Subaru Crew - Modifications II

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  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Thanks Juice for the tip! This will no doubt be my WRX's best buddy! :-)

    image

    Stephen
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    the Trunk Monkey comes with it? :-D

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    this one is far better if you know what you're doing:


    http://www.tolan-hoechst.com/cars/tirecalc.htm


    if not, then it'll just confuse you more. :-D


    -Colin

  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    The trunk monkey was the "mod". I already posted about the strut bar. :-) Oh well...that was my feeble attempt @ humor (or humour for our Canadian contingency). :-)

    Stephen
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    You are on a roll, keep going.

    Cheers Pat.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Stephen-
    hehe actually it was my feeble attempt to humor.
    Guess humor over humor don't work at-all at-all :-D
    Anyway, the strut bar, any cutting involved to mount them? I can't really tell from the pics [later and earlier] And would it be cumbersome to remove when cargo space is called upon?

    -Dave
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Ya know after I posted my reply I kind of felt like a goober because I realized you were probably joking...oh well! :-)

    The only cutting I had to do (well, didn't have to but chose to) was the hard plastic felt covers to fit around the strut bar where it mounts.

    To remove the strut bar you just take off the covers and unbolt from towers, 3 bolts each side. You could possible just unbolt the bar from where it bends as well. I don't carrying big loads to where I need to fold the seats down often. I thought about that before I went ahead and bought the strut bar. In addition, the bar is quite light.

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Trunk Monkeys are a performance mod. They can adjust your timing on the fly, like a riding mechanic. They help you qualify for HOV lanes, too. ;-)

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Also kind of like a rally co-driver. I understand monkenese quite well after living in Panama, even w/Mr. Mahoney's Irish brogue (worse when he drinks...but only does it when he's at the bar...ah strut bar)! :-)

    Did someone say it's Friday? I feeling a bit crazy!

    Stephen
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    The suspension setup will fit any 93-01 AWD Impreza properly. It might be modified to fit other Subaru models but I make no guarantee of fitness to that application.

    7kg/mm front springs, 6kg/mm rear
    (about 392lb/in and 335lb/in)
    16 way single adjustment for compression and rebound
    ride height adjustable

    also included are rear STi strut mounts ("hats") and front Cusco camberplates. everything will be shipped fully assembled ready to install. 3 spare spring collars provided along with spanner wrench. original owner had one spring perch freeze in place-- I coated the threads and perches in milspec rust preventative to avoid a similar fate.

    This suspension is ideal for anyone competing in autocrosses, driving schools or track days. Depending on your tolerance and local roads, the suspension will be somewhere between "acceptable" and "brutal" on the street. I've lived with it for over a year with no serious complaints, but it isn't for everyone and again, I stress serious motorsport enthusiast use only.

    new price for coilovers est. $1200, camberplates $250, STi mounts $150.
    $1000 or best offer

    quick sale desired, trades not considered
    purchaser to pay full amount plus any applicable shipping in advance via bank transfer, money order, or cashier's check. references from previous transactions available on request.

    Finder's fee reward! If you refer someone to me who completes the transaction and they give credit to you for telling them about the items, I'll send you $50. They must mention your name.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That would be wild on a Forester, hmm...

    Nah, gotta carry the kid in that car. Interesting thought, though.

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    the Vishnu Stage 0. Check out this thread:


    http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1813709#post1813709


    Stephen

  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    One man's trash is another man's treasure....*warning* high resolution picture and inexperienced web home page creator may result in long downloads or views....


    http://home.swbell.net/jmandr/dailypicture.html


    See any WRX parts? I also changed the brakes while I had the wheels off. Backs still had 30%+, but wow, am I ever glad I did the fronts, they had 5-10% max, somewhere between 1/16th and 1/8 of an inch remaining, I would guess. First impressions are that I love them and I didn't realize how sloppy my handling had been with my worn tires. It's late, and I'm tired from all that work today. Goodnight. (11:20 pm CST Sunday)


    Jim

  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Stephen - I was just checking out that thread a little while ago. I got a chuckle out of you and Al going at it.

    Jim - Looks very nice!

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That is one fine looking Legacy. Its owner should be proud.

