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  • brianabriana Member Posts: 24
    As far as I know a dealership can charge whatever they want on a doc fee. As a point of reference though, I paid $98 for the doc fee when I leased my 02 330i. The dealership is probably overcharging everyone on that 399 to make a few extra bucks.
  • dnmbuckdnmbuck Member Posts: 4
    Carman,

    Will you share with me current money factors and residual values (36 month lease, 15K miles) for 4x4 Crew models of: 2005 Silverado, Sierra, F150 & Tacoma.

    Thanks,

    dnmbuck
  • andy2812andy2812 Member Posts: 79
    I'm about to lease a car for 3 years with 15k miles a year, which allows me 1,250 miles per month. I currently drive about 1,000 miles a month for my commute although at some point in the future I may be able to eliminate my commute. Right now, this only leaves me on average 250 miles a month to use the car which may or may not be enough for me. The excess mileage charge at the end of the lease is .15 cents a mile. If I prepay for extra miles at the lease inception, it would only cost me .10 cents a mile. The dealer is trying to steer me away from prepaying the miles based on the theory that if I don't need the extra miles, I lose anything extra that I paid. However if they are needed, it's sounds inviting to get a 33% discount on the charge by paying for them now. Anyone have any thoughts on whether is worth it to prepay for extra miles.
  • paul138paul138 Member Posts: 31
    Andy,
    my opinion (and I am by no means an expert or even a minor league expert)
    I would prepay for the extra miles if you think there is even a slight chance you might need
    the 15 a year(when you said "extra" miles i am asssuming you meant going
    from 12k to 15k a year??) But the .10 cents a mile for prepaid miles seems a little
    high (confirm this with the real experts).You should be able to get prepaid miles
    for .05 cents a mile.
    Paul
  • fish2575fish2575 Member Posts: 23
    Car_Man
    We are looking to lease an Acura MDX through Honda Financial. The finance manager told me that the acquisition fee had to be put into the lease and cannot be paid out of pocket upfront. This doesn't seem right to me because the description of the lease deal on the Acura website says "$2,393.00 total due at lease signing (includes first month’s payment, security deposit, capitalized cost reduction and AHFC upfront acquistion fee)". Can you please advise? I think I remember you saying before that these things can be pId upfront.
    Thanks, Susie Noe
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,527
    You can definitely pay it upfront..

    I like to roll in as many upfront costs as possible, to minimize the upfronts.. But, you certainly can pay as much as you want at lease signing, if that is your desire.

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  • scott21scott21 Member Posts: 4
    Car Man,
    Can you provide me money factors, residuals, and incentives for these 3 vehicles for a 36 month/12,000 mile lease? Thanks.
  • buster6buster6 Member Posts: 134
    Hi Car_Man,

    Could you let me know what medium sized trucks have the most lease support on them right now. I am not really picky as it will be a second vehicle and just want a low payment.

    Thanks!!
  • borg1of2borg1of2 Member Posts: 90
    Another thought is to negotiate you lease with higher then 15K per year. My first lease I had them put in 20K based on my previous driving habits. I was a lease novice, so I don't know if it cost me more or not, but I didn't think so and I was much more at ease throughout my 3 year lease.

    Either way its still a guess, but going to 20K, the dealer might throw that on for you.

    Good Luck
  • dnmbuckdnmbuck Member Posts: 4
    Can anyone share with me what the current money factor and residuals are for the following, assuming 36 month, 15K per year:

    Silverado 4x4 Crew
    Sierra "" ""
    F150 FX4 4x4 Crew
    Tacoma 4x4 Crew

    Thanks,

    dnmbuck
  • zheka212zheka212 Member Posts: 72
    Right now (at least in north PA and south NJ) dealers are offering an additional $1500 off the price of the car -- which means you can lease this car for invoice - $1500 pretty easily.
    You can definetely pay inception fees upfront. They will sometimes structure the money in the lease so it looks as though you have paid a cap cost (down payment) at the beginning, but the start up costs are added to the rest of the lease. No idea why they do that -- must be some financials that are beyond the realm of reason. As long as you pay what you wanted to upfront (which is usually no more then 1st payment, security, and inception + TTL) -- you are OK.

