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Bob
It is wider and taller, though.
The Clubman is interesting but a few turn-offs for me:
* it's pricey ($$)
* options are even more pricey ($$$)
* I don't like center-mounted gauges, and you have get GPS to move it ($$$$)
* even the base model wants premium fuel
I actually thought about a Cooper convertible but an S was in a whole other price league compared to the Miata, especially the new one.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2320468/
My guess is that we will finally see DI employed with these new engines.
Bob
For once come out with a technology at an affordable price level.
I'll be wrong, watch, it'll come on the $30k plus models first.
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090522_169812.html
Bob
Bob
Check out the window rain guards, the mirror covers with the turn signal light, and the black mesh grille.
I prefer our roof rack and more built-in Navigation system, though.
Length: 191.5" vs. 188.4"
Width: 73.9" vs 75.2"
Height: 66.4" vs 69.3"
Wheelbase: 108.2" vs 109.8"
Rear Hip Room: 54.6" vs. 56.5"
Rear Shoulder Room: 57.5" vs 59.5"
Rear Headroom: 38.2" vs 40.1"
Rear Legroom: 34.3" vs 38.3"
The Tribeca is actually a pretty long vehicle (it's even longer than a Honda Pilot), but has a shorter wheelbase than its competition and is not as wide. That has absoultely killed it in the marketplace vis-a-vis its main rivals and even against other vehicles in the Subaru family.
wilbur
MNSteve
I think it's ridiculous that the Forester has the same size gas tank as the Tribeca, seriously, why is that?
My minivan has a 21 gallon tank and I don't worry about gas until 400+ miles. That's how it should be.
With 16.9 gallons, the low fuel light comes on with 2.3 gallons left, so that's only 14.6 gallons in normal use. In city driving you may need to get gas every 250 miles.
Far too often.
The Tribeca is a slightly stretched Legacy/Outback with minimal changes to the basic chassis. Hence the same gas tank. Starting over was the only way to remedy the problem. I doubt that the Tribeca will continue very long now that there is a new larger Outback.
I have same problem with my STI. It's not gas mileage that bothers me, it is the range between gas stations that trully sucks.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
And of course it is the same problem with my 2005 3.0R Outback. But I'm not going to even look at a new one with a bigger tank since mine now has all of 18,000miles.
I think that it would be a mistake for Subaru to give up on a true 5+ person hauler. Last year, the new Forester cannibalized Outback sales. With the larger Outback, the Tribeca is indeed doomed, but Subaru would still lack a 5+ person hauler if they totally drop the Tribeca concept. Subaru needs to offer families something larger to totally keep them in the Subaru fold, otherwise, it's off to Minivan land for families that need a larger vehicle. A stretched Outback based on the Forester design (i.e., taller and boxier) could be a worthy competitor to the Honda Pilots, Highlanders, etc. of the world.
wilbur
What if the vehicle that replaces the current Tribeca (assuming there will be one) were to be a long-wheelbase (~ 113-115") Outback variant, with 3-row seating? I think the larger and taller body style of the new Outback would lend itself to such a conversion. Think Chevy Tahoe/Suburban type of relationship, but smaller of course. Maybe call it the Maxback.
Possibly even add two small rear-opening doors like those found on extended cab pickups (to make it a 6-door vehicle) in order to help access the third-row seats? I would also use the larger 18" wheels found on the Tribeca, but shod with 245/65 tires.
From a production standpoint it would certainly make sense, as most of the Outback's parts would be shared. That can't be said of the current Tribeca. Unlike the JDM Forester-based 7-passenger Exiga, it could easily be built in Indiana.
If such a vehicle were to be built, it could also serve as the basis for a larger next-gen Baja, if Subaru should decide to re-enter that market (which I hope they do).
Bob
Bob
Any on-the-road reviews of the OB? Can't find anything but a slew of sedan "quick-drives." All the photos are the same, so they all obviously attended the same press event and were handed a DVD with pics.
