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  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    thought it was working again last night and this morning, but didn't see the 11 messages in here show up. so, I think I'll be using the subaru crew topics page from now on, since at least that shows NEW when it should. (and the moderators were silent still...)

    I'd have to check for sure, but I *think* even our sube owner's manuals have a warning about trying to setup a slick-like situation for 'testing' purposes. maybe it was my chevy Z71 manual though.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Peugoet? They were well behind Subaru in the manufacturer's points. Money talks, I guess.

    Even after updating my subsciptions, none of the Owners Clubs topics are showing up in my Message Center.

    -juice
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    I'm here! Since I rarely use the subscription feature (way too time consuming for me..I subscribe to all of them!), I wasn't aware there was even a problem. I checked for the Crew in my Message Center...first time, the discussions with unread messages showed. I exited and hit center again, and that time they didn't. Repeat, and it did, and didn't. So, it appears to be an intermittent problem.

    It's been reported, but I have no idea of a fix time frame. For the time being, please access the Crew the "old-fashioned" way. I'll post any news when I hear it.

    KarenS
    Host
    Owner's Clubs
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Hello Tommi.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    For the Past week I have had a hell of a time getting into the townhall, I keep getting messages that the site is not responding since this is the only site i am experiencing problems with I think the problem is with Edmunds.

    Even after getting into townhall it takes forever to bring up the topics.

    Cheers Pat.
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    I think I'm going to start calling certain people "Subaru [non-permissible content removed]". It appears to them that *no* vehicle can possibly compare to a Subaru. You know who you are.

    Whilst enthusiasm is good, blind belief in something which may not hold true, isn't.

    You might want to blind yourself, but if you don't like differing opinions about Subarus, well sorry. Not everyone has had a perfect experience with Subaru, and not everyone thinks they're the best vehicle for every purpose. Otherwise every car you saw on the road would be a Subaru, wouldn't it?

    I'm sorry I have to write something like this, but I am seriously getting tired of misplaced evangelism. This is a site to talk about Subarus and related experiences, and not to bolster one's ego in choice of vehicle. Honest acceptance of faults in the brand is as important as noting the strengths.

    -- Ash
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    BTW, and speaking of Edmunds problems: I've been having a problem with "Web-X" in that it seems to take forever to load different forums. Anybody else having that problem recently?

    Bob
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I agree with your post in the sense that a healthy enthusiasm for one's vehicle of choice is a good thing but can become fanatical and one-sided if left unmonitored by said individual. After having said that, I don't find the fanatism that you complain about here on the Soob boards and I read them religiously. I think that most of the regular posters (and you know who you are) are most objective...despite the fact that they own a Subaru. :-) In fact, if anything, they are much harder (myself included) on the Subaru brand because they expect a lot from them.

    If you want a terribly sickening display of out-of-bounds fanatism go check out the BMW 3-series board. If one doesn't agree with the posts there and posts something contray, it's like being burned at the stake! :-)

    Stephen
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    How's that for playing both sides of the fence. :)

    Bob
  • thecatthecat Member Posts: 535
    Bob - I was impressed with the ramp test. It clearly showed the vehicles ability to keep moving with only one wheel having traction. As to the VDC being able to do that, all I can say is .. PATTI ? While I'm sure every Mfgr. finds a way to demonstrate the superiority of their product, I thought this was a pretty good demo.

    Ash - Nah nah naah na nahhh nah....

    - hutch
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Ditto (a.k.a. Bob)
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    And to think some people are offended by a four letter word that rhymes with nice and begins with "r". I find [non-permissible content removed] completely more offensive than r--e and think it should be banned from this board. (Hosts - feel free to delete this paragraph)

    I brought up the VDC comparo because Subaru wasn't just *saying* it could beat an M-class and an X5 in traction tests (as they did at the BMW drive), they had those cars there.

    My very first post on this forum was with a major clutch issue and problems I was having with a dealer. I warned another poster to be careful with this dealer. My faith in Subaru was thin at the time and has since been restored.
    Fact is, most Subaru's are in a class by themselves. No other car in the U.S can be bought for $20,000.00 and comes with AWD.