    PS> The extra $1500 rebate available now should make that advertised lease special (currently 399 + tax) about 360 + tax, so tell your dealer you know the rebate is available and you want it -- or find one who will deduct it for you, if you are in a qualifying region, and get drving.
  • zheka212zheka212 Member Posts: 72
    This may actually depend on the state -- CT charges a $299 "Dealer Concession Fee", which may be true in other states as well...
  • furne1furne1 Member Posts: 3
    I am trying to work out a deal with a local friend of a friend on an 02 Highlander. It is 42 months into a 60 month lease. The payments are 421, and the current buyout is 10600 plus all remaining months. But my friend says that the residual value is 10,900, but that the lease-end buyout is around 7,500. How can this be? I thought the residual value is what you had to pay at the end to buy it.
    Thanks for any help,
  • fish2575fish2575 Member Posts: 23
    I called AHFC (Honda finance) and they told me they always roll the acquisition fee into the lease, so I am not sure if I hve room to argue with the dealer. It seems odd to me though. I have been watching the forum about the $1500 off, but I wonder if it is a regional thing. I am leasing in Oregon, and other than the Acura MDX forum, I can't find anything about the $1500 rebate. Can you give more info?
  • jspearsjspears Member Posts: 9
    Hi Guys and Gals,

    I'm new here and hope someone could enlighten me on some of leasing deals offered in the Saab market. I'm planing to lease a Saab 9-3 Linear for its special promotion (incentive), which is as follows:

    $226 monthly payment for 24 mo with $2999 due at signing. Taxes, tags, and insurance are extra. There is a GM/Saab employee discount price as well. Offers expire July 5 (I think the lease price is also taken into account after the GM employee price, which I don't entirely understand).

    I was told that this offer is only good for a basic Saab 9-3 Linear (manual transmission, no sunroof, no metallic paint), except for the GM employee price as it applies to all other models too.

    However, the car that I was looking at is a 9-3 Linear with a manual transmission, a sunroof and a metallic paint. I went to a couple of dealers and all of them said now that we have this special offer plus the GM employee discount price, this is a hassle-haggle free purchase/lease and there is no negotiation (which I totally found absurd).

    Anyway, I went to this dealership and was told that the MSRP is $29,295. But after all the discounts that they offer, the final price came down to $23,295. This is a purchase price. I think they quoted me a lease price that's about $1000 lower.

    With this price, somehow it magically appears that I'll have to pay $280/mo for a 48-month lease with $3500 down payment. The annoying saleswoman who initially told me that with the set fixed everyone-gets-the-discount price, there is no negotiation. Period. But somehow she later told me that she would try to get the best deal for me (how could that be if everything is set and everyone gets the same price). And this was it! The best deal?

    Exactly, that's my question. Is this reasonable? $3500 down payment with a $280 monthly payment for the 47 months. I'm more looking at $3000 down payment with about $250/mo for a 36-month or a 48-month lease. Am I hoping for too much? Or what I'm looking for is within a reason expectation? Thank you all for your insights.
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    Res. .54 and money factor 5.5% $1500.00 Cap cost reduction. These are for a Sierra Crew Cab
  • pcouvpcouv Member Posts: 2
    Car Man,

    I am a recent college grad planning on moving. How important is it to lease from a dealership near where you will be living?
  • ddeliseddelise Member Posts: 353
    I went to a couple of dealers and all of them said now that we have this special offer plus the GM employee discount price, this is a hassle-haggle free purchase/lease and there is no negotiation (which I totally found absurd).
    Why exactly do you find this absurd? Have you been watching TV lately, or seen any of the ads on the Edmunds banners? GM is offering their Employee Price and all incentives to everyone this month - hence, the no hassle, haggle free price. Good deal for the majority of the people, worse for some.

    Also, the lease price is normally more than the purchase price, not less.

