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Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts)

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  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    RE: Rav & S100, my concerns about the NuFinish started this whole thing. Thats why I used the S100 on the RAV...nothing else. Still, thought the Camry is 4 years old and we have no garage, I doubt I used the Nu Finish more than 4 times ayear...perhaps though, that and the Cleaner Wax wore down what was a VERY VERY (stingy thin) layer provided by Toyota. The car does not look horrible except on one door at an angle. I am begining to think I need to apply a sealant like (perhaps) Liquid Glass to keep the dirt away from the paint...not sure. Fow now we'll see how the S100 protects it.

    I went out at lunch and parked in the shade. I liberally sprayed the door with the Spray N Clay lubed then glided the clay over the surface. I noticed no difference on the door and anywhere they paint was imbeded with the dirt. It did remove the bugs. The clay is quite sticky, I assume thats why you use the lube...perhaps I sprayed to much lube on...I'll try again later....

    You would think using teh NuFinish 2 - 4 times a year would have no ill affect...I still think its a lousy clear coat job!
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    You could have lousy clear coat applied, things happen to the best of cars. I can't remember if you said that you bought this Toyota new or used, so I will have to think that it was new out of the box and no body work has been done on the vehicle.

    What did the clay bar look like after you used it? Was it dirty? When I clayed my hood to get off paint over spray or something from the factory I had to lightly rub in circles in a small area. I would say that for a 1 sq. ft. area I moved the clay bar around that area for 30 secs., maybe a little more. Once the clay bar gets dirty it won't remove as well, so you will have to fold the dirty side into itself over and over. Removing road tar depends on how long it has been on the paint. I had a very hard time removing tar even with tar remover. It took me a long time to get the tar off by soaking the tar area and lightly using a cloth over and over again.

    Keep us informed of your progress, we can all learn something from this.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    You can also try using rubbing alcohol on tar and bugs. It removes the wax/sealant as well so plan on reapplying.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    The Clay bar looked clean except for the bumper where it took off the bugs.

    This evening I tried again, same results. One thing that really bothered me was this hazy spot on my door. Upon close examination, it actually looked like a clean spot. Against better judgement I did around and thru it with the NuFinish rubbing hard. Now I had a big solid white circle. It would seem the hazy area was actually the clean spot. I did the whole door and it looks new again. Whether or not there is clearcoat is there hard to say! Now the pain in the [non-permissible content removed] is that the door looks cleaner than some of the surrounding parts of the car. I personally think I just need some magic liquid I can wipe the car off with to cleanse out any discolration and get everything uniform again. Maybe Nu Finish is not the answer because it is too abrasive. Is the Meguiars cleaner wax abrasive if applied liberally and rubbed hard? If cleaner wax is not abrasive, maybe I need to try another brand.

    Maybe the car really does need to be done by a professional. Like I said, its not looking too bad now. Perhaps in the fall, I'll dawn it, clean it up and try the Liquid Glass sealant....unless the S100 holds up.

    Thanks again everyone.

    I just saw a note, someone had asked where I was from...I'm in PA, and yes the car is outside all the time.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    OK, so the white Camry has splotches and stains all over it? And they don't wash off with shampoo? The only thing that removes them is a rather aggressive polish like NuFinish?

    Do you live or work near chemical plants or some kind of heavy industrial area? Do you live or work downstream of steel mills or smokestack plants?

    Reason I ask is I've run into this problem before. A family member used to work for a chemical processing plant and they'd have, um... "emissions" on a regular basis. This person had a white Toyota truck coincidently and it would get stained a very light grey on a pretty regular basis whenever the plant had an issue. It was detailed several times over the years but eventually had to be repainted at company cost due to the damage.

    I'm not suggesting your car is having the same problems as I have no idea what is really going on. But it is unusual that this car has so many strange paint issues. At this point I'd suggest a 3-stage decontamination bath followed by machine paint polishing and topped with a polymer paint sealant for superior protection. This should get all the dirt and crud out of the paint's pores, removing any swirl marks and whatnot and should bring back the showroom shine.

