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driver100 · July 2020

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.

Got a call back on the Charger. Went through the list. Oil change, coolant change, trans service, brake fluid change, intake cleaning, new oil pressure sender, thermostat, tightened up various components on the front end, alignment, tire rotation and balance .... $3300!

That seems a bit steep. Did you check out reviews first? When I needed some body work done I used Angie's List, one of the garages had about 50 reviews all 5 stars. Same with my Indie European garage in Tampa area....very professional and honest.

Michaell · July 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.

My sister took it to her trusted independent mechanic (her FIL used him for 20+ years). Based on feedback from the CCBA thread, I was expecting belts, hoses, tires to need attention, along with other deferred maintenance.

Turns out it only needed an oil change and a transmission fluid flush - $250 total.

To say I was surprised would be an understatement.

It does need some cosmetic work done - it's missing some of the chrome window trim, and the passenger side rear view mirror is cracked and needs to be replaced.

Mechanically, the cruise control doesn't work, and there is a known issue with the fuel filler setup that makes it difficult to fill the gas tank.

Her kids will be driving it to Atascadero on Saturday for a wedding - just over 300 miles, one way.

Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
That would make a great winter car for someone with an expensive toy they don’t want to see salt. It would sell in 5 minutes in the rust belt.

Won’t you miss all the tech of a modern car?

It has a double DIN stereo, so I figure I can swap out a CarPlay and XM equipped head unit; maybe look into upgrading the speakers.

Beyond that, for something I'll drive 5-6K per year, I don't think I'd miss a lot of the tech features. And, I'd still have the Subaru if I wanted something more modern.

What's good is that my insurance would actually go down if/when I add it to the policy - the multi-car discount I'd qualify for would be more than the cost of the comprehensive policy I'd put on the Sonata.

driver100 · July 2020

cdnpinhead said:

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.
And yet some people use this crook as "the guy." Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Wrong on 2 counts;
1) Costly things to fix I would rather buy new if possible, and
2) Always check reviews or word of mouth.....if using "The Guy" you have to be able to find the right "Guy".

andres3 · July 2020

driver100 said:
kyfdx Realistic was Radio Shack's house brand.

I forgot about that link....good old Radio Shack, handy place to run to when you needed a bulb or a wire - miss them.

Radio Shack - replaced by Amazon and the like. Pretty sure anything Radio Shack ever sold can be found on Amazon.

I'm having a helluva time getting my new universal Logitech/Harmony remote to work right and be smart about things. This is my first Harmony remote purchase in at least 5 years, so that's like several generations when it comes to tech.

Is it just me, or did Harmony go bad since Logitech bought it? The remote seems way DUMBER than my Harmony universal remotes from years and years ago, and the only improvement seems to be...... nothing.... This might have to be an Amazon return....

driver100 · July 2020

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.

Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

andres3 · July 2020

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.
And yet some people use this crook as "the guy." Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Wrong on 2 counts;
1) Costly things to fix I would rather buy new if possible, and
2) Always check reviews or word of mouth.....if using "The Guy" you have to be able to find the right "Guy".

A lot of the "guys" are hacks though.

A lot of the "guys" are criminals too.

And lastly, a lot of the "guys" are liars.

So when you find the right guy, keep them.

driver100 · July 2020

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.
The question is does Canada count Covid deaths the same way as the U.S. does? It is suspected that the U.S. death toll is highly inflated as many people who are counted as a Covid death actually died of other causes like a motorcycle crash.

Counting is done different in different places, but our methods would be similar to yours. Using that as a reason for different counts is a real stretch.....some may be diagnosed incorrectly, but the large difference in numbers of infected (3X) and who died (almost double) proportionately is the important calculation.

Michaell · July 2020

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

That's it! Mom's is burgundy with a tan cloth interior, and faux wood on the dash.

My dad always thought it evoked a Jaguar like theme to the styling.

He was prepared to buy a Camry, but found he could get the Sonata with the V6 for the same price as a Camry 4-cylinder.

driver100 · July 2020

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
kyfdx Realistic was Radio Shack's house brand.

I forgot about that link....good old Radio Shack, handy place to run to when you needed a bulb or a wire - miss them.
Radio Shack - replaced by Amazon and the like. Pretty sure anything Radio Shack ever sold can be found on Amazon.