    -juice
  • ponmponm Member Posts: 139
    I know many of you have done anywhere to subtle to outlangeous upgrades on your car. While I am looking for increased performance, I do not want void my warranty(I'm not in a financial position to do that). I know I can purchase a k&n filter, add a larger roll bar and do a wheel upgrade, but what else is a available, or even suggested? IN addition, besides just the regular 40-60 dollar k&n filter, do they make any other upgrades?
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    First off, you should know that a modification does not immediately void your warranty. A dealer may give you a hard time for warranty repairs if they see a modification, but by the Magnusson-Moss act, they need to prove that the modification caused the failure in order for them to legally deny warranty work.

    Having said, that, how much do you want to spend? ;-)

    A smart way to do modifications is to improve the driver, then handling/braking and chassis performance and finally add more power.

    The best bang for your buck modification other than taking performance driving classes is to upgrade your wheel/tire combo and the rear sway bar.

    A K&N filter will not make much of a difference despite their claims.

    Also, it is much harder and costly to upgrade engine performance in naturally aspirated cars than a turbo. What do you drive?

    Ken
  • ponmponm Member Posts: 139
    I drive a wrx 5 speed wagon, so the rear sway bar is probably the first on the list. OF course, tire and wheel combo is not far behind. I have no plans to auto-cross or anything else, just a few minor adjustments and a weekend hobby. I would like to do a new exhaust and down pipe, but in Missouri, we have anal, I mean "annual" emissions tests. I was considering a blow off valve, k&n filter, and a rear sway bar for the first round. Compared to stephen's vishnu stage 0, mine seems like a kindergarten talk. If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

    -scott
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Scott,

    From what I've read over at i-club, a BOV really doesn't do much unless your engine is heavily modded. I think the uppipe mod gives the most gains.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    An underdrive pulley will get you better throttle response, so you can match revs when down shifting. A manual boost controller yields a good cost/benefit ratio, but you can only go so far before other components need upgrading.

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    for the comments. Here's another shot that shows the way they fill out the wheel well. Same site, I just changed the picture.


    http://home.swbell.net/jmandr/dailypicture.html


    If the offset is the same, and the WRX rims are 1/2 inch wider, do I split the difference (i.e. 1/4 inch) in terms of how much further they "stick out"? Just wondering.


    Jim

  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Remember I have a '99 2.5 GT in Silver.....

    "One set of prodrive p-7's good cond.one scrap on edge of one wheel. And one set of sumitomo HRZ 2 tires with about 8k always rotated just balanced. 2 tires have plugs about 4k ago. asking $ 900.00 or best offer. Will deliver if in the Baltimore Washinton area."

    I assume these are 17X7
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Aren't P7s super pricey? Seems like a very low price for hardly used rims.

    Hmm, would those fit a 2002 Legacy? ;-)

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    might fit.
    I think 2000 and later Legacy's offset moved to +48mm.

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Real P7s are $225 each usually, sometimes a bit cheaper (group buy, etc). The HTR ZII is a good inexpensive summer tire... think Kumho 712, Yokohama AVS Intermediate. In other words Loosh, they couldn't hold the jock of the S-03s you're currently using.

    So in my opinion, the primary interest here is looks but those are in question due to the damage. I'd need to see pics of the wheels before deciding the value of this deal. I'd initially say sure it's a steal, but if one wheel has serious cosmetic issues (or is even physically damaged) then maybe not.

    Also check pricing of the 17" tires you would replace the Sumitomos with and compare the price to the 16" tires you'd otherwise use. They could be neat on the Outback eh? ;-)

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    make sure they aren't replicas v. bonefide genuine thing. That will effect price a lot.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    right, there's a cheap chinese (I think) replica and then there's also a model of Rota wheel (USA) that's extremely close in appearance and quite a bit cheaper.

    -Colin
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ...I should probably pass. As kewl as Anthracite P7s could look on my car, I'd rather spend money on good rubber than 17" rims and not so good tires. I bet good rubber for 17" gets to be a mint. 16" is bad enough! I've got the GT rims with the PPs on now, and the RS rims awaiting some form of auto-x tire. I think I will probably just plus zero the OB, which will open up a lot more tire choices (65 vs. 70 aspect ratio)

    Still, it'd be cool to have 17s........
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    How are Baltimore's potholes? In DC, I wouldn't want 17s.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Geez, I posted my coilovers for sale in the iClub's private classifieds and immediately they got a ton of views, numerous people asking about them within minutes, and a buyer sending money less than 8 hours later.

    Now a pessimist might say I'm not getting full value for what I'm selling.