    As for the deal - it seems to me too high. But I have no basis because you are not providing enough details. Plus, you should look to do the deal with $0, or minimal out of pocket. And whatever is out of pocket (if any), find out exactly what it covers.

    You need to ask the following:
    Sell Price of Car (employee price) minus
    Incentives plus
    Aquisition fee plus
    dealer fee plus
    taxes (if any) plus
    other fee(s) equals
    Capitalized Cost (again, I would advise against putting down any money to lower the cap cost).

    Then ask for the money factor, and the residual value.

    Come back with these figures and we can compute a lease cost.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    Ask the sales person: what is money factor, what is residual, and fees (both dealer and bank). "Low montly payment" approach is always going to get you into raw deal - it just shows the dealer how little you know anout stuff. Whn you have those figures, ask Car Man guru how they measure up.

    Second: never pay down payment/cap cost reduction on lease. "Sign and drive" is way to go (as opposed to a loan, when big downpayment can be helpful). Why? Navigate this thread backwards and you'll see. Shortly: even after you put down thousands, if you totaled the car next day, you are unlikely to see any of that money back. It makes nothing to your money factor (rental charges stay the same). It only lowers the fraction of the car to be paid over time. Thus, the benefit of lowering payments is drastically offset by risk of losing the money in case of early termination, regardless of reasons. It is better to pay more per month than pay upfront. Car man would explain it better than me, but I hope you got it.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    The GM's Employee discount ads are one big scam: "You pay what we pay, not a cent more" Hello? How about dealer prep fees? In employee program they are waived or severly restricted, for regular folk they can be anything the dealer likes.

    It is like those other car ads with "YOU PAY" and asterisk saying "price includes $2000 trade or cash, which of course prompts the question, whose money is that two grand (Stanta Clause's perhaps?). Same with taxes. If something is $9.99, I pay $10.70 (in most FL), thus saying "you pay $9.99" is simply cheating.

    Why do we let them get away with that?

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • zheka212zheka212 Member Posts: 72
    Unfortunately, from what I have seen, there is nothing more then hearsay available to support this offer. I have personally gotten calls from 2 dealers in PA, but then again, it is PA. Try calling a few dealers, tell them your relatives are getting a rebate and they live in Philly, and see what they say. Try to call at least 3, because even around PA many dealers play dumb until you confront them. You can try calling Honda, since apparently the offer did come from them, but AHFC usually gives you nonsence about how they are not a direct lender, and thus cannot disclose anything (I tried to find out money factors from them); everything must come from the dealer.

    Good luck!!
  • dnmbuckdnmbuck Member Posts: 4
    Do you know if the cost cap reduction is on top of the special employee pricing this month?
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Dealer concession fee huh!
    Excuse me while I ROTFLMAO!
  • kywonkywon Member Posts: 28
    Carman or anyone else in his absense-

    The lease on my second Saab (9-5 Aero) is expiring and though I wasn't planning on leasing another Saab, these deals look just too good to pass up.

    I've seen a lot of information on the base 9-3 linear, but could I please get the residual and MF on the 9-3 Aero and 9-5 Aero plus any incentives that are compatible with the GM employee discount for these cars on a 2 and 3 year 12k lease?

    Thank you very much in advance... for potentially my 3rd lease with your help.

    Ky-Won
  • jspearsjspears Member Posts: 9
    Thank you both Dino and Dlelise.

    Now I have some info which wasn't easy to get from my other unvolunteering saleswoman (sales # 2). The other saleswoman (sales # 1) who gave in a quote through the internet in the first place simply said I needed to come in to fill out a credit application form before she could give me all the other details!

    She (sales # 2) refused to tell me about the acquisition fee, saying that she has to get it from her boss so I would have to come in to see all the numbers.

    She said she had no idea about other fees, including the acquisition fee and security deposit, but they all somehow are included in my previously-agreed upfront down payment of $3500. Isn't this absurd? Isn't this no hassle-no-haggle purchase/lease? Would this lead to no negotiation?

    I find this very obnoxious. :mad: Buyers are more educated these days so they'd better watch.

