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Honda Civic: Problems & Solutions
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An EX...? Really? Salvage title?
Wow!
www.Honda-Acura.net
--- Bror Jace
My local Honda dealer (Clinton Honda)is offering to install Honda a/c for $1150.00. They told me that they've had the AC kit for 2 years and they are sending it back to Honda the week of July 9th.
Is my car too old to consider having the dealers' tech tear eveything apart to install it? I'm totally paranoid just knowing what has to be done to install it, and is their price reasonable. It comes with a 12month 12k warranty.
Please respond back quickly--I would appreciate it. Thank You.
June 2001
Safety recall: Civic fuel pump connector
Dear Civic owner: this notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
What is the reason for this notice?
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Has determined that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists with the fuel pump in certain 2001 Civic sedans. The fuel pump may fail due to corrosion of an electrical terminal. If the pump stops working, the engine will stall without waring, and a crash could occur.
What should you do?
Call any authorized Honda automobile dealer and make an appointment to have your vehicle inspected. If necessary, the dealer will install a new fuel filter kit that includes new terminals for the fuel pump connector. This repair will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your car for at least half a day to allow the dealer flexibility in scheduling.
Bla bla bla about contacting a dealer or the NHTSA if you feel a dealer has not handled your call promptly (which Honda defines as 60 days after you initially call the dealer).
Honda Consumer affairs Dept
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http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recmmy1.cfm
You may need to cut and paste the link above to get it all in your browser's address line.
The second problem is with starting the car. After driving the car for just a few minutes (e.g. a trip to the grocery store), it is often very difficult to start back up. When you first try to start it, it soundd like it is starting, but then just die. Then it won't start unless you let it sit for 5 minutes or so (when trying to start it sounds like a car with a carborator would sound if it was flooded). After a few minutes, it will start and run fine. Again, this problem seems to be exacerbated by the heat (don't have the problem during winter).
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I love this, only a Honda would get the following complaint: "My Honda has 150,000 miles on it and it will sometimes stall and the A/C isn't as strong as it used to be ..."
Most owners of most cars would have already written off their car after 10 years and 150,000 miles. If the thing ran AT ALL they'd be thanking the stars and heaven above. But, people expect miracles from Honda cars and this is why we have so many complaints.
Now, for a weak A/C, have the freon level checked. As for why the car may die if you leave it idling, the car has a well-used 1.5L motor and the A/C compressor is a serious drag on it. You just have to realize that you can't have it all: great fuel economy and gobs of extra torque to handle such burdens with aplomb. My old 400 CID V8 Chevy Caprice used to have a great, powerful A/C ... but it got 12mpg ... if I was LUCKY!
All I'm saying is people need to be more realistic. Yes, I'm not terribly impressed with the 2001 Civic ... but it's not the lemon so many people here make it out to be.
--- Bror Jace
My 2 cents.
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Don't rain on this guy's parade. He might expect it to last 10 years/250k. It might not be absurd to think so, either. I have a '97 EX coupe with 165,079 miles and it's still purring like a kitten. Can barely hear the engine when it idles. Drives smoothly, great gas mileage, and still looks great (Vogue Silver Metallic is holding up well).
Chris Owens
Cincinnati, Ohio
Has anyone experienced this?
I don't get the rpm problem, but the graded logic might be kicking in when you make the corner turn.
I own a 2000 civic si and took it in for a routine 30,000-mile maintenance and got majorly screwed by a certified honda dealer service center. The car was running fine till I let these grease monkeys adjust the valves, which is more than their IQ. When I got the car, after spending 4 hours sitting in the waiting room, the check engine light came on and the idle was jumping around. The car would stall out if you pushed the clutch. I drove the car right back in for an explanation and they told me it was bad gas. They blamed the dirt in the gas was clogging the fuel filter and injectors, they also replaced the distributor assembly and spark plugs, at an additional cost of $120 to me, to attempt fix the problem. I had that tank of gas previously for 2 days and drove the car fine till I let those mentally impaired mechanics work on it. They told me to drive the remaining three quarters of the tank dry before bring it back in, otherwise they would charge me, again, to drop the fuel tank and drain it. I just spent $500 for routine maintenance that CERTIFIED honda mechanics are suppose to know how to do, and now have a car that's barely running compared to the condition when I brought the car in. I was not going to give these high school dropouts additional money to drain the fuel tank to diagnose, if it was the problem they caused. I heard them telling other people about bad gas in their cars also, it seems to be a common excuss for them to use because of their crappy work on cars.
I high DO NOT recommend taking your car to the honda dealer/service center located on waukegan rd and dempster in Morton Grove, Illinois.
I called corporate honda and they can't do much against these local honda dealer and service center, except refer you to another service center to check the car out (Additional cost if you want the new dealer to work on anything). So if it isn't broke, don't fix it, no matter what the un-qualified honda service representative tells you.
Certified honda service doesn't mean a thing
Well, this problem sounds identical to the one I experienced with my '89 Civic. This problem resulted from a bad ignition switch. Parts and labor came to $120 (three years ago). I really mean identical, because the problem was worse in hot weather, and the noise reminded me of a flooded carburetor.
What do you say Auburn63?
BTW: I'm still driving both cars. The '85 is at ~245,000 miles, and the '89 is pushing 175,000 miles.
As for the A/C if system is full then I would think either expansion valve or thermostat.But without seeing the pressures or knowing them it is hard to say.
You're the man, and I'm going to sit down.
At that mileage, I'd have the whole CV joint replaced (maybe both) and not just the boot.
--- Bror Jace
BTW: with the A/C, I have had freon checked a couple of times and I am pretty sure the compressor has already been replaced. It didn't help. I look into the expansion valve suggestion.
By the way I had to make a quick run to UAB in Alabama (false alarm on a kidney tranplant) and this car was averaging 40 mpg while running 80mph or more with A/C. Wow that's awesome for a car with 128K, well now 129K on it. Had the timing belt done last week too. That's why the coolant was low I'll bet.
My car? a '95 Civic Coupe DX ... with a K&N intake and DC Sports cat-back exhaust ... and over 104,000 miles on the clock.
My mileage would be even higher if I kept the original 13"x5" wheels with 175R13 tires. When I switched to a 14"x6" wheel and 185/60HR14 tire, I lost between 1-2 mpg.
--- Bror Jace
PS - Fxashun, they probably didn't COMPLETELY bleed the cooling system when the changed the belt. Did you have the waterpump changed at the same time? Keep an eye on it ... and watch what coolant you use in that thing. Hondas hate your typical coolants. They want the ones free of silicates, borates, etc ...