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  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    same site...........

    http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?f=news/200305/12/newcar02/01_b.jp- g

    http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?f=news/200305/12/newcar02/02_b.jp- g
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    hmm. now that I can actually see as my next Subaru. the STi seemed cool until I really started thinking about it hard... like "why bother when it's still way slower and less fun than a $10k sportbike?"

    but a legacy could offer enough power, comfort and useability... yeah.

    -Colin
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    Please note that wagon is unlike the current legacy wagon, the raised roof line is gone...

    it only means that outback will look very different from legacy ?
  • glycinemaxglycinemax Member Posts: 74
    Will the new Legacy/Outback score 5 stars all around on the U.S. government crash testing? All green on the IIHS off-set crash test? Will the side mirror incorporated turn signals make it state side? Subaru Legacy wagon, Outback wagon all weather package, Honda Element RT4WD EX, or Honda CRV RT4WD EX in Fall of 2004?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    from apexjapan.com.

    http://www.apexjapan.com/rumours/main.html

    Bob
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    I see you stole my link Bob. ;-)

    DaveM
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    my heart skipped a beat when I saw the pics. Now I want one real bad. Since the wife took over the OB, it's fair for me to get a nice 05 Legacy GT.....right? Silver?

    Greg

    P.S. I've been a good boy
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    5-speed auto? Heavily revised 5-speed manual? Lots of new engine design?

    I like what I'm reading! Can't wait until the 5/23 unveiling!

    I wonder how big of a USDM filter Subaru will put on the Legacy when it makes it Stateside.

    Colin -- Hey, what happened to the XT? ;-)

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    well, it was more practical than an STi for me and this even moreso.

    yeah that's the story I'm sticking with. :-)

    -Colin
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    how the "bread-'n-butter" Legacys will fare? We're reading all about the turbos, and everything, but what about the the plain-Jane Legacys?

    I'm hoping we'll see real improvements there as well. I'm hoping the base 2.5 engine gets more power, as well as the 5-speed automatic; although I've read that the 4-EAT may remain for entry-level models. I hope that's not the case.

    Pricing? That's always a big issue. How much new and/or upgraded content can SOA squeeze in, without charging too much?

    Bob
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    they said they will reduce weight. That should improve 0-60, mpg and brake life.

    Greg
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    base legacy has sufficient power.........if weight is reduced.

    1. aluminum hood
    2. no alloy wheels etc.
    3. no raised roof line
    Reduce the weight by 300 lbs.....good to go !
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Are lighter than steelies IIRC?

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    definitely. several pounds per wheel in the same size.

    most of the weight savings would have to come from the chassis & body, that's where it is!

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    The previous generation Legacy wasn't too bad with the EJ25.

    Perhaps they can use the AVCS EJ25 with the new Legacy.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I wouldn't buy anything less than a healthy six cylinder or turbo four...

    Under 3200lb curb weight for the sedan would be nice, too.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those roof rails sure are nicely integrated. They barely protrude at all.

    The wagon's cargo space looks improved - there is more space between the headrests and the rear glass.

    Give the base Legacy the aluminum hood and a 180hp 2.5l AVCS engine. One single big moonroof as an option, at least.

    Use alloys, the car will be in a price range where those are expected. Even my bargain-basement cast alloys, an inch wider and an inch taller, are as light as the steelies were.

    C&D hit 60 in 8.8 seconds in an L/SE, and those are heavy with all that equipment they come with. So lose 150 lbs or so and it'll be fine.

    With 180hp I think the base model would be in the low 8s range. Then a 210hp turbo or the 240hp H6 in an intermediate model would be quick, maybe 7s range. The H6 twin turbo would be in the 5s range with the big boys.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36- 3848
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Another big strategy is to become a premium brand

    Boo, nonsense. The VDC flopped. Stick with what has worked - bang for the buck, performance, not luxury.

    A crossover, more like an SUV ... seven-passenger car, which was called SGX

    So it had a code name, SGX. But that was the GM platform, so we still don't know much about the new one.

    each model reached its breakeven point

    Baja too? It's below its sales target of 2k per month, about half that. It may still be profitable though.

    target for 2006 is to have 76 percent exclusive, including separate showrooms

    Good luck, pigs will fly sooner. It'll cost dealers a fortune to do this, and Subaru is still a niche brand.

    the platform of the seven-passenger car could give us a very good flagship car

    Interesting. B11S? No, he meant sedan. Flagship the size of an Audi A8, anyone? This could be paisan's dream car.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'd take a sedan B11s no problemo :)

    Like I said I see the SUW, B11s and B8s (luxo sedan/sport) all off that platform. It's wide enough to be adapatable to the SUW, Sports coupe and Touring Sedan.

    -mike
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    This was posted over in NASIOC.....looks like pretty good info on the 04 to include options/pricing.

    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forester/forester2004.html
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That info is so specific it's hard not to believe it.

    Invoices on the XT range from $23,323 to $25,612, so IMO by the end of the year those are the prices we'll be seeing.