    The residue value, according to her, is at 39%. She has no idea how much the money factor was (or simply played dumb).

    The sales price is $26,665 after a GM discount of $2630 (MSRP = $29,295). Interestingly, this number doesn't match the $4889 I found on the SAAB website. Uhm, who is lying here? Then there is the lease cash rebate of $3500. So now the retail sale price comes down to $23,165.

    Once asked so many questions, she simply said, "Listen Dear, I've given you a great deal and this car is not going to be around forever. You need to come in and get it!"

    Please tell me this is a joke. Is this a great deal? I found out from a lease calculator by using some of my own approximation, that with the monthly payment she gave me, not to mention the large upfront money ($3500), they would be making an additional $1000 off of me! So tell me, is this no hassle, no haggle? I think not. :mad:

    However, if any of you can give me more information to ensure that I'm on the right track as far as figuring out my monthly lease payment is concerned, please let me know. Thanks a bunch once again, guys and gals. :grin:

    JS
  • posnerposner Member Posts: 2
    :confuse: Hi everyone, I'm new to this board and was hopeing someone could shed some light on this question. I am currently leasing a 2003 Nissan Altima 2.5 S... I started the lease in December 03 so ideally I would like to get out of the Lease this upcoming november. It's a 36 month lease, so the lease wouldn not be over until December 06. Here is my question. Say I want to lease another Nisssan, in anyone's expereince, would the dealerships charge me an arm and a leg to get out of the lease even if I wanted to start a new lease on another Nissan? The other question I have, is there any chance If I wanted to lease a car that's not a Nissan, would a dealer work with me on getting out of the lease of my car I have now with so many months left on it? Any help would be greatly appreciated...
    thanks -Ricky
  • differnetdiffernet Member Posts: 4
    Hello,
    I have been negotiating a lease with a local dealer for an 05 Le 4x4 with nav and a couple of other options.
    MSRP is 37910
    have been offered a lease deal as follows.
    399mo +tx
    1999 cap reduction
    first mo
    no sec dep
    ttl + reg etc...
    this is an 18k mi a year for 39mo.
    does this sound like a good deal? I was never given the actual sale price.
    I need to know If I should go through with this deal or not. any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
    Dan
  • ddeliseddelise Member Posts: 353
    Now I have some info which wasn't easy to get from my other unvolunteering saleswoman (sales # 2). The other saleswoman (sales # 1) who gave in a quote through the internet in the first place simply said I needed to come in to fill out a credit application form before she could give me all the other details!

    I can kind of understand this. I think what she is saying is that she quoted you a price with a money factor based on excellent credit. Should you not have excellent credit, then the money factor will be higher, and then the payment higher. If you are Ok with it, tell you that you will fill out a credit ap, but then you want to see all of the info you requested along with a lease worksheet detailing all of the info, payment, etc.

    She (sales # 2) refused to tell me about the acquisition fee, saying that she has to get it from her boss so I would have to come in to see all the numbers.

    She said she had no idea about other fees, including the acquisition fee and security deposit, but they all somehow are included in my previously-agreed upfront down payment of $3500. Isn't this absurd? Isn't this no hassle-no-haggle purchase/lease? Would this lead to no negotiation?

    I find this very obnoxious. Buyers are more educated these days so they'd better watch.


    I would stay away from this salesperson. Sounds like she is lying to you if she is saying she does not know those numbers.

    The residue value, according to her, is at 39%. She has no idea how much the money factor was (or simply played dumb).

    ASk if the lease is through SAAB, or through an independent. This is a low residucal value (which does make sense for SAAB unfortunately), and does help me understand why the payment is greater than I expected.

    The sales price is $26,665 after a GM discount of $2630 (MSRP = $29,295). Interestingly, this number doesn't match the $4889 I found on the SAAB website. Uhm, who is lying here? Then there is the lease cash rebate of $3500. So now the retail sale price comes down to $23,165.