    Whilst (woo-hoo, I can use proper English too :-D) I have had the privilege of working for European and British companies and developed more of an appreciation for other cars, this IS a Subaru owner's board.

    Stephen's comments are right on, I was reading his posts on the BMW board and he was smacked around and ridiculed for being there. Something along the lines of "why do you even post here if you don't own a BMW!".

    Hence, I am therefore stepping up my fight and "blind belief" even more.

    Dennis
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    I don't know .. saying that another manufacturer has rigged their tests, or complaining that a review wasn't fair can be played both ways. Or listing all the faults of another vehicle while hiliting all the positives of your own, isn't exactly fair play.

    Manufacturers aren't fully innocent I'll agree. But that includes every manufacturer. Auto reviewers may be biased to certain platforms, but that also includes biases towards Subaru.

    As for fanaticism, I never accused anyone of being fanatic. In fact I'm sorry if what I said appears as an accusation (and it likely does) of blind enthusiasm.

    I've owned a Subaru too. I like them. But they are far from perfect; and they have lots of GOOD competition, AWD, or 2WD.

    Yes, it is a board for Subaru owners. Point taken.
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    you've never heard of the Soup [non-permissible content removed] from Seinfield? (sic) If they can say it on American public television surely you can say it here.

    I apologize in advance for any hard feelings I cause anyone.

    I think differing opinions are good.
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    continue. Oddly enough, I still get the Forester posts when I go to the message board, but no others. This has been happening since Friday! Argh!! On another topic, I don't feel that there is excessive pressure to be only positive about Subaru although the enthusiasm does sometimes get a bit extreme. I understand some people even give names to the cars. :~)

    Ross
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The big difference that I was trying to point out was that Bob(?) was told by the BMW rep that a VDC could not pass this test.
    OTOH, at SoA's little track day they actually had these other vehicles there.

    Saying the VDC's AWD system is as good or better than an X5 or M-class isn't exactly saying the entire vehicle is better than a $50,000 car. Ash, have a cup of tea and relax. :-)

    Dennis
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    I apologize for the statement "You know who you are". It wasn't meant to mean "a single person" at all. And all this isn't about the VDC vs X5 or M-class. I've been feeling like this after reading the owner boards for over two years now. Obviously I keep reading them because I think there's good stuff too, and I like you folks. Just concerned about over-evangelism. Great, I think I've dug my own grave here. I'll shut up now.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Just in case anyone missed it.

    The WRX was named car of the decade beating out competition such as Ferrari, Porsche and McLaren.

    ;-) Also made Autocar's top performance car of all time (I'll find that link later).


    - Dennis

    http://www.autoweb.com.au/start_180/showall_/id_SUB/doc_sub9911191/article.html

  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    I invite you to spend more time in our boards, with an open mind, and I believe you will see the goodness and integrity of the members I have had the pleasure of getting to "know". :-)

    Greg
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Just to be clear...I still agree with the overall intent of your post. It's worth remembering just to make sure that we stay objective no matter how much we may "love" our Subarus...oh yeah...and each other. Ok...now I'm starting to tear up...I'll stop! :-)

    Dennis: BTW, thanks for witnessing my bashing at the hands of the Bimmer crowd. It was tough because I really like BMW's but the stigma is a you know what! None of that here in the land of Subaru! :-)

    Stephen
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hmm, I didn't know that Rice was banned from this board? I just thought we couldn't refer to rice-burners or Riced out cars on here. I forgot we are living in Afghanistan on this board!

    As for AWD, Ash, you say there are other AWD cars that can compare to the subies? Last I checked there were none in the $20K price range.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, I was the one claiming that BMW cheated. But I believe I provided at least some evidence to back up my theory (their change of tone on the 2nd day when talking about the VDC, and the severely worn tires on the competing RX300).

    I stand by my claim. It's bogus for them to rig tests to their advantage. To be totally fair, they ought to have a representative from Audi and another from Lexus representing and even driving their cars.

    Mercedes was fair. They compared their own car to itself, minus ESP. Also, they had competitive test drives where you could drive a C class back-to-back with an Audi and a Bimmer, plus a few others.

