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I'd venture that it will have to come in under $40K US fully loaded to have a shot at selling.
Ed
(edit: checked the roof, yes it's a next-gen car.)
It sure would be nice to buy and keep in one of our sheds for another 20 years, then take out as an antique! What do you think?
Should I take it too?
I'm assuming the 2.5 turbo will remain part of the package, or the H-6. I think those vehicles will be the "bread-'n-butter" performance Legacys. I think the H-6 turbo will be like the Impreza STi—rare & pricey.
Bob
It sure would be nice to buy and keep in one of our sheds for another 20 years, then take out as an antique! What do you think?
Should I take it too?
but the M3 for $46k is deceptive. they can be optioned well into the 50s and often are.
-Colin
Parlez-vous Français?
Bob
Sounds like a rather extreme measure to keep the MSRP down...
Bob
Bob
Government could also chip in, one way, download some of the gas taxes we pay onto the people who like to drive gas hogs I:E. if you want to drive a pig that gets 10 miles to the gallon pay more of your share of the gas tax, if you drive a fuel efficient car like us responsible Subie owners pay less of your share of gas taxes.
Cheers Pat.
I concur with you about the need for fuel efficiency. Sadly, when I read these Subaru Crew boards, whenever the subject of what we want to see in future models comes up, most of the comments ask for longer, wider, faster, larger engined Subarus. That means more oil will need to be imported from our wonderful friends in the Middle East.
the US is a petroleum EXPORTER to Asia; mostly Japan. crazy stuff, eh?
-Colin
-mike
Most of the people posting here are avid car enthusiasts, hence the desire for more power. That's not to say they (we) don't have any social concerns. If that were to be the case, thee would be far more posts requesting 5+ liter engines, which is clearly not the case. In fact, a number "Crew" members have a strong distaste for SUVs and large pickups, or anything that is needlessly wasteful.
Bob
Token Politically Incorrect
5+liters + AWD = Wheeeeee!
After 9/11 I live for fun and myself. Life is way too short to worry about anything else!
-mike
The flip side of course is that the WRX runs on premium unleaded and the boxer engines and AWD drivetrain aren't as efficient as maybe they could be. Improvements in aerodynamics could help both fuel efficiency and styling, something Subarus have been criticized for over the years.
I believe that Bob has already touched on the introduction of performance diesels by BMW, and Peugeot recently showed running prototype diesel sports cars (called Diamonds and Spades IIRC). So the potential for others to explore that market exists. I won't get into politics here but leave to everyone's own thoughts what government's role in mandating or staying out of requiring alt-fueled vehicles should be, not to mention the conflicts caused by lobbyists and the personal financial interests of elected officials.
I'll just stick to cars and say these are exciting times for enthusiasts, whether due to new technologies or current world events.
ed
I've also often been an advocate here of large SUVs and pickups. Having said that, I "do" have a problem owning a very "inefficient and wasteful" vehicle. Our Explorer is right on the borderline, IMO. I can't wait for gas (or diesel) electric hybrids become the norm for mid and full-size SUVs and pickups.
Bob
-Dennis
TWRX
Ed
Like most of the members on these threads I am a total car nut, I like most us would love to have performance vehicle and like I said above good milage and performance are possible.
In europe where gas is much more expensive than here diesel vehicles are the norm, gas vehicles are in danger of becoming an endangered species, diesel = more miles per gallon,engines usually last at least twice as long as gas engines.
Also less maintenance no tuneups, the downside is that they are harder to start in cold climates, but that can be overcome I am sure.
Cheers Pat.
2.5 Turbo Forester In Alaska
Just to add fuel (albeit only 90 octane here in Fairbanks) to the debate, the Turbo Forester that was up here cold weather testing with the STi a few weeks ago was a 2.5 turbo.
On one of my forays by Subaru's hideout, the Forester was parked with its hood propped open. I took a careful look inside the engine compartment. It was the typical turbo setup with TMIC, etc, but varied in its arrangement of certain components, compared to my WRX. Of significant note, however, was the factory engine specification sticker that plainly stated "150 CID".
This, "150 CID", translates to roughly 2.5 liters, n'est pas?
Unfortunately, the STi was never left unguarded with its hood up.
That pretty much says it all for me...
Bob
Pat- In a sense that's already happening because the owner of a gas hog has to fill up that more often thus paying more in taxes.
Honestly, I don't think you'll see a significant move away from gas guzzling behemoths until the cost of a gallon goes above $2 and stays there.
-Frank P.
It really gets up my nose when you see just a driver with no passengers commuting along the freeway in Lincoln navigators and ford Excursions and the like.
Cheers Pat.
Sorry for being selfish, I live for today, for myself. Been too close to death to worry about things such as when the world oil supply is gonna run out.
-mike
and paisan, I'd live for others before I lived for myself. but that's your call.
-Colin
Bob
-Frank P. (who is kid-less by the way)
This is getting veeerry interesting!!!
Ken
Ed
-mike
http://www.media.subaru.com./
My guess, would probably be New York, in April, for the Forester, and not Chicago. I think Chicago will be devoted to the Baja turbo. I'm sure that will be the same engine that goes into the Forester.
Bob
TWRX
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=63
Bob
Ed
Bob
Ed
Jim
Folks, check out MSNcarpoint preview of the Detriot show.....very nice ones.....esp BMW X3(outback version of 3 series) & Maxima(looking like a boat ! getting bigger every year!)
it was a concept car they had a year or two back only.
Ken
Bob
Jim
http://media.prnewswire.com/en/jsp/tradeshows/events.jsp?option=tradeshow&beat=BEAT_ALL&eventid=1000564&view=LATEST&resourceid=2374754&JServSessionIdroot=mghpmcmzj1.JS2
Bob
And, it's the DOHC version so not the same EJ25 Phase II we see here in the US.
Ken
Ken, that's TMI. ;-)
Ed
Jim