    This number - $23165 - I am sure is correct. It does not match the number found on the SAAB website because the website lists the price for the base sedan only with no options. The website lists a SAAB Employee Discount of $22681. You are buying a care with options. Not coincendentally the MSRP for the base SAAB 3 is $27570 - a difference of $4889. You can ask to see the Employee Price on the dealer invoice - no secret this month.

    Once asked so many questions, she simply said, "Listen Dear, I've given you a great deal and this car is not going to be around forever. You need to come in and get it!"

    Tell her it is your money - an if it is a great deal, she should not be so afraid of showing you the details! Again, I would stay away and try and concentrate on the first salesperson.

    Please tell me this is a joke. Is this a great deal? I found out from a lease calculator by using some of my own approximation, that with the monthly payment she gave me, not to mention the large upfront money ($3500), they would be making an additional $1000 off of me! So tell me, is this no hassle, no haggle? I think not.

    I am not sure how you can be calculating a lease payment if you did not get the money factor. You really need to know all of the details I mentioned in my first post to you to get the payment calculated. Without the money factor you are speculating. So, is it a good deal??? Again, need to know the details. Also, remember to ask how many miles/year they are quoting you for the residual.

    Good luck.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    It is simple. Tell her what you think, make it clear it is the last time you ask these questions and threaten to walk. If she still refuses to say, tell her to "call you call when she is ready" and walk for real. There are other Saab dealers, Saab is what you really want.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • yhariyhari Member Posts: 30
    Hello .. we are about to turn in a Honda lease as well. Which leasing company was your lease with? If it is American Honda Finance, I thought $1500 wear and tear coverage was included with the lease?

    Thanks
    YHARI
  • kmouradiankmouradian Member Posts: 40
    crj1,

    Does the $2600 in lease cash apply to the state of Florida on the Cadillac CTS?

    Also, would you happen to know what the lease acquisition fee is and does GM charge a security deposit on their leases?

    Thanks!
  • critical_sectcritical_sect Member Posts: 1
    I am about 3K over my lease miles, which will cost me about 3K, go figure, and my lease is up in less than 1 month. I will not be buying a car from my current brand of car dealer. Should I try and buy a new car now and have another dealer take the lease off my hands? Or should I just return it and take the loss form my original dealer? I need to do this now, and I'm at a loss!

    Sincerely yours,

    leasely challenged
  • jay13jay13 Member Posts: 9
    Car Man - I'm interested in a 3 year lease on a Corvette Coupe (non-Z51), either an 05, or more likely an 06 with the new 6 speed automatic. Any ideas on residuals for a 15,000 mile per year lease? I know its probably too early for the 06 numbers, but it would help if you can give me an idea on where you may have seen residuals on the 05's.

    Thanks
  • jay13jay13 Member Posts: 9
    One follow-up question. Do you still have to pay your over-miles charge if you purchase your car at the end of your lease for the lease-buy-out price?

    Thanks again.

    Jay
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,527
    If you buy the car at lease-end, no overmileage charges apply..

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  • brianabriana Member Posts: 24
    That doesn't seem possible that you are 3K over and it's going to cost you 3 grand. That's a buck a mile, which isn't right. Most places are around 20 cents a mile which would be $600.

    I'm in the same boat, kinda, in that I am a few miles over. I might be getting a new car from a different brand, so I'm hoping they take my car to save me a few bucks. I doubt they would want to do that though, most dealers don't want to take on used cars if they don't have to. Post up here what you end up doing though.
  • carefreecarefree Member Posts: 7
    I am exchanging emails with a Volvo dealer to lease a S80 2.5T AWD- with audio and Nav, Premium and climate pkg. With 0 down he gave me a figure of 726.80 for a 36 month / 36 K lease. (!!)

    When I mentioned to him that Volvo is offering 7500 off from MSRP in public advertising , he said that they get dealer cash from Volvo only if they sell a car but not for lease, which I think is incorrect.

    On Volvo's webiste, a base model of S80 - 2.5T FWD is for lease at appx $400 pm with 4K down and that too when the gross capitalized cost is the MSRP.

