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oldfarmer50 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.

Wow, the big 6-0! You have reached the age where you are officially invisible to women.

snakeweasel · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.
Wow, the big 6-0! You have reached the age where you are officially invisible to women.

What do you mean reached? I've been invisible to women all my life.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.
Wow, the big 6-0! You have reached the age where you are officially invisible to women.
What do you mean reached? I've been invisible to women all my life.

Gee, that is really sad. No amount of car buying or car talking can help that.

Happy Birthday just the same.

jmonroe

abacomike · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY snake! Your just a kid! Many happy more birthdays!🤪😜🤓

explorerx4 · January 2021

@snakeweasel,
For your birthday, I applied for part D and part G. You'll find out about those in the fairly near future.

driver100 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.

Have a happy B-Day Snake:

driver100 · January 2021

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

First of all only take medical advice from medical professionals. With that said I might try aspirin over Tylenol as it is also an anti-inflammatory while Tylenol is not. But I would go back to your doctor and explain to him/her that it's not working and see if s/he can provide a prescription strength anti-inflammatory drug.
This week I got a newsletter in the mail from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation. I was surprised to see a piece there saying that aspirin as preventive therapy is no longer recommended due to side effects. I had not heard that previously. I wonder how many people who followed the original advice experienced problems. I still see TV ads for Bayer advising people to carry aspirin with them at all times and to chew 2 of them of they experience symptoms that might be a heart attack.

Aspirin in small doses is good for preventing a heart attack in certain people, and it can be risky for others. There are a lot of factors - it depends on age, your health, etc. - almost need a doctors opinion whether it is right for any individual.

tjc78 · January 2021

Happy Birthday @snakeweasel

driver100 · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.
Wow, the big 6-0! You have reached the age where you are officially invisible to women.
What do you mean reached? I've been invisible to women all my life.
Gee, that is really sad. No amount of car buying or car talking can help that.

Happy Birthday just the same.

jmonroe

Maybe he should get a 2018 Black Nissan Altima.....that seemed to work!

ab348 · January 2021

driver100 said:

Aspirin in small doses is good for preventing a heart attack in certain people, and it can be risky for others. There are a lot of factors - it depends on age, your health, etc. - almost need a doctors opinion whether it is right for any individual.

What I was trying to get across was that every doctor's opinion I heard up until recently has recommended aspirin therapy and many attested to doing the same thing themselves. The conventional wisdom has now apparently changed. I'm curious as to why.

stickguy · January 2021

my doctor has had me on the low does (81mg) regiment for years. every year at my physical I ask him about some of these reports questioning it, and he always still supports it. I would be more leery of taking higher doses.

hey, maybe it works, since I am not dead yet!

graphicguy · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.

I do have the “smoking gun”. Small claims is an option.

Glad to have the car back, though. For what it cost me to buy (about the same as a loaded Accord), I still love the Stinger.

You’d think I’d have learned my lesson by now. Just because it’s the cheapest price, doesn’t mean it’s the best deal.

Should stick to dealerships I trust from now on.

Going to apply pressure on the selling dealer. Sending letter to the GM with a copy of the PDI report.

graphicguy · January 2021

Happy B-Day @snakeweasel

venture · January 2021

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I do have the “smoking gun”. Small claims is an option.

Glad to have the car back, though. For what it cost me to buy (about the same as a loaded Accord), I still love the Stinger.

You’d think I’d have learned my lesson by now. Just because it’s the cheapest price, doesn’t mean it’s the best deal.

Should stick to dealerships I trust from now on.

Going to apply pressure on the selling dealer. Sending letter to the GM with a copy of the PDI report.

It's refreshing to step over to the dark side occasionally.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

First of all only take medical advice from medical professionals. With that said I might try aspirin over Tylenol as it is also an anti-inflammatory while Tylenol is not. But I would go back to your doctor and explain to him/her that it's not working and see if s/he can provide a prescription strength anti-inflammatory drug.
This week I got a newsletter in the mail from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation. I was surprised to see a piece there saying that aspirin as preventive therapy is no longer recommended due to side effects. I had not heard that previously. I wonder how many people who followed the original advice experienced problems. I still see TV ads for Bayer advising people to carry aspirin with them at all times and to chew 2 of them of they experience symptoms that might be a heart attack.
Aspirin in small doses is good for preventing a heart attack in certain people, and it can be risky for others. There are a lot of factors - it depends on age, your health, etc. - almost need a doctors opinion whether it is right for any individual.

