Trust me also, you do not want a black car, I am with Loosh on this one. The last black car I owned I seriously considered paying 3500 bucks for a colour change, and then decided to trade it.
Sure, the black paint is a lot of work, but really it's not that much different than other dark colors, imo. Juice takes care of his fleet, he'll be fine with it. Having a random orbital on hand makes it much easier. And there is nothing like the reward of a freshly detailed dark colored car.
Really, with all the silver and champagne colored cars out there, I prefer the black or dark blue to not blend in with the others.
I found it heartbreaking. Key-area scratches, downtown parking scrapes, the time the dealer washed it after an oil change....it all showed up like crazy, at least on the unlamented Java Black Pearl. I had the orbital, I had the clay bar and the polish and the carnauba and the sealer and the Klasse and the blade and the chamois and the this and the that.....and it mattered not. In the end, I was spending waaaay too much time on it, OCD at its worst.
You mean there's things beside car detailing and the internet? :P
I guess I'm of the mindset that black or tan or silver or red, the swirls, scrapes, scratches are all there (and I know they're there), just disguised a bit. I haven't tired of cars or taking care of 'em just yet and try not to fret too much over the swirls and whatnot.
Now, I wouldn't have minded if that dark grey on the Legacy was available on my XT when I got it in '04....
I'd vote for the Diamond Gray. (This is up to a vote, isn't it?) Still a dark color, should contrast nicely with the vehicle's chrome, but hides the dirt & scratches well enough.
Thought of the new Bronze metallic? I bet the wife wouldn't pick that one, though. Maybe they'll have something in that color when you visit NY.
Actually, given I don't like chrome, a silver-ish color that blends in with it might hide it better.
I like the color in the press photos, actually. The wife did, too.
No black, eh? Realistically this will be the family transport so low maintenance would be best.
I'm thinking Silver or Atlantic Blue. Hey, maybe when the colors come out, I'll put it up for a vote. :shades:
Oh, and sorry about that thunder/lightning with severe downpours earlier this week. That was me. Yep, you guessed it, I washed all 3 cars. The storm came less than 24 hours later.
so I'm 'old' .. it's either weather or health ... lol
daughter and I are enjoying the "springtime" weather of fort benning GA as the temps might hit 65 today .... it's 28 at home with snow showers ... (yay) ... we head back in the next day or two ...
I feel for ya, Bob. It was 24F this morning, but clear skies and a gorgeous sun promising 14 hours of unabated sunlight! Should hit 40 or better with no problem today! :P
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Hey, juice, when I was about to pull the trigger on my '07 Outback, I really was not fond of the silver. I prefer... richer... colors, like deep blues, greens, reds. But, as all of Subaru's colors were bland other than black (wife hates black and I am no more fond of black than bland), we went with silver at her request.
I like it well enough now, and, with just entering "breakup" (aka, MUCK season!), it looks far cleaner than my dark green '96 ever did! I will give it a good wash/wax at the end of the month before I sell it, and I imagine it will sparkle like a jewel.
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Silver is one of the most maintenance free colors. I think that metallic gold is the best at hiding dust and dirt, followed by silver. (My wife's Pilot is silver, haven't washed it this year!)
Black looks dirty from dust 5 min after you're done drying it! (But it does look really good for 5 min!)
No one commented on the looks of the new Rex?! Maybe we're all too old here to buy one? (Bob excluded )
I'm so bored with my Camry I'm looking at buying something more "fun".
Yeah, even though it rained our Legacy and Forester were under the car port.
After 2-3 days of pollen (it's pollen season, big time), you see a thin yellow film on my Forester, which is dark green (Acadia Green Metallic).
My wife's car still looks clean. It's a light green metallic, and you can't tell. Yet they were washed on the same day.
The Miata is white, and I can't say I like white either. It is HORRIBLE in the fall, because wet brown leaves put tea-colored stains all over the thing. It's probably worse than the pollen on my dark paint.
So I'd prefer to avoid anything too light, or anything too dark. That's why a medium blue or silver appeals to me.
Have to say I love the Titanium colour on the Titan, it actually changes colour in different light and hides the dirt fairly well. I agree that a black car looks great clean, for all of the 10 seconds after you wash it anyway.
You couldn't pay me to own another black car, like loosh it almost drove me into a rubber room. No matter how careful you are the thing is always full of swirls. Now I know they are there in the Titan but I cannot see them unless I look close, wheras on a black car you can see them from half a mile away.