    You might want to talk to a couple of detailers and see what they say. Tell them you want the swirls and marring removed, not hidden with a glaze or oily polish stuff that makes paint look great but doesn't last. Ask them if they offer some kind of decontamination wash process that will chemically remove the crud from the paint without damaging it. A good detailer should not have to resort to aggressive machine compounding but light to moderate machine polishing will likely be needed to restore the paint gloss.

    I wish I could see the car in person and play with a few things to find out what the problem really is. Chemical contamination, industrial fallout, acid rain and other nasty things definitely take a toll on paint jobs. Some wax is better than no wax at all so it's good you're keeping up with it. Keep us all posted on how things go for you.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    NO CHEMICAL PLANTS NEARBY. I will stop at a body shop. The car does not look too bad. But after 6 months or so you can see splotchy dirt on the bumper hood and sometimes other places. It does not wash off. NuFinsh gets it off....or the cleaner wax. I think the reason the paint looks so uneven is I tried to clean too big an area at at time, rubbing harder in some areas than others. I took my time (10 minutes) to do the upper half of my door and it now looks great. But thats a long time...I likely need a proffessional's help and then a sealant...or do a little each night.

    Is the Meguiars Cleaner Wax a good one. Is it abrasive?
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Without seeing what's going it is very hard to guess what's happening. Using NuFinish probably did clean the paint and make it look different than the rest. Another question, did you use dawn to remove the S100 from the door you did yesterday at lunch before you clayed it? The S100 would seal the dirt that was in your paint to begin with and without taking off the wax, I don't think the clay bar would look very dirty since it would be taking off the wax and not much more.

    I would think that the wax should be removed before using a clay bar or the clay bar would be full of wax. I don't like to hear the hard rubbing that has to be done to remove the spots from the paint as this can change the looks of the clear coat if it gets scratched.

    Dawn, clay bar and sealer/wax, if that doesn't take out those spots then you need to talk to a pro.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Yup, dawn'd the door first. Is the cleaner wax abrasive?
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    sounds similar to my situation...now if only it described what a good cleaner wax would be.....

    http://site.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=39
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Member Posts: 681
    If I read your post correctly, you said you dawned your car, clayed it and it looked hazy. You need to rewash after you clay. Did you do that?
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    No, the haze was locked in under the S100. It turned out not to be haze anyway but rather a clean spot. If you google: White Paint Car Cleaner Wax

    you will find a bunch of stuff folks with white cars sometimes deal with. The post above shows a link to one such article.

    For my car I really need to
    1) dawn it
    2) apply a cleaner wax getting the paint clean and even
    3) S100 it

    My trouble is I have to really fight with the Meguiars Cleaner wax to get a nice even clean finish...likely because the car has not been properly cared for the last 4 years...not that it been let dirty, just that on white cars rain and dirt get into the paint...or so I have read...

    My only remaining question would be...is the Meguiars cleaner wax, even when rubbed hard, non abrasive? Is it safer to use it then NuFinsih...to me it works a little better? If so great I'll buy some more unless there is another brand reccomendation.....
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    If it's the stuff in the burgundy-colored bottle, yes, it is abrasive but it's pretty mild. Nufinish is more aggressive. The cleaning power of NuFinish is stronger than the Meguiar's, which is probably why you have to rub harder with Meguiar's to get results.

    Both products are close enough in performance that one could replace the other if you want to. Put it this way; both products are priced similarly and are marketed to the same customer base.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    I believe that part of his problem has been using a product with abrasives in it to remove the dirt from the paint for years. Applying excess pressure to a product that has abrasives in it, plus the dirt that he is removing is also abrasive leaves the clear coat with more small scratches that can hold even more dirt.