    Bah. I'm getting enough. I got my use out of them and am really ready to get rid of them and install my SPT springs / KYB AGX struts. Driving to KC Sunday and that'll be a *very* welcome change.

    -Colin
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Loosh: Wish I'd known you had an inkling of interest in P7s. I'd have sold you the set I tried to run on the Forester. They didn't come with tires, though. As you know I live near Philly and, potholed as PA roads can be, I understood the reputation of Speedline wheels (makers of P7 for Prodrive) as being very sturdy.

    As it is I ended up selling them to a WRX owner in the St. Louis area. He posted a pic of them installed on his "STi replica" silver sedan on the i-club earlier this week. Even with shipping I ended up breaking even on the whole deal.

    Not exactly a steak to a Rottweiler, I know. I didn't get a lot of interest in them initially. Seems most people looking for aftermarket wheels favor light weight over durability, as if they plan on every day being a track day.

    Ed
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    That's o.k. Somehow I missed that you were selling. I honestly don't know if I want to spend that much on the car. I need to remind myself to balance my car nuttiness with other things like home improvement, travel, musical gear, etc.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let the Piranha eat. Sell it quick, it's done, no regrets.

    I got two nibbles on my wife's car already, and if I sell it today I will be thrilled.

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    You said that the Prodrive went for around$225 each new, you also said that the ones you mentioned had fairly cheap tires.

    I don,t know about where you are but as a rule of thumb half of the new price used is more than fair, now I have sold a lot of rims and tires used over the years.

    Some of them were relatively new as I did not like them once they were on the car, I was never able to get much better than half my origional cost.

    So if you had been getting those Prodrive for about $ 650 it would have been worth thinking about, especially since as I recall one had some slight damage.

    Cheers Pat.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Could not agree more with that assessment, when you sell something quickly without too much hassle rejoice and be glad that you are not stuck with it.

    When something sells quickly there is tendency to think you sold too cheap, and sometimes 50 bucks more means you are stuck with it forever it is all relative.

    Cheers Pat.

    BTW the way Colin congrats. on a quick sale.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I once had a buyer for my old Sprint, but I thought the price was low so I held out. A week later, I couldn't find a buyer so I called him back and asked if he was still looking for a car. I was lucky, he was, but I knocked $50 off the price for his trouble.

    I could have made $50 more and saved a week of hassles.

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    true. that was my thinking in the end. Tough though because there is a lot of demand for those Prodrives. I doubt Ed sold his for much less than new.....of course, they were new! =)
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Which makes me wonder why SoA didn't try to do a deal with Prodrive. Or did they?

    Looks like the Tire Rack is selling lots of Prodrive wheels. Every meet I go to, I see a new WRX with Prodrives.
    Went to a dinner meet last Wednesday night with only 10 cars. One Rex had P7's and an RS had P1's.

    -Dennis
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Hi all,

    It took about 3 hours of work to swap the suspension on my RS today. I removed Tein type HA coilovers with rear STi top mounts and front Cusco camberplates in favor of all stock mounts, SPT (Eibach) springs and KYB AGX struts. I had the AGX struts on before the coilovers but was using stock springs with them.

    First observation-- the car is very nearly as low as I had it with the coilovers. Maybe 3/4" higher, not bad. Also, my 205/55-16 Firestone SZ50EPs clear the struts by like 1/8" or so... this is exactly why I bought 205/55-16s instead of another set of 225/50.

    I could immediately tell that the suspension was nowhere near as harsh, literally backing out of the driveway told me as much. I've since discovered that I've got an unbelievable amount of ride comfort and I honestly can tell a marked handling improvement over stock. (I remember what it was like!). Once the car has taken a set ultimate grip really isn't far off what the coilovers offered. Obviously with the much higher spring rate, they were crisper in abrupt transitions than what I have now, but again it isn't bad at all.

    Overall I'm very pleased with this change and thrilled to be rid of the coilovers. Now let's see if I can get an alignment tomorrow before I head to KC... But yes, the suspension gets a 180 mile each-way trip so I'll soon have a good idea about the touring comfort too.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin,

    Sweet -- so you got back quite a bit of comfort without sacrificing a whole lot of performance. Did you do the swap yourself?

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Yep, that was my 5th time doing it... Installing KYB AGX struts with stock springs, installing coilovers with stock top hats, installing coilovers with camberplates & STi mounts, installing a friend's coilovers and finally this time, installing the SPT springs with AGX struts.