Gotta agree. After going OCD on my black Forester, I am so much more at peace with my silver Legacy wagon. While I just love the deep, wet look of finely detailed black paint, I just don't have the time to keep it up like that anymore.
Mmmm hmmmm, or buy an 8 year old Impreza that can carry its battle scars gracefully, and rewards 3 hours of labor by completely transforming from frayed daily driver to "wow, that thing looks new!"
(To which I chuckle, since even after a detailing you'd have to be half blind to miss the crack in the front bumper skin, the parallel parking scrapes, or the swirled paint. But she does clean up real good.)
While I always thought of the Outback sedan as a bit of an oddball, we own a wagon and I'm surprised they abandoned the segment they basically own (AWD wagons).
This being the case even though I am not in the market now or in the near future, things change and I can tell you right now! :mad: No legacy wagon!!!! and Subaru loses me as a buyer. I came to Subaru when Honda dropped the Accord wagon.
What doesn't completely make sense to me is that Subaru justified it's end due to slow sales. However, the LGT wagon was around since the time of the first Outback in the late 90s (as early as 97 IIRC). I can't imagine sales of the GT wagon were ever that strong, especially in light of Outback sales.
Why they waited all this time until they *finally* put a turbo engine in it and then discontinue it in three years is a mystery to me. Did LGT wagon sales slow that much after the performance bump?
Actually the legacy wagon was around since 91. Heck they even had it with a TURBO back then as well, although the Turbo wagon in the 1st gen Legacy did not have an MT available, only the sedan.
I think what they are doing is good, despite what critics may say, they are differentiating the OB and Legacy lines a bit. Non-subaru folks always saw the OB as the wagons and the legacies as the sedans anyway. This way they can just go in and look for what they want.
However with that said, I think they should sell an Outback Tarmac or something like that, which essentially is a LGT Wagon, this would keep the "outback" theme however it would give folks who really want a LGT Wagon what they want.
Bob, I wasn't aware of that, and that makes even less sense, can't understand why automakers would offer different models in the States than in Canada.
We are running JIC coilover suspension on the race car currently. With the FHI 4-pot front calipers, DBA4000 front slotted rotors and SS Lines with Hawk Blue(race) pads. In the rear we are running the stock Legacy Sport Sedan (1994) rear vented rotors and calipers with SS lines and Hawk Black (Race) pads. You can put someone's head through the windshield if you aren't careful between the Rs and the Brakes.
Looking forward to our first points race May 19-20 at Beaverun in PA.
I have a 1993 Legacy wagon with about 80K miles on a used engine that was put in about 10k miles ago. Since the engine was put in, the car has had overheating issues. :mad: We've replaced a water pump, radiator, radiator cap (x2) radiator hose, thermostat (x2), ECM, flushed the cooling system, and thoroughly flushed the block, pulling out the drain plugs twice. At first, running the car at high RPMs instantly cooled the engine down....now, nothing does but down time and its so bad the car is virtually undriveable. Fans work, temp sending unit works. I've no dealer in the area and I'm out of ideas. Wife is getting ready to kill me for the money we've spent on this old car -- it looks great inside, but its gonna burn up if we don't get a handle on the heat!! :sick: There's no oil in the water, no water in the oil...no smoke, gets 29 MPG on the hwy., so gaskets seem good. Has good power & drives great when running -- though there is a huge increase in pick-up at about 2500 RPM when first taking off I'm not used to (fastest 4 cylinder I've driven, & its non-turbo), but this heating problem in the winter will only get worse in a Mississippi summer. HELP!!! HELP!!! Plz write back to torimeredith@yahoo.com if you have any ideas or solutions. THANKS!
When re-filling your coolant, how do you do it? You need to back-fill the engine block via filling it through the upper radiator hose in order to elminate an air bubble in the top of the engine. Very common, but very annoying. When I first got in the biz of doing 30k and 60k changes on the WRX we had our first customer's car in there for 2 days. Finally realized it needed to be back-filled.
Gotta agree. After going OCD on my black Forester, I am so much more at peace with my silver Legacy wagon. While I just love the deep, wet look of finely detailed black paint, I just don't have the time to keep it up like that anymore.
Replace "silver Legacy wagon" with "gray Forester" and this would be an exact quote from me.
