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tjc78 · January 6

J - I’d assume that is where they don’t put a cord with a plug on it and instead feed the romex directly into the unit.

My old house before I redid the kitchen was that way. Lasted for probably 30 years and was still working when disconnected.

corvette · January 6

@jmonroe1 - they're not common, but unless I'm imagining it, I'm pretty sure I've seen garbage disposals which are unswitched and hardwired to 120V. You put your food waste in them, then insert a special stopper which activates the motor. I'm sure this allowed people to just tap off of the dishwasher's power to add a disposal.

jmonroe1 · January 6

@tjc78 said:
J - I’d assume that is where they don’t put a cord with a plug on it and instead feed the romex directly into the unit.

My old house before I redid the kitchen was that way. Lasted for probably 30 years and was still working when disconnected.

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I’m sure you’re right but like you said not having a receptacle does not shorten the life of a disposal. The primary purpose of a receptacle is only for convenience when installing/replacing a disposal.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · January 6

@corvette said:
@jmonroe1 - they're not common, but unless I'm imagining it, I'm pretty sure I've seen garbage disposals which are unswitched and hardwired to 120V. You put your food waste in them, then insert a special stopper which activates the motor. I'm sure this allowed people to just tap off of the dishwasher's power to add a disposal.

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You could be right but what you describe sounds like a “batch feed” disposal, but I always thought those were controlled by a switch. Codes today, for new builds or kitchen remodeling, say the disposal should not be on the same circuit as a dishwasher. Of course if you buy a house today that has the romex wired directly to the disposal, with a switch to control the disposal, you are “grandfathered” in and don’t have to rewire the circuit using a receptacle.

jmonroe

roadburner · January 6

I was going through some of my 318ti documentation in preparation for some upcoming car shows and I thought this to be an interesting comparison; the first photo is taken from the 1995 BMW 318ti Club Sport brochure. The second shot is of my car taken last October on the Tail of the Dragon.

oldfarmer50 · January 6

You should do the photos for your club.

xwesx · January 6

Looks better today! I'll suggest an improvement in pixel quality and color capture.

roadburner · January 6

oldfarmer50 said:
You should do the photos for your club.

Thanks but I can't take the credit; 129 Photos shot multiple pictures of all of our cars and the tour host generously bought all of the photos of each car and sent them to the owners.

nyccarguy · January 6

More household stuff. The new slide in range works wonderfully. Although there was a minor hiccup when installing. There is a 4 prong outlet for the stove to plug into. Problem is that there a dryer plug and not a Range plug. One of the guys said they can’t install it for liability reasons. I told them I have no problem doing it myself. They had a dryer cord in the truck and installed it for me. I tipped them $20 each for their help. It saved me a lot of money by not having to have an electrician come and install a proper 4 prong outlet.

Next up is the heat. I triumphantly replaced a burnt out circulator pump for the zone that provides heat to my basement. There are two cast iron baseboard radiators in my room that are stone cold. Every other radiator in this zone gets hot. I tried adding water to the boiler and bleeding the 2 radiators. Still no heat. I go downstairs and there is water all over the floor from the relief valve blowing off. I check the expansion tank which is full (the bladder burst inside). Luckily my plumber walked into my store the next day. He called today and told me what to bring home so he can replace it. Expansion tank, relief valve, feed valve, & back flow preventer.

jmonroe1 · January 6

@nyccarguy said:
More household stuff. The new slide in range works wonderfully. Although there was a minor hiccup when installing. There is a 4 prong outlet for the stove to plug into. Problem is that there a dryer plug and not a Range plug. One of the guys said they can’t install it for liability reasons. I told them I have no problem doing it myself. They had a dryer cord in the truck and installed it for me. I tipped them $20 each for their help. It saved me a lot of money by not having to have an electrician come and install a proper 4 prong outlet.

Next up is the heat. I triumphantly replaced a burnt out circulator pump for the zone that provides heat to my basement. There are two cast iron baseboard radiators in my room that are stone cold. Every other radiator in this zone gets hot. I tried adding water to the boiler and bleeding the 2 radiators. Still no heat. I go downstairs and there is water all over the floor from the relief valve blowing off. I check the expansion tank which is full (the bladder burst inside). Luckily my plumber walked into my store the next day. He called today and told me what to bring home so he can replace it. Expansion tank, relief valve, feed valve, & back flow preventer.