    I would appreciate the wise words form somebody on what should be :
    1. Appx. lease rate if I lease AWD with Nav. / Audio/ Premium.
    And 2. if I lease FWD with Premium
  • paul138paul138 Member Posts: 31
    Does anyone have an opinion if this sounds like a good deal?
    Nissan Altima SE no additonal options.
    36 months
    15k miles a year.
    2000.00 down, drive away price that includes 1st month payment.
    295.00 a month
    thanks....Paul
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi everyone. As many of you have been able to tell, I have been away for a few days. I am back and ready to go, so those of you who still have questions about leasing that you would like to have answered please feel free to fire away.

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  • lease_is_uplease_is_up Member Posts: 9
    Car Man: As you requested, i am posting a reminder on my question:

    "Car_Man: Can you help me out with MF and Residual for 2006 E350 4matic, 12k/yr for 36mos? You helped me on this few months ago but it was new model and there was zero lease support at time. Hoping June is better time... Thanks a lot for helping everyone here out!!"

    Thanks again!
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Thanks for the reminder, lease_is_up. You didn't waste any time, you were only seven minutes after my request. You were smart to hold off for a little while on leasing this car, because Mercedes-Benz has introduced lease support on it. According to the latest information that I have seen, if you were to lease a 2006 Mercedes-Benz E350 Sedan with 4matic through Mercedes-Benz Credit Corp. right now for 36 months with 12,000 miles per year, its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00245 and 62%, respectively. This factor assumes that you pay a security deposit and that you qualify for MBC's Tier one credit tier.

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  • jay13jay13 Member Posts: 9
    Car Man - I 'm not sure if you were asking for reposts or whether you're going to go through the last few days' worth of posts, but here goes. I'm interested in a 3 year lease on a Corvette Coupe (non-Z51), either an 05, or more likely an 06 with the new 6 speed automatic. Any ideas on residuals for a 15,000 mile per year lease? I know its probably too early for the 06 numbers, but it would help if you can give me an idea on where you may have seen residuals on the 05's.

    Thanks
  • brianabriana Member Posts: 24
    Car Man, I was wondering if you had the money factor and residual on an 06 Hummer H3. I got 7.75% lease rate and 62% residual on 3 year, 12K miles from the dealer. Was wondering if those #s are correct.

    I'm also looking at a Jeep Grand Cherokee and the 06 BMW 330. Do you have the residual and MF on those as well for the same terms?

    Finally, do you know anything about the GM in your driveway program? A member on the hummer board got this discount on the 06 H3 he just leased and I was wondering who qualifies. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks a lot.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Posting any questions that you have again works best. Thanks for doing so, jay13. You're right, I haven't seen the '06 Vette's lease program yet, but I can give you an idea of what the '05's numbers should be like. General Motors' Acceptance Corp.'s current lease rate and residual value for a 3 year, 15,000 miles per lease of a 2005 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe are 7.50% and 51%, respectively. Unfortunately, the Corvette is the only model that is not currently eligible for the special "You Pay What We Pay" Employee Purchase Price program that GM is currently running.

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  • darthkendarthken Member Posts: 30
    Hi Car Man - you helped me out 3 years ago with a CRV lease (thanks!) and now that lease is up and I'm back for info on an Odyssey EX! I'll be looking for one at the end of this month but still undecided between leasing and buying.

    Can you please tell me the AHFC residual and money factor for June for an Odyssey EX, 12k/yr, 36mos, both with and without security deposit, and how much the security deposit is? I don't believe these figures have been posted yet for June in this forum. Also, do you think there's any chance of "4th of July" deals starting in the last week of June?

    Thanks!
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi briana. GMAC's current base lease rate for the 2006 Hummer H3 is indeed currently 7.75%. However, I believe that the 62% residual value that you were quoted is for a 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year, not 12,000 miles per. Its 12,000 miles per year residual value should be 3% higher than that.

    I can give you an idea of what the lease program is currently like for the 2006 BMW 330i, but in order for me to give you the numbers for the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, I need you to be more specific about the exact model that you want. If you were to lease a 2005 BMW 330i through BMW Financial Services right now for 36 months with 12,000 miles per year, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00250 and 61%, respectively.