Gee, just a few posts ago you were a judge now you’re a doctor. This could only happen in Canada.

jmonroe

bwia · January 2021

Thanks @snakeweasel, @oldfarmer, @ab348, @carnaught, @driver100 and @stickgy for chipping in on the pain control discussion and the use NSAIDs (a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug) and Tylenol (acetaminophen). While both medications are used to treat the same problem NSAIDs provide a bonus benefit by helping to reduce inflammation.
Meanwhile, my doctor has scheduled my first physical therapy session for Tuesday and hopes that might help, even though that might be quite painful. One silver lining in all of this is that if the nerves are not damaged the sciatica mysteriously goes away. I’m praying that happens sooner than later.

kyfdx · January 2021

bwia said:
Thanks @snakeweasel, @oldfarmer, @ab348, @carnaught, @driver100 and @stickgy for chipping in on the pain control discussion and the use NSAIDs (a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug) and Tylenol (acetaminophen). While both medications are used to treat the same problem NSAIDs provide a bonus benefit by helping to reduce inflammation.
Meanwhile, my doctor has scheduled my first physical therapy session for Tuesday and hopes that might help, even though that might be quite painful. One silver lining in all of this is that if the nerves are not damaged the sciatica mysteriously goes away. I’m praying that happens sooner than later.

I find that naproxen sodium (Aleve) works a lot better than ibuprofen. But, most indicators say not to use it over 60 yrs old.

bwia · January 2021

Thanks for the heads up Unfortunately, I'm over 60 so i will be extra cautious iin avoiding (Aleve) naproxen sodium.

imidazol97 · January 2021

bwia said:
Thanks @snakeweasel, @oldfarmer, @ab348, @carnaught, @driver100 and @stickgy for chipping in on the pain control discussion and the use NSAIDs (a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug) and Tylenol (acetaminophen).

Hey, I contributed too.

imidazol97 said:
Not sure what the "high dose" is. I believe Ibuprofen can go up to 800 mg in a doctor's dose. I'd
have to look up acetaminophen to see again. For both I'd eat with the pills AND maintain high water volume.

When I had my first attack of the infection in my tooth root, the doctor was out of office/town. The nurse suggested both acetaminphen and ibuprofen. Together. I took 600 Ibu and 400 aceta or 600 on first round. But I got relief without "borrowing" someone's stronger pain reliever. After a few hours, it was easier to maintain relief with lower dosing. Ibuprofen has a long half life of several hours IIRC, so it builds up in the blood after the first dose.

I am only reciting what I did and I recommend anyone check with their own doctor or dentist for advice.

I used stretching exercies for piriformis.
https://www.spine-health.com/video/sciatica-exercises-piriformis-syndrome-video

Piriformis syndrome is slow to recover. I've worked on it 9 months. The physical therapy exercises in videos from actual physical therapists on internet got me started occasionally stretching the offending muscle/nerve bundle.

Hopefully your therapist and your particular condition can be assuaged in a faster time than that. A good physical therapist is better than having a good doctor at times. My wife's PT from decade ago with first knee surgery has a Phd and a bunch of initials in that therapy stuff. He runs a therapy location for national company.

qbrozen · January 2021

Sorry, folks, I'm not old enough yet to worry about such things. I use NSAIDs quite a bit, but I don't have to be concerned about any side effects. I will say that acetaminophen was never effective for me, but now I try to mix it in to my rotation and I've found that 3 extra strength pills works OK. Naproxen Sodium is strong stuff, so I try to use that sparingly. It is what my doc put me on after my knee surgery, and it was so effective that it is kind of my go-to, but, again, I don't want to use it too often. Still a big ibuprofen fan, regardless of what the media claims. lol. So I rotate all 3 when needed.

driver100 · January 2021

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Aspirin in small doses is good for preventing a heart attack in certain people, and it can be risky for others. There are a lot of factors - it depends on age, your health, etc. - almost need a doctors opinion whether it is right for any individual.
What I was trying to get across was that every doctor's opinion I heard up until recently has recommended aspirin therapy and many attested to doing the same thing themselves. The conventional wisdom has now apparently changed. I'm curious as to why.

For most healthy people and especially people who have had a heart attack they are most likely to benefit from aspirin - since it thins the blood. But now, they find some people could be in more danger by taking aspirin. since it causes bleeding in some people, it could lead to a stroke, or ulcers or many other problems.

The short answer is it might benefit you and it might harm you....it depends on your health and what ailments you have.

bwia · January 2021

Sorry @Imid, I inadvertently left you out in the list of contributors. A thousand pardons and I hope you will forgive me.