But at Radio Shack you could take your part and show it to "the Guy", and they were good at helping you out. They have even helped us with things we bought somewhere else. Or they could help to show you things too....though Youtube does that now. Maybe check Youtube for your Harmony Remote. I watched a youtube video on how to wrap an overgrip on a tennis racket and I did a perfect job the first time!

stickguy · July 2020

Yes, having someone you know and trust is important. But the key is getting the estimate first. If you knew in advance it was going to be out of line, you wouldn’t say go ahead.

Or drive to Kansas and take it to the wizard! He practically rebuilt a Lamborghini for $5,100.

snakeweasel · July 2020

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.
The question is does Canada count Covid deaths the same way as the U.S. does? It is suspected that the U.S. death toll is highly inflated as many people who are counted as a Covid death actually died of other causes like a motorcycle crash.
You mean if someone dies in a motorcycle crash and they test positive (even if no symptoms) they'll blame Covid-19? Seems like similar logic to blaming speed.

Speed and Corona are the scapegoats.

In the U.S. they are counting all deaths of those infected as a Civid death regardless of the actual cause. Because of this the death count is inflated.

snakeweasel · July 2020

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.
The question is does Canada count Covid deaths the same way as the U.S. does? It is suspected that the U.S. death toll is highly inflated as many people who are counted as a Covid death actually died of other causes like a motorcycle crash.
Counting is done different in different places, but our methods would be similar to yours. Using that as a reason for different counts is a real stretch.....some may be diagnosed incorrectly, but the large difference in numbers of infected (3X) and who died (almost double) proportionately is the important calculation.

If two places count things differently then you cannot accurately compare the two counts without adjusting one to be comparable to the other.

qbrozen · July 2020

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.

Got a call back on the Charger. Went through the list. Oil change, coolant change, trans service, brake fluid change, intake cleaning, new oil pressure sender, thermostat, tightened up various components on the front end, alignment, tire rotation and balance .... $3300!
That seems a bit steep. Did you check out reviews first? When I needed some body work done I used Angie's List, one of the garages had about 50 reviews all 5 stars. Same with my Indie European garage in Tampa area....very professional and honest.

Yup. All excellent reviews.

I think I posted about the types of cars there when I dropped it off. Yes, high-end place.

Based on the numbers, it seems like the place that goes by the book for each individual thing rather than having the sense to combine. For example, you are already doing the coolant, so you shouldn't be charging full price for a thermostat swap, which includes coolant. That kind of stuff.

I'll post more details when I get the bill. I know he was somewhere like $500 for the trans service, probably $100-$150 oil change, I think $400 coolant flush, and I'm not sure on the rest. Those were just the prices I saw on the board. And fingers crossed this is all I have to do for the next year.

pensfan83 · July 2020

We'll see what my BMW shop does but I've never dealt with an indie garage that did not try to nest labor costs where possible. I would be annoyed as hell.

fintail · July 2020

The problem is finding credible data to support those claims. Don't wait up.

However, if you have emphysema, and 'rona pushes you over the edge, it gets counted as COVID. As it should. Just as if I have cancer, and drive a sportbike off a highway ramp, I was killed on the road, not from cancer.

andres3 said:

You mean if someone dies in a motorcycle crash and they test positive (even if no symptoms) they'll blame Covid-19? Seems like similar logic to blaming speed.

Speed and Corona are the scapegoats.

fintail · July 2020

Fun related article - winning

graphicguy said:

One of my faves, too. Alas, we (U.S. Citizens) aren’t allowed there right now. But, I get it. Canada is under control. U.S. (at least some major areas) does not.

My county is making it easy for COVID testing. You don’t even have to get out of your car. I’ve been tested twice. Not fun, but taking advantage and staying safe.

tjc78 · July 2020

@qbrozen
Maybe once you see the itemized bill you can make a case for some of it and get it down

@andres3
I had a few Harmony remotes. I have to say I was never a big fan. They always ended up shelved and I would just use the Comcast remote for day to day actions and the receiver remote for deep dives.

fintail · July 2020

It's a Bluray, I am pretty sure. But my TV is around the same age (2010), so no reason to update it. This is the kind of material I will use until I move into a bigger space, or it fails.