    Didn't get to make that trip though, more about that later.

    -Colin
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    is on:

    http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=99c65c7d1b7a4b62c2143e317c4a9fca&threadid=391

    As you can see, it doesn't extend any farther than the stock tip did, just bigger.

    I lost control of one of the cat-back nuts and it fell into the cat heat shield assembly. All the associated fasteners were corroded beyond help, so the nut stays where it is and we went and got new ones (after 90 minutes of struggle and profanity).

    Got it all on and went for a drive....
    The "quiet" is marginally louder than stock at idle and cruise, with a pleasing boxer burble. It is quite a bit louder under load, with that sporty hiccup when I lift off; I would not have wanted the medium, that's for sure. No hot-shoe performance gain until 5000, when the car continues to pull to redline instead of dropping off. Perhaps marginally better throttle response. I won't be able to assess this for real until the auto-x on 5/5...too much traffic

    Overall I am quite happy with my purchase. It looks purposeful and mature instead of in-your-face and, er, long grain. Sound is just what I wanted, and I anticipate a performance gain around the cones and at the track.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool, Colin, I'm sure your back will appreciate it.

    Loosh: nice that it doesn't have a coffee can bolted to the end of it. Is the tip a little short, though? Guess I didn't see what the OE looked like before.

    I need some help from electric experts. Here's the scoop: I'm adding a rear view mirror with lights on the bottom of it to my *cough* Miata *cough*. Got it from a junk yard Lumina, of all places. Any how, I ran the wires from the standard interior lights, which still work, all the way up to the mirror.

    DANG NABIT I could not figure out the wiring. Kept blowing fuses, or it would not work at all. The wiring is like this - I ran a positive and a negative up to the mirror.

    Coming out of the mirror were two black wires. I opened it, and one wire goes to each light. Then there is a green wire and a yellow wire, both going from one light bulb to the other, like a loop.

    I tried connecting positive to one black wire, negative to the other - got nothing. Maybe the bulbs are out now that I think about it. Then I tried connecting both black to the positive, the green to the negative - fuse pops.

    I need suggestions, please!

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    And test the mirror itself on your battery terminal to see that it works properly. Then take it from there. :)

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    There is an article in Sports Compact Car, June edition, on a Vishnu Stage 0 pkg'd WRX. I haven't read the article yet but plan on visiting Barnes & Noble to see if they have it yet.

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Knowing me, I'll get sparks shooting up all over the place. I already cut my darn finger while pulling the fuse box cover off.

    Then again, what fun are mods if you don't have a battle scar to show off? :-)

    I bet the bulbs are burned out. Two reasons: the two black wires are the only ones that leave the unit, so one has to be + and the other ground, right? The other reason? It's from a Lumina. ;-)

    Why the green and yellow loops, though? There is no switch on the unit itself.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Stephen - What, you don't have a subscription?
    Not many surprises (to i-clubbers) in the Vishnu article. What I thought was interesting was that they lost h.p. after an ECU reset.
    When they hit the dyno, they had just returned from a hard driving/high mileage trip through a couple of states. They did an ECU reset and lost 10 h.p.!

    We have smart ECU's in our cars! :-)

    -Dennis
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    no, I don't have a subscription...I'm too cheap! :-)

    Yeah, I heard about the ECU reset dropping HP. I believe it's only temporary as it adjusts to whatever mods have been made. I've had fun w/my Pocketlogger and Palm Pilot. About 3wks ago I got a CEL. I was just doing errands, nothing crazy or stressful on the car. I made an appt to bring the car in but that night the CEL went away and has never been back. The code was stored in the ECU and I extracted it w/the Pocketlogger. It was code 0303; misfire on #3 cylinder. My next oil change is also during my 15k maintenance and I'll have it checked out. I started to record a log today as I was going to the gym but my batteries on the Palm Pilot were low so I aborted it. I did save a bit and will try to download to my computer. I'm having fun w/it. :-)

    Stephen
  • ponmponm Member Posts: 139
    I'm thinking about removing the subaru off the back of my wrx wagon, I know you have done it, and have put numerous posts in the forums about it. Just curious, what did you need to do to get the badges off. I need fine details, considering my wife says tells me I can't do it, or in her exact words, " you'll f?*^ up the paint!" Which I don't want to mess up the paint, but I believe removing the subaru badge, and also the sticker the dealer smacked on there would make a large visual improvement. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

    -scott
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