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About your range:

Just be sure the cord you attached to the new range has an amperage rating that is high enough for the range. I only bring this up because you said you installed a dryer cord. I’ve never seen a residential dryer cord rated higher than 30 amps. Some electric ranges draw at least 40 amps while most draw 50 amps.

jmonroe

nyccarguy · January 7

jmonroe1 said:

@nyccarguy said:

More household stuff. The new slide in range works wonderfully. Although there was a minor hiccup when installing. There is a 4 prong outlet for the stove to plug into. Problem is that there a dryer plug and not a Range plug. One of the guys said they can’t install it for liability reasons. I told them I have no problem doing it myself. They had a dryer cord in the truck and installed it for me. I tipped them $20 each for their help. It saved me a lot of money by not having to have an electrician come and install a proper 4 prong outlet.

Next up is the heat. I triumphantly replaced a burnt out circulator pump for the zone that provides heat to my basement. There are two cast iron baseboard radiators in my room that are stone cold. Every other radiator in this zone gets hot. I tried adding water to the boiler and bleeding the 2 radiators. Still no heat. I go downstairs and there is water all over the floor from the relief valve blowing off. I check the expansion tank which is full (the bladder burst inside). Luckily my plumber walked into my store the next day. He called today and told me what to bring home so he can replace it. Expansion tank, relief valve, feed valve, & back flow preventer.

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About your range:

Just be sure the cord you attached to the new range has an amperage rating that is high enough for the range. I only bring this up because you said you installed a dryer cord. I’ve never seen a residential dryer cord rated higher than 30 amps. Some electric ranges draw at least 40 amps while most draw 50 amps.

jmonroe

ok. Will do. Thanks!

andres3 · January 7

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3 said:

That reminds me about 10 years ago when we moved into our current house a couple of items were dead on arrival and the inspector didn't note them:

Garbage disposal burned out, possibly from being direct wired which isn't allowed at least in CA I think.

Garage door motor doesn't open the garage door (turns out plastic gears are a bad idea and were stripped/ground into circular objects with no teeth/gears).

On both items the seller said "they worked last I checked."

I find it a bit too hard to believe.

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A home inspector is supposed to find those problems. If he /she couldn’t find those problems, who ever paid for that inspection didn’t get anywhere near their moneys worth. Your problems were not in anyway hidden problems. All you had to do was push or flip a switch and those problems would be evident.

BTW, what is a “direct wired” garbage disposal?

jmonroe

The garbage disposal was a big miss my the inspector. That's on them. Direct wired as in the wires coming out of the wall go directly into the disposal motor; no convenience outlet.

I'll give them a 50% pass on the miss on the garage door. The owner had moved in 7' high stacks of "stuff" lining every square foot of the garage in order to keep the interior of the house "showroom" ready. There wasn't even walking room. Good way to hide problems in the garage right? Now was the "stuff" stacked so high it interfered with opening the garage door???? Not sure, but even so, I could see why one would forget to open the door as soon as they saw it was stuffed.

On the other hand they did find about 70 other nagging problems so they did their job on those 70 things; which did help me get the owner to come down (or what I think happened is the agents made a deal to lower commissions further to close the gap between their line in the sand and my line that didn't quite meet).

The garbage disposal didn't bother me much as we barely use it anyway.

The garage door bothered me a whole helluva lot. First I couldn't park in the garage and use it without manually raising and lowering it (used to be a wood garage door that's heavy). Second, it put me in a bad mood as me and the two hired grunts (on the clock for 4 hours max) helping me move in were slowed by the garage door that wouldn't open, which is exactly when I found out the garage door wouldn't open.

explorerx4 · January 8

In this consumer advocate report, the company representative sent what was supposed to be an internal email to the investigative team by mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp5pA25dIjY

ab348 · January 8

Odd response from the Comms/PR person. In my experience they are usually more than willing to spend money in such situations, as they should be to make the problem go away. I know when I was in that role I was more than willing to spend a little to assuage a cranky customer. It is less than peanuts given the size of the company.

driver100 · January 8

explorerx4 said:
In this consumer advocate report, the company representative sent what was supposed to be an internal email to the investigative team by mistake.

I love those consumers stories. I wonder if that customer service rep still has their job....interesting to see what they think of their customers behind their backs.
I'll know not to buy a GE product! Like they said, that report will cost them more than the money they are saving by not protecting their customer.

driver100 · January 8

ab348 said:
I was more than willing to spend a little to assuage a cranky customer. It is less than peanuts given the size of the company.