While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.

driver100 · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

First of all only take medical advice from medical professionals. With that said I might try aspirin over Tylenol as it is also an anti-inflammatory while Tylenol is not. But I would go back to your doctor and explain to him/her that it's not working and see if s/he can provide a prescription strength anti-inflammatory drug.
This week I got a newsletter in the mail from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation. I was surprised to see a piece there saying that aspirin as preventive therapy is no longer recommended due to side effects. I had not heard that previously. I wonder how many people who followed the original advice experienced problems. I still see TV ads for Bayer advising people to carry aspirin with them at all times and to chew 2 of them of they experience symptoms that might be a heart attack.
Aspirin in small doses is good for preventing a heart attack in certain people, and it can be risky for others. There are a lot of factors - it depends on age, your health, etc. - almost need a doctors opinion whether it is right for any individual.

Gee, just a few posts ago you were a judge now you’re a doctor. This could only happen in Canada.

jmonroe

I have a broad range of information on a wide variety of topics......I was never interested in any one topic to specialize in something.

That makes me a more well rounded much more interesting individual.

bwia · January 2021

By the way, I forgot to mention that Noni is a very effective treatment for prostate health. Some swear that it's nature's answer to Viagra for both men and women. Here is an image of the fruit in its unripen state.

andres3 · January 2021

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.

Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.

cdnpinhead · January 2021

driver100 said:
That makes me a more well rounded much more interesting individual.

I think that's referred to as being a mile wide and an inch deep.

omarman · January 2021

Better practice roll out and work on RT before wagering big $ at the track. With or without start-stop, a little practice and consistency can make all the difference. Especially if you've got money on it.

ab348 · January 2021

bwia said:
While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.

I had never heard of Noni, so I looked it up. This was the first result that appeared:

Common side effects of noni_juice include:

Diarrhea (has laxative effect)
Acute hepatitis
Liver toxicity
Liver damage
High blood potassium (hyperkalemia)

Maybe I'll pass.

driver100 · January 2021

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.

Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?

driver100 · January 2021

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:
That makes me a more well rounded much more interesting individual.
I think that's referred to as being a mile wide and an inch deep.

Better than being a mile deep and an inch wide. (maybe I should think about that!)

driver100 · January 2021

ab348 said:

bwia said:
While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.
I had never heard of Noni, so I looked it up. This was the first result that appeared:

Common side effects of noni_juice include:

Maybe I'll pass.

I think of these magical cures as the Snake Oil Salesman of today. WebMD says:

People use noni for cancer, high blood pressure, athletic performance, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses. The FDA has issued multiple warnings to noni manufacturers about health claims that aren't supported by research.

It is supposed to cure cancer, improve hearing and lots of other things.....unless it has been proven to work and be safe under professional medical testing guidelines I'd be wary about trying it, especially because it doesn't even taste good!

imidazol97 · January 2021

bwia said:
Sorry @Imid, I inadvertently left you out in the list of contributors. A thousand pardons and I hope you will forgive me.

I know, we GM guys are easy to overlook. LOL

I would be interested in how your PT person diagnoses your version. My piriformis syndrome, for those who don't know, is like sitting on your pelvis bone on a concrete bleacher. The muscle/nerve irritation limits sitting even on comfy car seats after 15 minutes. I have two different cushions I use. Standing or lying the discomfort is gone.

But it is not as painful as what Bwia has from the descriptions. We have been trying to drive to Pigeon Forge for an isolation getaway, but kept putting that off with the hubbub over the last months. I was dreading the drive. Maybe I need some time in a nice condominium in Florida.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

bwia said:
Sorry @Imid, I inadvertently left you out in the list of contributors. A thousand pardons and I hope you will forgive me.

While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.

I can't imagine bourbon wouldn't be better.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · January 2021

bwia said:
By the way, I forgot to mention that Noni is a very effective treatment for prostate health. Some swear that it's nature's answer to Viagra for both men and women. Here is an image of the fruit in its unripen state.

That stuff looks dangerous. I'd stick with bourbon.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · January 2021

ab348 said:

bwia said:
While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.
I had never heard of Noni, so I looked it up. This was the first result that appeared:

Common side effects of noni_juice include:

Diarrhea (has laxative effect)
Acute hepatitis
Liver toxicity
Liver damage
High blood potassium (hyperkalemia)

Maybe I'll pass.

I knew bourbon had to be better.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead · January 2021

driver100 said:
maybe I should think about tha)

Why start now?

bwia · January 2021

ab348 said:

bwia said:
While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.
I had never heard of Noni, so I looked it up. This was the first result that appeared:

Common side effects of noni_juice include:

Diarrhea (has laxative effect)
Acute hepatitis
Liver toxicity
Liver damage
High blood potassium (hyperkalemia)

Maybe I'll pass.