    This is sort of like scratching a skin rash as it will only make things worse.
  • charleytampacharleytampa Member Posts: 43
    I'm considering buying a 1993 Cherokee with 116k miles from my boss for 750. It's got a ton of new parts and looks to be in good condition, with the exeption of the paint.

    Basically, if the paint were good it would be worth around 2k or so. It's a green paint job but it's faded and turned black on the hood and roof, with the white edging that surrounds the black portion before it merges into the original green paint.

    My question: I've heard that if you buff aggressively with a compound and then wax it like crazy it will look fairly decent and you should even get the original color back, to a point. Does anyone know if this is true? Or is the only solution actually repainting the vehicle?

    Thanks
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Is the quick detailer suitable over the s100 car wax in between waxings?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    It's hard to say for sure without seeing it and playing with different polishes and waxes, but I do know the Florida sun is absolute murder on paint jobs. Even well-cared for cars have problems there. It sounds like the clearcoat is failing based on your description. It's impossible to restore the paint job at this stage. Some people polish and use glazes and waxes to spruce up fading paint but it's a temporary fix.

    $750 is a great price for a good running Jeep. Those things will last forever with basic maintenance, esp. if it has the 6 cyl. motor. I'd grab it if it checks out and ignore the paint problem if it were me.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    Yep, it'll work just fine.
  • charleytampacharleytampa Member Posts: 43
    Bretfraz,

    Thanks for your response. i was contemplating purchasing the jeep and I'm almost postiive I'm going to buy it; I may even sell my corolla and drive this thing around for a few years. It's not as 'comfortable' or as dependable, per se, but not having to pay a car payment plus increased insurance is very very nice right now.

    I may go ahead and try to buff the problem areas out and then seal and wax the living daylights out of it. I don't know what kind of results I will get, but I figure it's worth a shot.

    The ac even works! Quite well, too. A pity it is 13 years old, but with only 116k miles on it I expect it will last to 175k or so with no problem. I used to drive an 81 k car (chrysler e class) in college back in 97 or so and while everything else may have quit on me (windows, air, radio, all those types of things) that car never QUIT running, even with over 250k miles on it.

    im actually pretty excited about the purchase...anyone wanna buy an almost new corolla? ;)
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    ...it appears to last at least a year. My vehicles still bead water after a year, and they're always parked outside. I haven't found any other wax/polish that lasts this long.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Ok, since I do use the Cleaner wax on my Camry and they had this deal at Big Lots for 32oz Cleaner Wax and 32.oz QD for $9.99 I bought it. Is the QD meant to be used as a cleaner, say after it rains and your car is spotted...or must you wash the car first.

    Thanks!
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    QD's are best used when the car is lightly soiled, like it has fingerprints, light dust, light bug residue or whatnot on it. If you find you have to use a lot of QD to get a section of the car clean, you should probably wash instead of QD.

    It's a judgement call. Try it a few different ways and see how it works for you. For me, if I have to use several towels while QDing, the car's too dirty and should be washed.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Your going to get a lot of different answers with this one. I would "always" wash my car before using any product on the paint. Dirt/light dust is best removed by washing with car soap and water. I can't see how a QD is going to remove that dust safely without leaving small scratches in the clear coat over time.

    Remember, rain water is not the same as the water that comes out of your faucet. If you have acid rain in your area you will be leaving that acid rain on your finish and applying something over it. You will be keeping the acid rain on your finish constantly. Use the QD in between waxing when you wash your car and be safe.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    A couple of questions for you? Before you clay part of your car are you washing it fully? Also, when you wash it, are you drying it completely after?

    You mentioned in a couple of your posts that you washed your car and let it dry over night. You woke up and was surprised to see water spots. Almost always, when you do not towel or shammy your car dry you will have water spots.

    It is my opinion, that once you fully clean and clay your car you do NOT need to use a cleaner wax at every waxing.