Once a month we opened our book warehouse to the public. Occasionally a book was not printed properly and a customer would say I got to page 275 and there were pages missing. I'd say we'll get you another copy, and take another book of the same value, since you had to spend time and money to come back. People loved it, and it was a small price to pay because that customer will tell 5 other people what a great experience they had, and they will come back and spend even more.

In the case of GE management doesn't want any money spent, the execs want to hang onto their jobs for another quarter.

andres3 · January 8

driver100 said:

ab348 said:
I was more than willing to spend a little to assuage a cranky customer. It is less than peanuts given the size of the company.
Once a month we opened our book warehouse to the public. Occasionally a book was not printed properly and a customer would say I got to page 275 and there were pages missing. I'd say we'll get you another copy, and take another book of the same value, since you had to spend time and money to come back. People loved it, and it was a small price to pay because that customer will tell 5 other people what a great experience they had, and they will come back and spend even more.

In the case of GE management doesn't want any money spent, the execs want to hang onto their jobs for another quarter.

Sort of like both Honda and Audi both standing up behind their product to cover things well beyond the standard warranty at times in the past instead of acting like it's all normal for everything to break at Dodge.

jmonroe1 · January 8

@driver100 said:
I love those consumers stories. I wonder if that customer service rep still has their job....interesting to see what they think of their customers behind their backs.
I'll know not to buy a GE product! Like they said, that report will cost them more than the money they are saving by not protecting their customer.

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That used to be known as ‘being penny wise and dollar foolish’.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · January 8

@driver100 said:
Once a month we opened our book warehouse to the public. Occasionally a book was not printed properly and a customer would say I got to page 275 and there were pages missing. I'd say we'll get you another copy, and take another book of the same value, since you had to spend time and money to come back. People loved it, and it was a small price to pay because that customer will tell 5 other people what a great experience they had, and they will come back and spend even more.

In the case of GE management doesn't want any money spent, the execs want to hang onto their jobs for another quarter.

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Missing pages would only bother me if they were the one’s with pictures.

jmonroe

driver100 · January 8

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

Once a month we opened our book warehouse to the public. Occasionally a book was not printed properly and a customer would say I got to page 275 and there were pages missing. I'd say we'll get you another copy, and take another book of the same value, since you had to spend time and money to come back. People loved it, and it was a small price to pay because that customer will tell 5 other people what a great experience they had, and they will come back and spend even more.

In the case of GE management doesn't want any money spent, the execs want to hang onto their jobs for another quarter.

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Missing pages would only bother me if they were the one’s with pictures.

jmonroe

They are the only ones you "read".

jmonroe1 · January 8

@driver100 said:
They are the only ones you "read".

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To be more correct…look at.

jmonroe

Michaell · January 8

Exciting automotive related news from Denver. Apparently a bunch of gas stations had diesel put into their regular tanks and a lot of cars filled up with it yesterday and today. All over the metro area, including the Kroger station I frequent.

andres3 · January 9

Michaell said:
Exciting automotive related news from Denver. Apparently a bunch of gas stations had diesel put into their regular tanks and a lot of cars filled up with it yesterday and today. All over the metro area, including the Kroger station I frequent.

So the tankers don't have dummy nozzles like the gas pumps in CA do. *cough* A friend asked me why the pump wouldn't go into the U-haul gas tank (diesel) and he was using the regular unleaded pump. Sometimes those pump nozzles suck, but there's also a "dummy" feature.

oldfarmer50 · January 9

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:
In this consumer advocate report, the company representative sent what was supposed to be an internal email to the investigative team by mistake.
I love those consumers stories. I wonder if that customer service rep still has their job....interesting to see what they think of their customers behind their backs.
I'll know not to buy a GE product! Like they said, that report will cost them more than the money they are saving by not protecting their customer.

General Electric hasn’t owned GE Appliances since 2016. Her gripe is with the Chinese.

driver100 · January 9

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:
In this consumer advocate report, the company representative sent what was supposed to be an internal email to the investigative team by mistake.
I love those consumers stories. I wonder if that customer service rep still has their job....interesting to see what they think of their customers behind their backs.
I'll know not to buy a GE product! Like they said, that report will cost them more than the money they are saving by not protecting their customer.

General Electric hasn’t owned GE Appliances since 2016. Her gripe is with the Chinese.

