), you'll see what we mean.

    You'd be shocked at some of the features that aren't standard.

    2019 Volvo V90 XC - 2019 VW Alltrack - 2018 VW GTI

  • breldbreld Posts: 4,688
    I'll have my own Carvana experience this afternoon - GTI is scheduled to be dropped off (and Miata taken away) between 5:00 and 5:30 MST.

    I'll report back.

    2019 Volvo V90 XC - 2019 VW Alltrack - 2018 VW GTI

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    edited August 2019
    I've decided to take the afternoon off from work to try and recharge - haven't taken a true vacation day in 4 months (since Hawaii). What should I do? Any cars I haven't thought of I should try and sneak a test drive in?
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
  • breldbreld Posts: 4,688
    Mazda6 Signature.

    2019 Volvo V90 XC - 2019 VW Alltrack - 2018 VW GTI

  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,583
    Ones on your list or in general?

    If general, G70? Would love to get some impressions on that.
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road DC
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770
    Oops. Wrong link. I found a 2017 premium plus, tech, B&O, side assist, and a few other things. Lighter blue over gray. $29k.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,424
    I mean, if we are talking about for fun...

    Tesla X Performance / Tesla 3 Performance

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,525

    I've decided to take the afternoon off from work to try and recharge - haven't taken a true vacation day in 4 months (since Hawaii). What should I do? Any cars I haven't thought of I should try and sneak a test drive in?

    Tesla Model 3
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,770

    I've decided to take the afternoon off from work to try and recharge - haven't taken a true vacation day in 4 months (since Hawaii). What should I do? Any cars I haven't thought of I should try and sneak a test drive in?

    Are you firm on a stick? That will cut way down on options. And definitely leasing, right?

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,929
    stickguy said:

    Oops. Wrong link. I found a 2017 premium plus, tech, B&O, side assist, and a few other things. Lighter blue over gray. $29k.

    Better.
    pensfan83 said:

    Ones on your list or in general?

    If general, G70? Would love to get some impressions on that.

    I'll see if I can find some locally - the Genesis franchise network is not overly impressive up here.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX
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