The LED I bought in 2010 is a lot cheaper now, for sure. Fire stick works fine, I don't have many demands from a TV, as I am not really glued to it.

sound quality, even with mediocre internet service speeds is light years ahead of where they were 10 years ago.

driver100 · July 2020

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

That's it! Mom's is burgundy with a tan cloth interior, and faux wood on the dash.

My dad always thought it evoked a Jaguar like theme to the styling.

He was prepared to buy a Camry, but found he could get the Sonata with the V6 for the same price as a Camry 4-cylinder.

Definitely Jag like. I once heard they were made from old Mercedes plans....that were sold to them.

ab348 · July 2020

I have no knowledge of COVID reporting of cause of death, but having dealt with Public Health types locally for a long time, this sort of mis-reporting is not surprising as that is what they like to do. It is the same sort of thing they do for drinking, smoking, vaping and countless other ills and behaviors. If you look closely at their studies on such subjects you will see them attribute X-number of deaths to whatever is under scrutiny. But usually people don't have a single cause of disease that results in death. That thing that kills you probably had several contributors that led to its onset. But if they're studying drinking, and you drank, it gets chalked up to that. The same for smoking or eating certain foods or using certain products or whatever. Sometimes they adjust it to generate a fractional cause but often they do not. Public Health studies are among the worst I have seen for misleading the reader.

fintail · July 2020

No MB link I am aware of, just somewhat derivative styling before the brand evolved enough to design things with a little more independent thought.

driver100 said:

Definitely Jag like. I once heard they were made from old Mercedes plans....that were sold to them.

graphicguy · July 2020

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.

Got a call back on the Charger. Went through the list. Oil change, coolant change, trans service, brake fluid change, intake cleaning, new oil pressure sender, thermostat, tightened up various components on the front end, alignment, tire rotation and balance .... $3300!
That seems a bit steep. Did you check out reviews first? When I needed some body work done I used Angie's List, one of the garages had about 50 reviews all 5 stars. Same with my Indie European garage in Tampa area....very professional and honest.

Yup. All excellent reviews.

I think I posted about the types of cars there when I dropped it off. Yes, high-end place.

Based on the numbers, it seems like the place that goes by the book for each individual thing rather than having the sense to combine. For example, you are already doing the coolant, so you shouldn't be charging full price for a thermostat swap, which includes coolant. That kind of stuff.

I'll post more details when I get the bill. I know he was somewhere like $500 for the trans service, probably $100-$150 oil change, I think $400 coolant flush, and I'm not sure on the rest. Those were just the prices I saw on the board. And fingers crossed this is all I have to do for the next year.

Holy-Moly....I don’t care if the shop is “high end” or not. I never could understand why it costs so much more to change the oil or rotate the tires whether it’s an Audi, a Lamborghini, a Mercedes, etc vs a Chevy, a Ford, or a Dodge. It’s oil, it’s filters, it’s lug nuts off and on, etc.

Do they do it because it’s expected and have found a customer willing to pay those exorbitant prices?

omarman · July 2020

Rising prices for cars and just about everything else in demand makes me think that the Covid tax for living isn't going away and neither is "Rona."

Those labor charges on the Charger could have made a nice down payment on a side of beef.

stickguy · July 2020

GG, they charge them, because people expect it, and they can. Better off finding a guy with great references, that works on mainstream cars!

To be fair, some fancy cars really do cost more in parts, and labor time. But I doubt a charger is one of them.

graphicguy · July 2020

Heard on a news channel this a.m. stating FL had 217 deaths due to COVID just yesterday. While I was a sort of in a “roll with it” attitude up until this point, this is as bad as I’ve heard anywhere. Please stay safe down there.

dino001 · July 2020

Seems like for our governor as long as he stays healthy, things are fine...

imidazol97 · July 2020

stickguy said:
Not surprising. Areas that decided to ignore it or pretend it didn’t exist, and not follow very basic protocols (not Dayton specifically) are seeing surges. Who woulda guessed that? Other than all the scientists and experts, but hey, what do they know anyway?

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:
Not surprising. Areas that decided to ignore it or pretend it didn’t exist, and not follow very basic protocols (not Dayton specifically) are seeing surges. Who woulda guessed that? Other than all the scientists and experts, but hey, what do they know anyway?
Dont forget that over the past couple of months there have been ongoing large gatherings that has to be spreading Covid.

explorerx4 said:
Talked to my sister yesterday. She said Covid cases in the Dayton are are on the rise.
At one point, there were only a few people being hospitalized, but now the Covid section is at full capacity at the hospital where her husband is a doctor.

