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Same with paper maps, of course.
-juice
Close enough for you??:
http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Volvo_News/article_266.htm- l
In Japan, especially Tokyo, DVD is almost a necessity -- constant traffic jams and many streets with no name.
A funny storey: My dad is VERY impressed with the navi system in his TSX -- the voice recognition understands even his heavy Japanese-American accent. Perhaps being a Japanese company, Acura made sure it their systems understood that accent!
Ken
Acura touch-screen vith voice rec iw far better than Audi's Atari paddle based system (knob).
I hope Sub offers at least a touch screen.
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04785295
Fuji Heavy Industries to Exhibit Subaru Line at Auto China 2004
Score one for the portables (free updates).
-juice
Ken, maybe you could add to this since you can translate Japanese.
Bob
Anything new that we didn't get on the new Impreza?
-juice
Frankly that concerns me. Whenever I hear the term "+2," the first thing that jumps to mind are the +2 seats in a Porsche 911. It really sounds to me that it will not seat 7 full-size adults, and that the +2 will be reserved for children and/or very small adults. I hope I'm wrong, but my "gut" says that will most likely be the case.
BTW, I keep referring to this vehicle as the "Halifax." It was reported over on nabisco, from someone who attended the dealer meeting in Vegas (and no, it was not from someone I have met) that the name Halifax was indeed mentioned as the name when SOA did a teaser presentation of this vehicle. It will be interesting to see if the name sticks. I'm going on the assumption that it will, and therefore will continue to use the name until I hear otherwise.
Bob
Basically I'd like to see a wide enough platform for 3 across, with plenty of rear leg room, perhaps even a rear seat that slides fore and aft to help that 3rd row fit.
To this day the MDX sells quite well, with strong demand several years after its intro.
Wifey called about the Subaru credit card and Chase apparently cannot just switch us over, so they're sending us a new credit application. Hopefully that'll bring the price down below $30k street price for us.
-juice
On the other hand, how many of you have actally sat in the 3 row of a 7 seater. Very few have enough room for me (and less than back seat WRX) Usually a complete lack of floor space, or a footwell that can't accomodate my size 12's. I agree that for most buyers, the last row seat room is of minimal concern because if you are taking 7 adults on a trip you need somewhere for all the luggage. Tarted up mid-size vehicles won't cut it for that. If it's just for driving the soccer team around town, stuff the kids in the back, they'll be fine. "In my day we drove for hours with no air-conditioning with 4 kids in the back seat and the fifth sitting between Mum and Dad in the front seat...vinyl seats!!" Actually I can't see there being anything worse than those hard plastic booster seats they are supposed to sit in till they are about 8 or 9 years old.
You can apply on-line for the Chase Subaru card. Just go to http://www.subaru.com and click on the last link under News and Promotions.
DaveM
I'm surprised Chase could not just switch you over. That's what they did for me when they first introduced the Subaru card. Either way it definitely helps, as I was able to use the certifcates to offset my 60K service.
Mark
-Frank
For 2004, Honda added the ability for the 2nd row seats to slide fore and aft, freeing up just enough knee room for an average adult to sit comfortably for a short to medium length trip in the 3rd row.
We have two baby seats on the 60 side of the 60/40 second row, allow full access to the 3rd row on the 40 side, meaning we can easily haul 5 adults and 2 children in our Pilot without fiddling with the baby seats. (The Pilot's actually rated for 8 passengers, but I wouldn't dare to put 3 adults in the 3rd row, but you could easily get 3 kids back there.)
From every aspect, I am benchmarking the new 7-passenger Subaru off of the Pilot-- size, price (low $30's), 3rd row space, quality, refinement, etc.. The ability to fit real adults in the 3rd row could make or break the success of this SUV, IMHO.
Interestingly, the MDX does NOT have the adjustable 2nd row, so I could not fit in its 3rd row. (I'm 5'10").
Don't even THINK about an adult fitting in the 3rd row of the Highlander or the SRX. The XC-90 isn't bad, but WAY out of our price range. The 3rd row of the Explorer isn't too bad either, but it's a truck-based gas guzzler -- yuck!
Can't wait to see what Subaru comes up with!!
Elliot
Subaru will probably make a "fun-to-drive" 7 seater. I hope it will be like a long wheelbase BMW X5 like crossover minus the X5 price.
I agree that it appears they are targeting the MDX, which is too bad because I actually prefer the value-priced and bigger Pilot. However, the MDX is hotter in terms of demand.
Chase card: I called my wife and suggested she try again, the change over, that is. The rep also said we could do it, so maybe we just got someone incompetent on the 800 line.
-juice
? You mean the Armada, don't you? The Expedition has a pretty decent 3rd-row seat in terms of room, comfort and flexibility.
Bob
I found the MDX tiny, the Pilot a bit tight, the Explorer so-so. The Armada lacks head room. Most all of them put you in the knees-in-your-chest position.
I wouldn't want to sit there for long, with the sole exception being the Expedition, among those that I have tried.
-juice
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Bob (who is certainly no Grammer-God)
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?
section_id=16&article_id=8204
-juice
-Frank
(j/k) It's actually a Previa Mother Ship.
Bob
Therein lies Subaru’s “problem.” Nobody, until now, has ever mentioned Subaru and BMW in the same statement.