    One last thing...one important thing you need to remember when you use clay to clean your car is to use enough lubricant (detailer) so the clay does not adhere to the paint surface. If you don't use enough lubricant, you will see marks left by the clay material.
  • manarakimanaraki Member Posts: 40
    I have been told to wash my microfiber towels seperately with mild soap. Also to dry them on low tumble. My other question is, do you guys also wash your car washing mits?? If so, would it be dumb to wash them with the microfiber towels?? Thanks
  • smokey75smokey75 Member Posts: 434
    Typically you don't want to wash your microfiber towels with anything else because they will attract lint. Also, don't use fabric softener when washing them.
  • manarakimanaraki Member Posts: 40
    What about the wash mits? Do you wash those also?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Anyone have experience with "Liquid Glass"? I know it's not really a wax but rather a coating...it looks kinda cool in ads.

    I have a 42 year old Mercedes that gets a yearly wax (the car is infrequently driven)...I stripped off all the old wax and started fresh about 10 years ago, but for the past few years the paint has started to dull, and new coats of wax (Meguiars) don't seem to help. Suggestions?
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    I can't justify putting a wash mitt in the washer alone so I hose it off well after washing the car. If I need to wash it by hand, I do that but because I use a separate bucket of plain water to rinse it when washing my car, it doesn't get all that dirty. I give it a visual and if there are any specs of dirt stuck to the fibers, I pull them off.
  • smokey75smokey75 Member Posts: 434
    I don't wash my mitts every time but I do occasionally.
  • smokey75smokey75 Member Posts: 434
    Consumer Reports just tested several waxes & the winner for liquid waxes was Black Magic. Anyone have any experience with this one?
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Makes you wonder how those they didn't test would fare.
  • smokey75smokey75 Member Posts: 434
    Yeah, I wondered the same thing.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    I read this months comparison of the wax/polish test and wasn't surprised by what was said about the NuFinish liquid/paste, that it scratched the clear coat(leaving it dull) and the finish wasn't as glossy as when they started.

    Wish they would have said how and what they did to age the paint finish during the test period. Maybe I missed that since I was reading the article while waiting for my wife and I didn't have that much time.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    ...wish they had reported that a few years back when it was the #1 rated....perhaps the formulation changed....

    On another note...I used my Meguiars QD for the first time. Essentially the product was free at Big Lots; I got 32oz of cleaner wax and 32oz of QD for $9.99. Anyway, to me, it seems the QD is nothing more than scented water.....I noticed it had very little cleaning ability and did little to enhance my shine. I had washed my car the night before and dried it, QD'd it the next day....maybe I am missing the point of this product.....
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Thanks for the update. Can't help you on the QD products as I never needed them.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    What product would anyone here use to remove the old wax from a non-clearcoat car? I don't want to bother with a clay bar - the paint itself is clean and smooth, the wax is just aged. Would a household detergent like dish soap do it?
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,399
    Yes, Use Blue Dawn to remove the wax.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    What were you expecting the QD to do? QD is not a product that protects your paint. It is only used to remove LIGHT dirt (dust, fingerprints and bird droppings). The product is not meant to protect or "enhance" the paint finish. If you want a spray product that "protects" the paint finish, there are many spray waxes on the market that will marginally protect your paint.

    Why did you put the QD on your car the day after you washed it? What were you trying to accomplish? Just curious.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Not sure...it cam along with the cleaner wax. I originally thought it was to clean up your car instead of a full wash but then someone here said that if it was spotted after the rain or something your should wash it. I am not sure what I was expecting other than for it to remove some surfact dirt without scratching....it just did not do much for me, like I said it was essentially free as part of the big lots promotion.
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Member Posts: 681
    It's good to use to remove waterspots or bird do - stuff like that.
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Member Posts: 336
    Has anyone tried EagleOne Nano? Am conducting an experiment with Meguires NXT on the hood and EagleOne Nano on the trunk to see what the differance is over time.