    I don't think it's too much to ask for a level playing field. And something better than "I don't think so" and then "the VDC cannot climb the ramp" on any given day. Gimme a break. He was full of it - he has no idea if the VDC would make it up that ramp, and I bet a cold brewski it would.

    I am a fanatic. Absolutely. I love cars. Everything about them. It's my hobby. My wife thinks I'm nuts, and she's probably right. But is that enthusiasm limited to just Subaru? Heck no, else why would I be trying Bimmers, Benzes, Altimas, Protoge5s, not to mention the Miata I happen to own.

    But will I sit back and watch a marketing guru twist the facts? Sorry, it's just not in me.

    -juice
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    I would like to spend more time in the Toyota boards, but, find that there are not a lot of discussions. Mainly people complaining with little help from other members.
    Perhaps I should try to change the culture instead of complaining. :-o

    Greg
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    I said I'd shut up ..

    "As for AWD, Ash, you say there are other AWD cars that can compare to the subies? Last I checked there were none in the $20K price range."

    Well not in the $20K price range, but certainly in the price range of the VDC and WRX. The WRX might be a rocket in comparision to the Audi A4, but the Audi's got better materials and in my opinion, better looks. The VDC .. well the sales of that model speak for themselves.

    So yes, there are other cars that compare to Subes.

    (Hey, at least I've succeeded in stirring up discussion! :)
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    I appreciate ALL of the opinions here. I share all of it. However, it would be silly for me to try to say my opinions would be unbiased, they are. (Surprised??? - I think not)!

    That being said - I have my own set of values and I will not/do not say something that I do not believe in or that is not truthful.

    I do think, however, that we need to be sensitive to the terminology we use sometimes. One of the things that really has me impressed with this board is the level of respect folks feel for each other (contrary to other boards). I don't think Ash meant anything bad - but maybe we can be a bit more sensitive?

    Thanks for letting me share!

    Patti
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    My bad. I'm sorry for using that word.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'll have to check out the BMW forums. I'm due for some abuse... ;)

    Bob
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Bob, if memory serves me well, you've mentioned a recent write-up on WRX in Automobile? I checked my Oct issue of Automobile and could not find anything on WRX. Which issue did you refer to?

    tx,

    --Kate
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    So then in the price range of 90% of the subarus sold, there is nothing that provides the features and AWD, case closed. :)

    If I was at the BMW event and owned a VDC or even and OB w/ rear LSD, I'd have challenged em on the spot, of course they would have run some BS like "our insurance won't cover" or blah blah blah... But those of you who know me personally, know I'd have opened my big mouth! :)

    -mike
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    My argument exactly, why would,nt any outback or Gt for that matter with the rear limited slip diff by able to make it.

    For Gods sake as I under stand it, that is the purpose of a limited slip rear diff in an AWD vehicle, and if nothing else it is totally bad form to bash another vehicle when they did not have the guts to have it there for a fair comparison.

    Just my 2cents.

    Cheers Pat.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    ...haven't we already talked about what the Town Hall does and does not allow? Yeah...we did...so let's move on and not dwell on it.

    I came back late (late for me) to let you know the "word" about the message center problem...fwiw...

    "What is probably happening here is that people are bookmarking their subscriptions page. When you do this, the web browser may load a cached version of the page. What the user needs to do when this happens is click ctrl-refresh to reload the page and clear the cache."

    That's the word...let me know if I need to reply with a "Wrongo, bucko!"

    KarenS
    Host
    Owner's Clubs
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Not to mention tires.

    I've seen the same Isuzus go up an incline on an off-road trail. 100% same vehicles, except one had X tire and the other had Y tire. X made it, Y didn't.

    You'd need to have same or similar tires on them to truely test it. So many factors, unrelated to the AWD system playing in there.