Bob
But gosh, the headlights look like the new Subaru face, they just have to shape the grille like wings.
Those flares block the sliding doors completely.
Ground clearance and seating capacity look good. And I love that winch!
I think we'll hear Subaru and Acura (TSX) in the same sentence, maybe VW a lot, too. Prolly Volvo when it comes to the Outback. Maybe Audi a little.
It's interesting to talk to co-workers about my trip. It's hard to say BMW in the same sentence and not get dumb looks. If I say VW Passat people believe it right away.
It's the same thing Hyundai is going through, they're now ahead of Toyota in some IQ tests but the public perception will lag for 3-5 years behind.
-juice
It looks like Subaru may have an integrated computer option? Ken, need your help translating this one good buddy!
Bob
It appears to be a sophisticated cross between On-Star and a NAV system. I haven't gone through it, so I may be wrong.
Here's another sub-link showing the features:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
Note: If you have trouble with these links, go to the above posted JDM link, and hope for the best. Try running it through a translation site like I did.
Bob
Car navigation evolved the shape where SUBARU G-BOOK. By the fact that the bidirectional communication function which utilizes network is loaded, the personal computer of the office and the home of course thing, by the fact that such as portable telephone it cooperates with all information equipment and PDA, produces richer mobility life. Date and the leisure of course thing, being able to utilize even in business are the world of SUBARU G-BOOK.
The leading navigation system, is SUBARU G-BOOK probably how to change Carla if? Various possibilities are concealed there. As for safety & security of course thing, by the fact that, in various information such as communication and entertainment it accesses from the car, the personal computer and the portable telephone etc. from Carla if becomes something which is complete.
In the wide monitor of inch, Nabi function, the DVD navigation system which indicates various information such as vehicle information and each functional adjustment. Depending upon the high speed CPU of the 200MHz clock and the adoption of touch panel, the light operation without of having stress actualizing fast search リルート. In addition VICS FM and the VICS radio wave beacon which receive the information of procrastination standard loading (* 1). Standard it equips also the speech recognition microphone & the switch, also the operation of Nabi and SUBARU G-BOOK with voice is possible. In addition the SUBARU G-BOOK private communication module "DCM" which corresponds to the high-speed communication of maximum 144kbps standard equipment. You can utilize SUBARU G-BOOK at fixed amount fee of communication expense included.
Under a basic agreement unveiled by the two Japanese automakers, Toyota's G-Book telematics system would be loaded into Subaru cars to be sold in Japan in and after 2004.
G-Book, which is linked to the car navigation system, offers a wide range of interactive services from downloading music and karaoke to playing games and customised news reports.
The firms said in a joint statement that details of their alliance, including the name of specific models, conditions and timings would be decided later.
By forming what they dubbed the "first fully fledged alliance in the nation's telematics market", Toyota aims to make G-Book the industry standard in a highly lucrative market that some analysts say could top 60 trillion yen ($505.6 billion) in Japan.
The alliance is also seen as important for Toyota to brave competition with similar systems at rival automakers, such as Nissan Motor Co's CarWings and Honda Motor Co's InterNavi.
"Will Cypha", launched in October, was the first Toyota car equipped with G-Book. The automaker said all of its models released from mid-2003 that are equipped with navigation systems will include G-Book.
Then again a friend at work has a teenage son that spent $80 down loading those dumb little ring tones for his phone. You never know.
-juice
The G-Book is a great concept. It is a MUST if Subaru intends to move and shake with Acura, BMW etc...
--Sal
I still think in the coming years we will see a wide range of factory NAV/computer/e-mail units offered, even on bottom-feeder cars. I can see Corolla-like cars coming with just a basic NAV system, whereas Lexus-like cars will offer the works; NAV, e-mail, phone, games, you name it.
Bob
So I'm not sure you could market "pimped" options.
Then of course look how well those Dubs sell nowadays...I just don't want to see Subaru going after that fickle market.
-juice
Local Toyota dealers in the NYC area are advertising that they will "throw in" a NAV system if you buy the new Corolla now. Not sure which NAV system, but it's a start.
Mark
But there is a pattern, the import tuner cars provide some "ideas" to the mainstream consumer market. Wheels are getting larger, car audio is getting more sophisticated, car security is standard etc.
Dubs, maybe on the 7 seater. X5 and FX45 has dubs already.
Maybe we'll see spinners on minivans...
How about puttting a 42" plasma where the sunroof goes of a 2005 Outback?
Is America ready for a Subaru with a Karaoke machine in it? IMO, no.
In fact it would be the punch line of many jokes...
-Pimp Master juice
I would not buy the Forester XT with dubs, but someone did.
Lets have a Subaru Crew Karaoke party with your car? heheee
Karaoke - no
email - yes
games - no
navi - yes
bluetooth - yes
phone - yes
internet access - yes
back up camera - yes
climate control - yes
trip computer -yes
audio controls - yes
voice recorder for notes - yes
voice command - yes
Tuner cars are fun, but not my thing. I like them stock...
--Sal
But seriously, he was the e-Everything guy at Ford and none of that stuff ever materialized. Bill Ford Jr put them back on track - it's the product that counts, not the sprinkles.
Perhaps have one gadget model, perhaps it could be the VDC-n model some has asked for.
I don't want to pay for stuff I don't want.
-juice