Thanks for input. The radiator is NOT cold -- in fact, it is overflowing into overflow and I have to add water to replace what is coming out. I have not backfilled, but I do ALWAYS open the burp valve, right by that hose. Shouldn't that take care of any potential bubble??? I'm taking it back to shop today or tomorrow to see if the water pump is working now, as I cannot drive 15 miles from a cold, full start w/o overheating. It does cool quickly, though.
hmm if the rad is getting hot, then probably isn't the bubble in the top of the engine. It appears as though the rad may be plugged or the T-stat is no good.
We have already been through 2 thermostats and we boiled them first to make sure they opened. I am going to flush the system one more time, radiator and all, and see what happens. As engine cools and sucks water back from the overflow the top hose from radiator to engine sucks itself shut. Is this normal?
Nope, that's not normal, the hoses should not be collapsing at all. This is good info though, as this is narrowing down the issue, I would try back filling it, it seems like there is no water in the top of the engine and it's collapsing that upper rad hose.
Yup, combination of the collapsed hose and the cold rad, I'll say it's 99% chance of it being the bubble. We also tested via the boiling method the first time we had this issue and were perplexed.
Remove the upper rad hose from the rad and back-fill into the top of the engine, fill the rad up to the upper rad hole and then jam on the upper hose, clamp it down and top off the radiator.
I might be driving up north the beginning of June with Michael, who needs to be in NJ on the 7th for camp orientation. We would most likely be also stopping in Baltimore to check out Johns Hopkins' Peabody Institute Recording Arts and Science program, then up to Jersey and NY for NYU's Music Technology and Recorded Music programs, and then on to Boston to Berklee College of Music's Music Production and Engineering program. It's a good chance to get together with some of you. More to follow. Serge
This morning when I pulled over on my way to work because of the over heating, the hose DID NOT collapse so back filling definitely got rid of the bubble. Both fans are running (not when the defrost or air conditioner is turned on, though, then only one fan runs). Could it be a bad water pump? Somehow we are losing the water. I don't know how, but somehow.
Well you are probably losing it when it overheats and boils out the overflow tank.
Problem I have is that if it is the water pump, then you would not have a hot radiator, you would have a hot engine block and sensor, but the rad would stay cold as the fluid is not being circulated. Same would go for a T-stat and a bubble.
I would keep topping it off, maybe there is still a bit of a bubble somewhere causing it not to circulate?
When it was overheating now, was the rad HOT to touch? Before the rad was COLD, which would be a result of the coolant not flowing, either due to blockage, air bubble, T-stat not opening, or water pump not pumping.
I guess, because I'm so involved with finding automotive news for Straightline, there weren't any really "surprises" for me at NY.
I was happy to see the new Ford Econolines and the redesigned Dodge Sprinter, however.
Biggest disappointment: Not being able to sit in the new Impreza and the 5+2 Tribeca. Note that Subaru no longer calls the 7-passenger a "7-passenger," but rather a "5+2," which makes sense from a marketing standpoint, I think. Also, it's now in step with how Subaru markets the Tribeca overseas.
Nice to meet Charles though. It's always nice to meet Crew Members at events like this.
I also like the 5+2 designation and even suggested it here a few months back when Bob said that's how they designated it overseas as an "honest" way of selling it.
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I'm going with the quartz metallic SpecB
-mike
Cheers Pat.
Really, with all the silver and champagne colored cars out there, I prefer the black or dark blue to not blend in with the others.
-Brian
I guess I'm of the mindset that black or tan or silver or red, the swirls, scrapes, scratches are all there (and I know they're there), just disguised a bit. I haven't tired of cars or taking care of 'em just yet and try not to fret too much over the swirls and whatnot.
Now, I wouldn't have minded if that dark grey on the Legacy was available on my XT when I got it in '04....
-Brian
-mike
Thought of the new Bronze metallic? I bet the wife wouldn't pick that one, though. Maybe they'll have something in that color when you visit NY.
I like the color in the press photos, actually. The wife did, too.
No black, eh? Realistically this will be the family transport so low maintenance would be best.
I'm thinking Silver or Atlantic Blue. Hey, maybe when the colors come out, I'll put it up for a vote. :shades:
Oh, and sorry about that thunder/lightning with severe downpours earlier this week. That was me. Yep, you guessed it, I washed all 3 cars. The storm came less than 24 hours later.
daughter and I are enjoying the "springtime" weather of fort benning GA as the temps might hit 65 today .... it's 28 at home with snow showers ... (yay) ... we head back in the next day or two ...
Somebody better bring hot chocolate or maybe some hot spiced cider to the chat tonight!!
I like it well enough now, and, with just entering "breakup" (aka, MUCK season!), it looks far cleaner than my dark green '96 ever did! I will give it a good wash/wax at the end of the month before I sell it, and I imagine it will sparkle like a jewel.