So here's a graph, data, for Dayton (Ohio). The riots were about May 30 as a reference for
when the cases spread and increased over the next two weeks and cascaded through contacts
as the cold virus spread.

In the first graph the last data point shows 5 new hospitalizations. The lowest bar is just before July 1 and that was a "1" for comparison on height, since there are no vertical axes labeled here. The total hospitalizations for the life of the cold/flu virus Sars2 is 554 which doesn't include 42 for which no date of entry is known.

The second chart is deaths which are attributed to China Virus, although that includes many questionable credits for those who died of other causes but had Covid or even were exposed to same such as by contact with a family member. My doctor sources says even a terminal cancer death was attributed to the Covid19.
The shortest bar is a "1."

The last chart is presumed recovered and is updated through July 7, 2020 and the height of that final entry is 73 cases.

The same doctor mentioned above pointed out in April that there was a whole hospital shut down in downtown for China Virus and it was "empty" according to the person in charge. No Covid patients and now regular patients.

We have more than one hospital and now the hospitals are handling other patients including surgeries and routine procedures. Another downtown hospital apparently was the primary landing for Covid patients. There are 3 large downtown area hospitals and 3 perimeter hospitals. Normally ICU units are sized in the allocations from the State when they allow new hospital beds to have 95% occupancy. So nearly full may mean the patient goes to another of the 6 area hospitals.

Luckily I had my colonoscopy just a few days before shutdown in a clinic attached to one of our satellite hospitals. I couldn't have survived having to dread the procedure for 3 months until full operations resumed.

imidazol97 · July 2020

Florida

andres3 · July 2020

Tuning companies charge more for higher MSRP models than they do for lesser cost models. They claim the higher prices are justified not by the R8 owner's bank account size, but by the rarity of the quantity of owners of said model, and therefore, they predict less buyers to cover their R&D costs.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:
I remember now why I don't use mechanics.

Got a call back on the Charger. Went through the list. Oil change, coolant change, trans service, brake fluid change, intake cleaning, new oil pressure sender, thermostat, tightened up various components on the front end, alignment, tire rotation and balance .... $3300!
That seems a bit steep. Did you check out reviews first? When I needed some body work done I used Angie's List, one of the garages had about 50 reviews all 5 stars. Same with my Indie European garage in Tampa area....very professional and honest.

Yup. All excellent reviews.

I think I posted about the types of cars there when I dropped it off. Yes, high-end place.

Based on the numbers, it seems like the place that goes by the book for each individual thing rather than having the sense to combine. For example, you are already doing the coolant, so you shouldn't be charging full price for a thermostat swap, which includes coolant. That kind of stuff.

I'll post more details when I get the bill. I know he was somewhere like $500 for the trans service, probably $100-$150 oil change, I think $400 coolant flush, and I'm not sure on the rest. Those were just the prices I saw on the board. And fingers crossed this is all I have to do for the next year.

My “guy” would charge $70 tops for a full synthetic oil change. Maybe $100 for a transmission drain/fill with filter. And maybe $50 for a drain/fill on coolant. Granted a flush would cost more but those costs seem excessive.

stickguy · July 2020

Those are Maserati prices on a Chrysler.

explorerx4 · July 2020

I've been watching video's on how to not cut down trees.(Tree cutting fails).

Took down a couple of tall ones and nothing hit the house, although both fell toward it.
Had to cut them somewhat high up using a ladder. Still have to cut the lower portions to finish them up.

abacomike · July 2020

dino001 said:
Seems like for our governor as long as he stays healthy, things are fine...

Dino, please stop with the political comments - thank you!

stickguy · July 2020

Cutting trees is on my list of things that get outsourced to the Guy. To many potential bad outcomes!

Michaell · July 2020

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

That's it! Mom's is burgundy with a tan cloth interior, and faux wood on the dash.

My dad always thought it evoked a Jaguar like theme to the styling.

He was prepared to buy a Camry, but found he could get the Sonata with the V6 for the same price as a Camry 4-cylinder.
Definitely Jag like. I once heard they were made from old Mercedes plans....that were sold to them.