    -mike
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    no, I bookmark the subaru community page and go to that. happens at work too (where my browser clears the cache when you close it). I thought that might have been the problem, so I closed IE, cleared the cache, rebooted and still didn't get the message center to match the subaru crew owners club page. once yesterday it matched and a couple of times tonight. seems to miss the crew topics, the other linked discussions seem ok (at least for me).

    fwiw, you can force a page refresh in IE by holding the CTRL key down when you hit the refresh button. but, I'm sure we all know that trick.

    -Brian
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Um, that's dead wrong about the msg center.

    I don't have it bookmarked. I hit the "msg center" button at the bottom of the screen. It displays all the new msgs in non-owner's club-specific subscribed groups. The answer he gave you was the usual IT answer to a users question (I know the std suite of answers they/we give) :)

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hmmm... must be having senior moment here. I don't remember that. There's nothing in the November issue. There is the WRX vs. Audi vs. BMW 330xi in the Oct issue of Car & Driver. Is that what you're referring to?

    Bob
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    I'm 675 messages behind in this forum, with half a dozen forums to go. Just thought I'd let y'all know that I and my Legacy GT are still alive and well. Racking up the miles these days, long commute. WRX wheels purchased for winter tire mounting, anyone jealous should visit i-Club as there are WRX wheels on sale daily there. More as time permits, which with job and commute and house project probably means about 675 messages from now :-/ I'll try to post pics of the GT with WRX rims.

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    Glad to hear things are good with you and your Subaru's.

    Patti
  • thecatthecat Member Posts: 535
    Okay Lucy .. I'm gonna splain dis one more tine. (gotta be old to appreciate that one)

    The ramp was designed so that only one (1) tire was on solid surface at any given time. Three tires were always on rollers. So LSD alone, would not deal with the situation. Well maybe the Tim Leary kind but not Limited Slip Diffy.

    It was an impressive test of AWD. What other vehicles can climb the ramp .. I have no idea. I'm sure my Forester and WRX will not.

    - Hutch
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    *Loosh drumming fingers on table, scrolling through 50 posts from Tuesday. Loosh hits Hutch's Timothy Leary comment and busts out laughing*

    Now Mike, let's not get carried away. I don't think Karen is going to ban you from posting unless you grow a beard! :)

    Plus if you WERE living in Afghanistan on the board, you wouldn't be posting because your telecom infrastructure would fit in GLAD sandwich bag right about now.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    What a way to start the day! Good one! ;~}
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Here is a sad pic set...


    http://www.clubdub.org/dububb/Forum5/HTML/000572.html


    -mike

  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    definitely have the i-clubbers beat in the static dept. [rolleyes]

    Dennis
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    To be honest, I thought their response was lame, but I'm just the messenger.

    Thanks for the feedback, subearu and paisan, I'm going to throw your posts in their faces and say, "Oh yeah??? Why don't you LOOK at it before assuming a solution!" *stomping foot*

    I've used the message center several times now since reporting the problem, and it's worked fine for me. So, if it continues to fail for you, it would be helpful if you could keep a log of the exact steps you take before accessing it. Not sure if that will help, but if they can't duplicate the problem...well...you know the answer I'll get.

    KarenS
    Host
    Owner's Clubs
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    A HUGE HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU...MAY THE YEAR BRING YOU ONLY HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND A WRX!
    Serge
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    Is it true?? Another year older?
    Hope you have a great day! Take Sandy for a nice spirited spin on your favorite winding road.
    Ron
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I knew that gray hair would catch up to you. ;)

    Bob
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    So, is there going to be a WRX in your driveway as a big surprise from all of your family, friends and admirers? Heck we'd have to only knock in about $1 each to make it happen???

    Have a great day and a great year. Thanks for all that you do here at Edmunds.

    Patti
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Hippo birdie two ewe
    Hippo birdie two ewe
    Hap pee Bwirth day Juice!

    -Dave

    p/s Besides Juice & myself, who else have their day in October?
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    And a special thanks to kirstie_h/Roving Host for filling in for me for a few days. (A very unexpected, sad family situation.)

    I had planned to start a new discussion titled "Subaru Crew New Year's Resolutions" last week, but didn't get to it before leaving town. SO, it may be late, but I'm starting it anyway. Look for it on the list.

    KarenS
    Host
    Owner's Clubs
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