Black looks dirty from dust 5 min after you're done drying it!
(But it does look really good for 5 min!)
No one commented on the looks of the new Rex?! Maybe we're all too old here to buy one? (Bob excluded
I'm so bored with my Camry I'm looking at buying something more "fun".
tom
After 2-3 days of pollen (it's pollen season, big time), you see a thin yellow film on my Forester, which is dark green (Acadia Green Metallic).
My wife's car still looks clean. It's a light green metallic, and you can't tell. Yet they were washed on the same day.
The Miata is white, and I can't say I like white either. It is HORRIBLE in the fall, because wet brown leaves put tea-colored stains all over the thing. It's probably worse than the pollen on my dark paint.
So I'd prefer to avoid anything too light, or anything too dark. That's why a medium blue or silver appeals to me.
You couldn't pay me to own another black car, like loosh it almost drove me into a rubber room.
No matter how careful you are the thing is always full of swirls. Now I know they are there in the Titan but I cannot see them unless I look close, wheras on a black car you can see them from half a mile away.
Cheers Pat.
Ken
(To which I chuckle, since even after a detailing you'd have to be half blind to miss the crack in the front bumper skin, the parallel parking scrapes, or the swirled paint. But she does clean up real good.)
Ken
While I always thought of the Outback sedan as a bit of an oddball, we own a wagon and I'm surprised they abandoned the segment they basically own (AWD wagons).
This being the case even though I am not in the market now or in the near future, things change and I can tell you right now! :mad:
No legacy wagon!!!! and Subaru loses me as a buyer. I came to Subaru when Honda dropped the Accord wagon.
Cheers Pat.
Bob
Why they waited all this time until they *finally* put a turbo engine in it and then discontinue it in three years is a mystery to me. Did LGT wagon sales slow that much after the performance bump?
Ken
I think what they are doing is good, despite what critics may say, they are differentiating the OB and Legacy lines a bit. Non-subaru folks always saw the OB as the wagons and the legacies as the sedans anyway. This way they can just go in and look for what they want.
However with that said, I think they should sell an Outback Tarmac or something like that, which essentially is a LGT Wagon, this would keep the "outback" theme however it would give folks who really want a LGT Wagon what they want.
-mike
Cheers Pat.
Cheers Pat.
Bob
Looking forward to our first points race May 19-20 at Beaverun in PA.
-mike
Also when it's overheating, is the rad ice cold?
-mike
Replace "silver Legacy wagon" with "gray Forester" and this would be an exact quote from me.
Ed
-mike
-mike
Remove the upper rad hose from the rad and back-fill into the top of the engine, fill the rad up to the upper rad hole and then jam on the upper hose, clamp it down and top off the radiator.
Let us know how it works out.
-mike
I shared my thoughts on the 08 Tribeca in this post:
ateixeira, "Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)" #8045, 10 Apr 2007 11:18 am
Mark my words, especially the part about the 99% of people not understanding that the EPA mpg ratings will change for all 08 models.
Spoke to Patti on the phone on the way back, and also to paisan. It was good to catch up with people.
-juice
Serge
You should be able to idle all day long w/o overheating it. I'll see if I can think of anything else.
-mike
Problem I have is that if it is the water pump, then you would not have a hot radiator, you would have a hot engine block and sensor, but the rad would stay cold as the fluid is not being circulated. Same would go for a T-stat and a bubble.
I would keep topping it off, maybe there is still a bit of a bubble somewhere causing it not to circulate?
When it was overheating now, was the rad HOT to touch? Before the rad was COLD, which would be a result of the coolant not flowing, either due to blockage, air bubble, T-stat not opening, or water pump not pumping.
-mike
Lucien is close by, and so is Hutch. Bob's not too far, and I'm a bit farther south but I'll try to make it up, too.
:shades:
I was happy to see the new Ford Econolines and the redesigned Dodge Sprinter, however.
Biggest disappointment: Not being able to sit in the new Impreza and the 5+2 Tribeca. Note that Subaru no longer calls the 7-passenger a "7-passenger," but rather a "5+2," which makes sense from a marketing standpoint, I think. Also, it's now in step with how Subaru markets the Tribeca overseas.
Nice to meet Charles though. It's always nice to meet Crew Members at events like this.
Bob
I also like the 5+2 designation and even suggested it here a few months back when Bob said that's how they designated it overseas as an "honest" way of selling it.
-mike