Bob
Loosh, you ought to head on down to a dealer, as most now have plenty of new Outbacks in stock. Take one out for a test drive and see for yourself. They are much roomier inside than before, yet are an inch shorter than the outgoing model.
Bob
A little difficult to assess, given the high-density area of the dealer. Nonetheless, here goes....
I may, just may, be tempted to walk away from a manual with this rig. Power delivery is smooth and assured, as the 2.5 has enough oomph to get the car up into the 70's from a stop well enough and with no drama.
Steering is quick, direct, and typically heavy, all positive Subaru attributes which have not been diluted.
Suspension is poised and comfortable, no canyon carver to be sure, but still with the european feel we all appreciate in these cars. I did not have a chance to wring it out, this is simply based on a more or less sedate test drive. I did have it off road briefly, which is when I really noticed the composure- no porpoising or excessive side to side sway.
I'd rather just have a wagon, I could do without the height, but there's little doubt this car will replace our current OB when the time comes; the thing is solid, seems to be well screwed together.
Visually, it just.....is. No big whoop. 16" wheels look dinky on the uncladded example I saw. 17s look better, 17s with arch cladding best. I'd like to see 16s with cladding, since I have a set of SSRs lying around from the GF Impreza
edit: PS, may be old news to you all. Dealer said the diesel is coming as a manual-only Forester, no immediate idea when.
Might we (USA) also get a WRX with leather once again?
Bob
We'll likely get it too. More info on the Canadian Imprezas here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27492436&postcount=43
Bob
I gotta get out and sample the same vehicle.
Visually, I agree, the OB doesn't look quite as nice as the outgoing one, but I do like the Legacy. Bring back the Legacy wagon.
Now I'm curious to sample the CVT since the Forester will get it.
I was well impressed with the CVT. Don't know when it will be OB time, but I won't rule it out.
New 2.5i grille can be seen here on this PDF.
https://www.subaru.com/content/downloads/pdf/brochures/2010_full_lifebook.pdf
It looks much like the current WRX/STI grille, but with a thin horizontal bar added. Also, 2010 Tribeca here too, but with little new info.
Bob
In fact I think it's closer to the mileage on the H6 5EAT than it is to the efficient CVT.
Bob
I'm not crazy about that grille - it looks like a moustache.
To be honest, that's not the problem. It's the bumper. Below the grille the bumper still caves in. It should just run straight across. Simple fix.
Our Sienna will coast forever. It just puts the trans in 5th (overdrive) and shuts off fuel completely. Mileage pegs the trip computer at 99mpg instantly.
With the Forester you let off the gas and you get slight engine braking, even on the highway, even down hill. Part of that is probably the shorter gearing (4th), but I'm guessing the extra drag from the AWD is hurting here - it won't coast half as far.
Wonder how the CVT does?
Well, it's $500 OVER the price of a Premium, which last year had all the items mentioned. Which leads to the question, how is the "Premium" premium over the base model now? I guess it still has alloys instead of wheel covers? If that's it, the extra $1000 it costs vs the base model is looking like less of a bargain than it was for '09.
Good ol' Sube, it is always so quirky when it comes to feature packaging. If I pay $25 grand for a WRX, all I get for a stereo is the same one the folks paying $179/month get in the base model Impreza. Which is not to say that the WRX is a bad deal at $25 grand, but as a big fan of the 10-speaker factory stereo Subaru is offering in the Imprezas, I would want that if I were buying a WRX.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The price of '10 Premium was lowered $1000, but I guess it's also sans moonroof and fog lights. In addition, I don't think the '09 Premium has AWP.
So, if I'm looking at this correctly, a comparably equipped '10 Premium (vs. '09 Premium) is $500 cheaper, plus you get the AWP package.
Bob
My as well throw the '10 Legacy in mix. :P
N.B. To an enginerd, "plan" means >2 years.
..Mike
..Mike
Bob
*Not* an expensive diesel either. Definitely a Passat TDI, not a 335d.