Hymn, not so fast @ab, these Noni side effects are probably the result of abuse by those trying to maintain a stiffy. Besides, my Walgreens ibuprofen prescription comes with the following adverse warnings:
The most common side effects of ibuprofen are:

NSAIDs such ibuprofen can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with or without heart disease or the risk factors for heart disease
headache
dizziness
drowsiness, fatigue and restless sleep
thirst and sweating
tingling or numbness in hands and feet
ringing in the ears
blurred vision and eye irritation
fluid retention and ankle swelling
mild allergic reaction
abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, heartburn,
diarrhea and constipation
bladder irritation and pain, frequent urination.

qbrozen · January 2021

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?

Yup, exactly what he said. Why are you racing on public roads?!

In any case, there are a couple of very easy solutions:
1. After stopping, ease your foot up on the brake pedal. There is a point where the engine restarts but still enough pressure to keep the car still. I'm pretty good at this one where I can ease to a stop and release enough pressure before the full stop to keep the engine running. I'll use this at stop signs where I know I won't have to wait or at traffic lights that are just about to change.
2. Brake-torque the car, which you would do anyway if racing, so your point is moot.

As I said, in normal driving, when you come to a complete stop and aren't pretending to be Don Garlits, it has no effect.

andres3 · January 2021

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?

My main point is the feature wastes time and isn't designed to help with reaction times or acceleration. Whether that amount of wasted time bothers you or not is a personal subjective opinion, but until I start seeing purpose-built drag racers with stop-start technology, I'm going with it being detrimental to quick reaction or off the line acceleration.

Might blend well with CVT's where both mask each others shortcomings.

driver100 · January 2021

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bwia said:

ab348 said:

bwia said:
While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.
I had never heard of Noni, so I looked it up. This was the first result that appeared:

Common side effects of noni_juice include:

Diarrhea (has laxative effect)
Acute hepatitis
Liver toxicity
Liver damage
High blood potassium (hyperkalemia)

Maybe I'll pass.
Hymn, not so fast @ab, these Noni side effects are probably the result of abuse by those trying to maintain a stiffy. Besides, my Walgreens ibuprofen prescription comes with the following adverse warnings:
The most common side effects of ibuprofen are:
NSAIDs such ibuprofen can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with or without heart disease or the risk factors for heart disease
headache
dizziness
ETC.

All meds have side affects....they have to be reported but only show up in very few cases. But, at least the meds such as ibuprofen have undergone rigorous testing.........so they work a great majority of the time....unlike untested meds which have only anecdotal evidence of how well they work.

driver100 · January 2021

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?
My main point is the feature wastes time and isn't designed to help with reaction times or acceleration. Whether that amount of wasted time bothers you or not is a personal subjective opinion, but until I start seeing purpose-built drag racers with stop-start technology, I'm going with it being detrimental to quick reaction or off the line acceleration.

Might blend well with CVT's where both mask each others shortcomings.

It won't appear on drag racers because drag racers don't care about getting maximum miles per gallon, and they don't have to abide by government regulations so far.

andres3 · January 2021

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?
My main point is the feature wastes time and isn't designed to help with reaction times or acceleration. Whether that amount of wasted time bothers you or not is a personal subjective opinion, but until I start seeing purpose-built drag racers with stop-start technology, I'm going with it being detrimental to quick reaction or off the line acceleration.

Might blend well with CVT's where both mask each others shortcomings.
It won't appear on drag racers because drag racers don't care about getting maximum miles per gallon, and they don't have to abide by government regulations so far.

But everyone likes saving money; so the miles per gallon savings must not be worth the cost..... and that tells you something.

driver100 · January 2021

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?
My main point is the feature wastes time and isn't designed to help with reaction times or acceleration. Whether that amount of wasted time bothers you or not is a personal subjective opinion, but until I start seeing purpose-built drag racers with stop-start technology, I'm going with it being detrimental to quick reaction or off the line acceleration.

Might blend well with CVT's where both mask each others shortcomings.
It won't appear on drag racers because drag racers don't care about getting maximum miles per gallon, and they don't have to abide by government regulations so far.
But everyone likes saving money; so the miles per gallon savings must not be worth the cost..... and that tells you something.

STOP/START is put on cars for only one main purpose, so car makers can meet CAFE standards (Corporate Average Fuel Economy), and possibly so that some people can feel they are helping the environment.

tjc78 · January 2021

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.
Yeh but how often do you race someone from a stoplight?
My main point is the feature wastes time and isn't designed to help with reaction times or acceleration. Whether that amount of wasted time bothers you or not is a personal subjective opinion, but until I start seeing purpose-built drag racers with stop-start technology, I'm going with it being detrimental to quick reaction or off the line acceleration.