That's it! Even the same wheels. It's a good car, and the V6 puts out 170hp, so not a slouch. I think it even has the first generation manu-matic transmission.

andres3 · July 2020

So some of the cat is out of the bag regarding my insurance disputed between Progressive and USAA and the low-IQ Arbitration company they agreed to use between themselves.

Progressive wasn't fighting for that last 10% on my behalf for my interests, they were doing it for their own!

USAA paid me 90% instead of 70% because I complained to the Dept. of Insurance for their terrible handling (slow and delayed and ridiculous) of my December claim. They also made "payments in advance" of judgment, which is very rare for insurance companies to do!

The Arbitrator sliced me to 80%, so I got shorted $100 on my deductible by Progressive.

Turns out Progressive wanted to go to the arbitrator not for my 10% but for the dispute they were having with USAA on the repair bill!!!!! Something like 64% of the initial 70% was initially paid by USAA to Progressive. They needed arbitration to settle their own arguments with the repair bill!!! The 30 or 10% liability dispute was a "side matter" for them.

While the liability was my main concern, it certainly wasn't Progressive's! They'd have probably more smartly settled at 90% if the other items were not in dispute, as I would have settled for 90%.

Therefore, I'm asking USAA to give me another $100 to honor their previous letter stating they'll accept 90% blame, since I had nothing to do with BIASED ARBITRATION FORUMS INC.

In this way, I've suggested to them, we'll avoid small claims court and re-litigating this in a fairer venue. It's in both our interests to settle the matter.

I'm not necessarily bluffing either. I may want my pound of flesh. I don't like going backwards, and going 10% backwards from 90 to 80 is a bridge too far.

I'm sticking to my worldview that Insurance companies are pure evil employing nothing but rogues of humanity. This claim has not changed that viewpoint at all.

Not to get Political, but, this kinda thing can make the most Libertarian among us be in favor of Universal Healthcare. I just don't see myself grieving the loss of jobs at Aetna and others.

explorerx4 · July 2020

@stickguy,
I several other trees that need 'The Guy', although the last 2 trees I took own were over 40 feet.
Where I cut them was about 6 inches in diameter.
Cut a live tree today and that wood is a lot heavier than the big dead tree I took down a couple of days ago.

sda · July 2020

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

That's it! Mom's is burgundy with a tan cloth interior, and faux wood on the dash.

My dad always thought it evoked a Jaguar like theme to the styling.

He was prepared to buy a Camry, but found he could get the Sonata with the V6 for the same price as a Camry 4-cylinder.
Definitely Jag like. I once heard they were made from old Mercedes plans....that were sold to them.

That's it! Even the same wheels. It's a good car, and the V6 puts out 170hp, so not a slouch. I think it even has the first generation manu-matic transmission.

It looks nice in that color and wheels. Sunroof?

houdini1 · July 2020

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.

I apologize Mr. driver, you are correct. Here are the latest fatality rates from Johns Hopkins: I have to manually type it out as my chromebook can't seem to make attachments. Snake made some good points about counting also.

Corona virus deaths per 100,000.

Belgium 85.84
UK 68.44
Andora 67.53
Spain 60.83
Italy 58.04
Sweden 55.44
Chile 46.33
France 45.04
U.S. 43.40
Peru 42.45
Brazil 38.9
Canada 24.04

Michaell · July 2020

sda said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
@qbrozen - ouch!

Not sure if I've mentioned here, but my mom has stopped driving, and we recently moved her into a full time care facility close to my sister in San Diego. My sister has taken possession of my moms car - 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 with all of 39,000 miles on it.
Eventually, when I can get out to California, I'll drive the Sonata back and make it my DD.
Now that is a real find! And those 2003s were pretty nice looking. If you have the time you can fix it up a bit too....

That's it! Mom's is burgundy with a tan cloth interior, and faux wood on the dash.

My dad always thought it evoked a Jaguar like theme to the styling.

He was prepared to buy a Camry, but found he could get the Sonata with the V6 for the same price as a Camry 4-cylinder.
Definitely Jag like. I once heard they were made from old Mercedes plans....that were sold to them.

That's it! Even the same wheels. It's a good car, and the V6 puts out 170hp, so not a slouch. I think it even has the first generation manu-matic transmission.
It looks nice in that color and wheels. Sunroof?