    For 23.3k, a manual XT is a no-brainer, but still I want that moonroof, maybe $24.5k or so.

    Go whole hog and it's getting up there in price, but then what else offers all that?

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Yeah, that pricing is nice. Compare a WRX wagon (5-speed) that costs $22,568 invoice to a XT (5-speed) at $23,323. You get a torquier engine, more cargo space, plus the extra Forester amenities for under $1000.

    I still want to know what drivetrain and suspension changes are in the XT, though.

    Ken
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Dave (lakepop)-

    Thanks for posting the info. I was about to ask if anyone has heard any info on price and availability for the Forester XT, and here you post the link! A friend at work keeps bugging me for info-he is a long time Subaru owner (he is on his 5th now).

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $755 over a WRX wagon. To me it's an easy decision, really to anyone that needs the space.

    -juice
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    According to the above link, the Forester X still has rear drums. Doesn't make sense that the Impreza TS (Subaru's price leader) gets rear discs but the Forester X doesn't.

    DaveM
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    XT premium = $28k MSRP, $25.6k invoice. Me likey!

    Java black please!

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nice catch, Dave. Yeah, I expected discs too. CR-V and Sante Fe have them standard (but oddly, not ABS).

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ...and boy was there a lot to like!!!

    I am an unabashed fan of the Legacy generally (we have 2), and I am very excited about the new design. Obviously I will want to see drivetrain choices and pricing, but at least now I have a goal to aim for as I patiently pay off my BD and then drive it for a couple more years to build a downpayment. I hope that by 2006 I can finally, after 7 years of waiting, take possession of a Legacy turbo wagon MT.

    Now I just need to find patience-booster pills!
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I love the integrated turn signal indicator in the sideview mirror ala Mercedes. The car's overall proportions are taut, reducing the visual impression of hulk in a wagon.

    I don't know if you all continued to follow the nabisco threads after the inital excitement. Here is a titillating comment from Paul regarding a possible H6 turbo:

    "I think there is indeed a possibility - but...

    Why don't you at least try the h4 2.5 turbo first? Trust me, the 2.0 turbocharged models had more power than I can use outside a racetrack - the 2.5 is probably going to be even more wooly. There is literally no frame of reference between what is currently available in the U.S. right now, and what's coming. If you want to get a feel for it, go drive a, hrm... Base Corvette, I guess. That's a bit too quick, but the problem is finding something with the quality chassis/suspension setup the Legacy has along with the power. Audis have the power, but not the suspension."

    Sure Paul, no problem, I'll gladly give a 2.5T MT a whirl!!!! :-D
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I was wondering when you would chime in about the new Legacy! Pretty, isn't it?

    I've been following the NAISOC threads too, but I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to wait long enough for replacing one of those with my Forester. It might have to happen with my wife's car instead.

    Ken
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    they say every model will get turbo
    does it include Outback ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I really think Subaru needs to distinguish the Outback more.

    The Legacy has a flat roof and will get turbos. Sweet.

    Now, for the Outback, make it H6 only. Keep the H6 exclusive, that's what'll identify the model. Also, go ahead and give it a raised roof and keep the jacked-up beefy suspension, even more so.

    But not turbos, it doesn't fit the image of an SUV alternative. Quick, name one SUV with a turbo.

    -juice
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Forester XT?
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Porsche Cayenne
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Ford Excursion Power Stroke Diesel
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Volvo XC90 - all models
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Hummer H1 (Turbo Diesel)
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Audi allroad?
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    If the Baja can have a turbo, the Outback can have one too! I personally would prefer an Outback Turbo over an H6. However, I reserve the right to change my mind after driving both a 2.5T and H6.

    DaveM
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Volvo V70 AWD & XC70. Direct competitor to high line (i.e H6) Outbacks.
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    for high altitude applications. Having lived at 9600 feet, I was always looking for turbos. Outbacks were everywhere up there, and add a turbo, they'd just sell that much better.

    Jim
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    If subaru needs to achieve their sales strategy of 250k vehicles, having an extra engine option for outback would only help..............

    I bet they would sell more OUtback turbos than Baja Turbos, then why not ?

    I would prefer an outback Turbo to a Forester Turbo !
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6034&sid=19- 8&n=156
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35- - 9162&perpage=25&pagenumber=6
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Forester and Cayenne are both car-based, basically. Besides, I haven't seen a turbo of either on the streets (yet).

    Diesel was cheating! ;-)

    The Volvo XC90 is the exception that proves the rule! And ask paisan if he would qualify that as a "truck".

    XC70 and allroad are wagons. Car, a UK magazine, said the UK Forester turbo was much better off road than both of them.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I have a copy of that issue from August 2000 or 2001 IIRC. It was the last-generation Forester S turbo that was tested, with less power than the coming XT.

    Ed
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    the Outback is also car-based and a wagon.

    I knew you would say diesel was cheating. :-)

    DaveM
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    love that dark blue color on the Legacy.

    -Brian
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