Might blend well with CVT's where both mask each others shortcomings.
It won't appear on drag racers because drag racers don't care about getting maximum miles per gallon, and they don't have to abide by government regulations so far.
But everyone likes saving money; so the miles per gallon savings must not be worth the cost..... and that tells you something.
STOP/START is put on cars for only one main purpose, so car makers can meet CAFE standards (Corporate Average Fuel Economy), and possibly so that some people can feel they are helping the environment.

Agreed. IMO it’s one thing that spread out of millions of cars does add up.

I was once against it, but getting used to it.

bwia · January 2021

Tonight there will be a very uniqie time that you have never experienced and will never again see in your lifetime.

At 9.21 p.m. it will be the 21st minute of the 21st hour of the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century.

The superstitious would be sure to make a wish at that time, or talk about feeling a strange wind blowing.

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

bwia said:
Thanks @snakeweasel, @oldfarmer, @ab348, @carnaught, @driver100 and @stickgy for chipping in on the pain control discussion and the use NSAIDs (a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug) and Tylenol (acetaminophen). While both medications are used to treat the same problem NSAIDs provide a bonus benefit by helping to reduce inflammation.
Meanwhile, my doctor has scheduled my first physical therapy session for Tuesday and hopes that might help, even though that might be quite painful. One silver lining in all of this is that if the nerves are not damaged the sciatica mysteriously goes away. I’m praying that happens sooner than later.

I guess once tendons contract you have to stretch them back out to relieve the pain. I didn’t have an injury but my right shoulder became painful to move in a reaching motion. Scans showed that I had a healed rotator cuff injury but not to the extent it would cause pain years later. They sent me to PT where they did the most excruciating stretching exercises imaginable. It did work though and now I have full ROM.

When a similar problem cropped up in my other shoulder I repeated the exercises at home and it worked there too.

No pain, no gain I guess.

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

bwia said:
Sorry @Imid, I inadvertently left you out in the list of contributors. A thousand pardons and I hope you will forgive me.

While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.

Aspirin was originally extracted from birch tree bark so I guess that’s natural too.

snakeweasel · January 2021

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:

venture said:

tjc78 said:
I’ve been leaving start/stop on lately. Combined with auto brake hold it’s not too bad. If I’m stuck in traffic it certainly goes off, but putting around town it’s not horrible.

I used to despise it, but my wife turns it back on in her car all the time (it’s probably the one setting not tied to a profile) so I decided to give it a shot.

With as much as we drive it probably saves us 25 cents a month.
I really don't get why some people don't like it. My wife doesn't like it, but when I ask her why she just said she doesn't like it. I've learned to just let that sleeping dog lie there.

Don't get me wrong. I never said I liked it. It just doesn't bother me.
I don't like the wasted delay time, or lag.... it might only be a second or less, but multiply that by thousands over a lifetime and it adds up to a lot of wasted time.
? Meaning a waste of YOUR time? Which car is this? Sounds like a REALLY bad system if it is making you wait at all. In all cars I have had it in thus far, as soon as I begin to release the brake, it restarts. I don’t have to change anything on my part. Even if I were pretending to be Vin Diesel when the green light strikes, the engine is spinning before I can apply the gas. Zero wasted time.
Let's go to a local drag strip and test your theory. Same cars, one with stop-start, the other without, and let's race. I am willing to wager big time $$$ that using the stop-start feature will result in a greater time between A and B.

I was using the stop/start feature on the BMW today as I wasn't to play with the eco mode. In the normal motion to take my foot of the brake and putting in on the gas the car was starting as I was releasing the brake and running by the time I got my foot on the gas. So I would say that the time distance would be very slight if at all. That is unless you're one of those that sit at stop lights with one foot on the brake and the other on the gas.

snakeweasel · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

bwia said:
Sorry @Imid, I inadvertently left you out in the list of contributors. A thousand pardons and I hope you will forgive me.

While Western chemical pain medicines are well known and widely used I was also looking for something from the realm of traditional medicine such as as Noni. Noni, an age defying fruit tree grown in Hawaii and other tropical climates, is well-known outside the US for it’s natural anti- inflammatory and pain relieving properties. But in its natural state, the fruit and juice taste bad, but in Hawaii it is mixed with guava juice to make it palatable to western tastes.
I can't imagine bourbon wouldn't be better.

jmonroe

Bourbon might not be better, but I'm not going to take that chance.

stickguy · January 2021

I don't worry about a time lag, but I really don't like the abrupt jolt when it restarts, especially if trying to move at the same time. Plus putting extra wear and tear on components. But mostly I just don't like it.

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