Yep, sunroof too.

suydam · July 2020

Uh no. At least I can’t point to one single case of that happening. I could posit any possible scenario but without evidence it’s just a fun fiction.

ronsteve · July 2020

Canada COVID deaths: ~9000 among a population of ~35M, or about 250 per million population
USA COVID deaths: ~150,000 among a population of ~330M, or about 450 per million population

Far more people are dying from COVID in the States than in Canada, even on a per capita basis. And I don't think the death toll is being over-reported in the US, because there have been substantially more excess deaths than reported COVID deaths.

explorerx4 · July 2020

I don't think Canada has a metropolitan area that can compare population-wise to the NYC area.

driver100 · July 2020

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.
I apologize Mr. driver, you are correct. Here are the latest fatality rates from Johns Hopkins: I have to manually type it out as my chromebook can't seem to make attachments. Snake made some good points about counting also.
Corona virus deaths per 100,000.
Belgium 85.84
U.S. 43.40
Canada 24.04

You are forgiven Mr Houdini. Easy to get the numbers mixed up. The numbers in Canada are going down, numbers in the U.S. seem to be going up....that is a real sign post.

driver100 · July 2020

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
For those who don't believe people are having parties. This house party took place just outside of Toronto, estimate 200 people attended. There are 100 to 150 cars parked on the property....some who were there said the virus is fake.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-break-up-brampton-house-party-with-200-reportedly-inside-1.5663755
The homeowner could be fined $100000!
Well, you Canadaians are a wild bunch.

I heard of one guy who got fined for drinking his Tim Horton’s coffee in his car.
Generally, a great majority of Canadians are following the rules, and it seems to be working but doesn't take much to set things off and go downhill fast. People have been fined $800 for walking in a park or playing basketball etc. But, a huge house party with 200 people, and someone was even there to park the cars........ :@
Pretty strict rules in Canada, but their actual death rate is higher than the U.S.
Check your source Mr Houdini. I want to be careful because this virus can come back with a vengeance, but Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of deaths in the U.S. 151,000, number in Canada 9000. Number of cases, the United States has three million, while Canada has 107,000. Numbers can change, but that is the way it is now.
The question is does Canada count Covid deaths the same way as the U.S. does? It is suspected that the U.S. death toll is highly inflated as many people who are counted as a Covid death actually died of other causes like a motorcycle crash.
You mean if someone dies in a motorcycle crash and they test positive (even if no symptoms) they'll blame Covid-19? Seems like similar logic to blaming speed.

Speed and Corona are the scapegoats.
In the U.S. they are counting all deaths of those infected as a Civid death regardless of the actual cause. Because of this the death count is inflated.

Could be happening here too...no exact rules about counting deaths. Some covid deaths may be counted as something else too. But, our numbers are on a downswing now....that can change but that is a fact. Also, none of our hospitals are close to being strained at this time.

driver100 · July 2020

explorerx4 said:
I don't think Canada has a metropolitan area that can compare population-wise to the NYC area.

You had high numbers in NY and NJ...heavily populated. But we had high numbers from nursing homes...they represent 80% of the deaths from covid. That is a high number....we have a lot of troublesome nursing home situations......if you take that number out, our figure would be a lot lower too.

dino001 · July 2020

Miami Dade ICUs are reported at 146 percent capacity. Broward at nearly hundred, daily death moving average in Florida about quadrupled in several weeks. If you look at the charts below, it's clear it takes about two weeks for all death to be reported from a particular day. This probably means many more people died already and we are just starting seeing results of this early infection spike from late June now (which is still continuing at similar same rate). It takes two to four weeks for those acute cases to end terminally. I'm afraid we're going to see thousands or even tens of thousands of new dead in Florida in next month if not two.

abacomike · July 2020

Well, the 5:00 PM update predicts a category 1 hurricane as it moves northwest through the Bahamas and the east coast of Florida. It's expected to arrive here Saturday. Here we go again.🤓

explorerx4 · July 2020

@driver100,
Nursing home issue is the same here. CT had very high per capita numbers for a long time.
Sometimes higher than NY or NJ.
There are a lot of people in the great NYC area, say half of Canada's population but not spread out coast to coast..

dino001 · July 2020

Take care of yourself, Mike. I'm not worried for Tampa, I think by then it should weaken as long as it goes over land.

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