    Have used NXT and other Meguire products for years but do not like the white residue on my black car. Called Meguires re this and some yahoo told me to use masking tape on all the rubber. Sure.

    EagleOne claims no white residue. So far they are right.

    Appreciate any input.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    I've used them both. I thought Nanowax was easier to use but it didn't seem to last long nor did it add much to the paint's appearance (didn't make it glossier or richer-looking). NXT seems to last longer and looks real good on solid colors like black and red but it seemed to mute metallics and it's a little more difficult to apply, not to mention the trim staining issue.

    Both are pretty good Store Bought Waxes but neither are stellar in my book.
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Member Posts: 336
    What do you recommend?
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Member Posts: 681
    I've found that after applying my wax/polish, if I follow-up with doing the plastic with an armor-all type product (I actually like a turtle wax 2000 product, but I haven't tried that many), that takes care of any residue.
  • richinraleighrichinraleigh Member Posts: 18
    I use them both. Speed Bead is a cleaner/polish. Bead Max is just a polish. I usually alternate between them. BTW, these polishes are awesome. I always get complements. Not bad for a 30 min job for my SC300 and an hour for my 4 runner.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Speed Bead is a wax with mild cleaners, Max Bead is just a wax. The term polish means different things to different people. When I think of polishing a car, I think of using something aggressive on a faded paint finish to bring it back to life. These are not harsh or aggressive to your clear coat finish.

    I, like the person in the above post, can't believe how many people come up and ask me what I you use to get my car to look so good.
  • don57don57 Member Posts: 19
    Has anyone used Wet Paint Glaze? It is made by Advanced Techniques Inc. in Elbow Lake, MN
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    OK, some advice needed. This weekend I am planning to remove the old wax from my 40-something year old car, and put a couple new coats on it. This is old school paint - no clearcoat. Any recommendations of a wax for this?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Member Posts: 1,168

    Also, I'd like to know if anyone has used the new polish by Turtle Wax called Ice. If so, how do you like it? This topic has gotten almost as bad with the S100 posts as others have in the past with the Zaino posts.


    I purchased Turtlewax ICE back in March to use on my Minivan, Company Car (Taurus) and my RV. I was all gunho!! It went on easy, gave a great shine...but within weeks, I went to wash the car and there was no beading and it seem to attract dirt and trap it?? $19/bottle at Murray's here in Detroit....CRAP.

    A few weeks ago Consumer Report had auto waxes in their issue and picked Black Magic as a good buy ($6 at SEARS). I rewaxed my company car except for the roof just as a simple test. Weeks later my roof was a mess....stained, dirty etc...handwashing was only way to get it clean, while the trunk and hood look great!!

    ICE....NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!

    PS - CR didn't test ICE, don't know why!!! I also called 1 800 turtlewax to complain, all they said was "Hmmmm many of our customers are calling in loving it"? Another friend of mine purchased ICE on my initial recommendation....and he HATES it, in fact he rewaxed his STS with Nu Finish and gave me the bottle to try :)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    OK, so yesterday I decided to clean up the old car. I used Meguiars liquid polish first....this didn't seem as harsh as a normal paste polish, but was still kind of mucky and not easy to remove. I put on two coats of this, as the paint on the car was hazy from old wax and likely some oxidization. I could really tell after I applied this, but some areas were a little uneven. Then I put on a coat of Meguiars Gold Class wax...very easy to apply and remove, but the results were subpar. It came out uneven and blotchy, probably because of the paint on the car. Is there a good wax for non clearcoat paint? So on top of that stuff I put on a coat of plain old Meguiars cleaner wax like I use on my modern car. This evened it out pretty much and put a little gloss back into it. I'd say the car is at 80-85% now, but it is better than before I cleaned it, much of the haze is gone. I think I'll stick with the old standby...maybe try a carnauba wax next time I wax it (next year).

    Here are a few pics of the finished product

    Pic 1

    Pic 2

    Pic 3

    Pic 4
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