    I believe that the GM "In the Driveway Program" allows non-GM employees to purchase new vehicles at its employee purchase price. In order to take advantage of this program you have to have a GM employee give you a certificate for it. There is not much of an advantage to this program on 2005 models right now because everyone qualifies for GM's employee pricing, but if you can purchase a 2006 Hummer H3 through this program and can find a dealer that is willing to sell you one through it (they are not required to) you could get a heck of a deal on one.

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  • brianabriana Member Posts: 24
    Ah, now I gotta find out how to get my hands on a certificate from a GM employee.

    As for the Jeep Grand Cherokee, I'm not sure if I'm going Laredo or Limited. I would assume Laredo though, 36 months, 12K. Thanks for all the help.
  • andy2812andy2812 Member Posts: 79
    Hi Car_man,

    You previously gave me the MF and Residual for a 2005 G35x on a 3yr/15k lease. I've already agreed on a price for the car and will pick it up Friday evening. I'm now thinking that I might need more miles per year and can change it accordingly Friday morning. Do you have what the MF and Residual will be for a 3yr/18K lease. I greatly appreciate your prompt attention in this matter. I will post the final details once I get the car.
  • paul138paul138 Member Posts: 31
    Car_ Man

    can you check out my questions:
    maxima> page 1061 # 21213
    altima> this page # 21369
    thanks,
    Paul
  • surfsomesurfsome Member Posts: 2
    Aloha Car_man !

    This is my first time on a chat forum & also my first time contemplating a lease. I did some math in a spreadsheet to come up w/ my own assessment, but I wanted to check in w/ the experts b4 moving on it. I plan to go buy or lease a car tomorrow morning after surfing (yeah I'm lucky to live in Hawaii).

    The main criteria for cars for me are: 1] Reliable; 2] Decent Power; 3] Fits my 8' 7" board inside. I had a '98 Mazda 626 that did just that (2.5L V6), but I was not careful in maintianing it & killed it (blown exhaust gasket).

    I don't want to take in too much additional debt because I just bought a '05 Van for my wife. So ...

    I looked at a Hertz pre-owned '04 Pontiac Grand Am SE, for ~ $10,500 & comes w/ the entire maintenance history (I am afraid of buying used cars elsewhere & the CPO prices most everywhere are very high).

    The other option I am looking at is the '05 Honda Accord LX (2.4L 4cyl). I can get a 36 month lease deal of $4K down & $165 (includes tax)/month; the fine print says $4K total drive off, LEV = $11,388.6 & MSRP = $21,090. There's 12K miles per year allowed & it's $0.15/mile for overage.

    I compared both in cost to drive for 3 years, and they came very close (it really depends on how much one thinks that the Grand Am will be worth 3 years later). The Honda cost was only $600 higher ... & that's for a more reliable & safer car, so I am very tempted to do the lease thing (even if I go over in miles by 1,500 miles per year, that still is just another $675 over 3 years, that's not much ... What am I missing ?

    Here is the math (just in case u want to look at it):

    Initial Payment Credit Card Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Residual Total 3 yr cost

    05 Honda $1,500 $2,500 $1,987 $1,987 $1,987 $9,962

    04 Pontiac $1,500 $2,170 $2,170 $2,170 $570 $7,440

    Initial Delta = $2,522

    The residual is calculated by taking the 3 yr depreciated value of the Grand AM as given by Edmunds = $4,910
    and subtracting the amount owed in the loan after 3 years = $4,340
    The depreciation figures fm Edmunds are for the 2005 Pontiac GT per could not get '04 Grand Am figures
    Other Considerations
    Insurance Fuel Maintenance Repairs Ttl other Cost for 3 years
    05 Honda $2,743 $3,860 $1,230 $110 $7,943

    04 Pontiac $2,770 $4,868 $1,834 $394 $9,866

    05 Honda Accord LX (4 cyl 2.4L) --------------------------> Combined = $17,905

    04 Pontiac Grand Am SE (V6 3.4L) ----------------------> Combined = $17,306
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