Good luck with that!

sda · January 10

I believe the Chinese company Haier is the owner of GE appliances.

sda · January 10

Speaking of appliances, our Whirlpool Cabrio washer purchased in 2017 requires replacement. It was leaking and making horrible ratcheting and squealing noises. It was found the tub seal went bad leaking on to the stator which caused bearing failure. Parts to repair would be over $600 not including labor. More to come. Appliances not lasting to even ten years. Planned obsolescence, yep.👹

nyccarguy · January 10

@sda said:
Speaking of appliances, our Whirlpool Cabrio washer purchased in 2017 requires replacement. It was leaking and making horrible ratcheting and squealing noises. It was found the tub seal went bad leaking on to the stator which caused bearing failure. Parts to repair would be over $600 not including labor. More to come. Appliances not lasting to even ten years. Planned obsolescence, yep.👹

Our KitchenAid dishwasher needed a pump replaced a few years ago. Maybe 1 1/2 years. Also purchased in 2017. I bought a 10 year extended warranty. The expensive repair was covered, but between scheduling a time for the tech to come look at it to diagnose, waiting for the part, and scheduling a time for the tech to come back and install, I was without a dishwasher for close to 5 weeks. I would have rather not taken the extended warranty and just ordered a new machine that I could have gotten in 2-3 days. Since the repair it’s been working flawlessly.

jwm40517 · January 10

5 weeks would not have been a real problem for us. Dishwasher probably only runs about every 3 weeks on average.

sda · January 10

We subscribe to a home warranty service. Everytime I consider canceling something breaks. I give them credit, they have either repaired or provided funds for replacement. My wife really liked the Cabrio washing machine. After researching and looking at different machines, we decided on another Whirlpool set, the equivalent replacement of the Cabrio series that's no longer offered. Of course we had to buy the matching dryer. They will be in the same color as we have now, Chrome Shadow. Delivery is scheduled for tomorrow. Money flows out of this house faster every day!

nyccarguy · January 10

@jwm40517 said:
5 weeks would not have been a real problem for us. Dishwasher probably only runs about every 3 weeks on average.

There are 5 of us. Even with one away at college, it is rare that our dishwasher isn’t used every day.

ab348 · January 10

jwm40517 said:
5 weeks would not have been a real problem for us. Dishwasher probably only runs about every 3 weeks on average.

As a single, I run the DW about once every 10 days. That's when I run out of clean coffee mugs.

sda · January 10

What a mess! It must have been a minor leak for an extended period of time, yet when we had a repair about 8 months ago there was no mention of it leaking. When it started making bad noises we saw a trace of water going forward in one of the grout lines. When we pushed back the washer back a bit we saw the discoloration. I still need to go over the floor again and then move the dryer and clean there. Moving them around to clean behind and under them is not a regular chore though I guess it should be.

explorerx4 · January 10

@sda,
You can buy a water leak detector. Good thing you have tile flooring under the washer.

nyccarguy · January 10

@sda said:
What a mess! It must have been a minor leak for an extended period of time, yet when we had a repair about 8 months ago there was no mention of it leaking. When it started making bad noises we saw a trace of water going forward in one of the grout lines. When we pushed back the washer back a bit we saw the discoloration. I still need to go over the floor again and then move the dryer and clean there. Moving them around to clean behind and under them is not a regular chore though I guess it should be.

Ugh. That sucks!

jmonroe1 · January 10

@jwm40517 said:
5 weeks would not have been a real problem for us. Dishwasher probably only runs about every 3 weeks on average.

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I could do that too if we used paper plates.

jmonroe

suydam · January 10

Well, I did replace the microwave. Oddly LG decided to go with a white clock display while the older ones were green. So now I have the microwave showing a white clock time while the range below it is in green. Oh well. It is nice to have one that works. The installer said there are tiny parts that can go bad after about 10 years that are labor-intensive to replace. So I guess it was time. I do notice everything about the new one is better. Also more expensive. Kind of like trading in an older car for a new one.

venture · January 10

suydam said:
Well, I did replace the microwave. Oddly LG decided to go with a white clock display while the older ones were green. So now I have the microwave showing a white clock time while the range below it is in green. Oh well. It is nice to have one that works. The installer said there are tiny parts that can go bad after about 10 years that are labor-intensive to replace. So I guess it was time. I do notice everything about the new one is better. Also more expensive. Kind of like trading in an older car for a new one.

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Many, many years ago I donated our microwave to my Kiwanis club. We were getting a new one and they didn't have one.

It doesn't get used much, but it's over 30 years old and still working.

suydam · January 10

Yes, we had one of the Amana ones from the 80’s that last over 20 years. Newer ones, not so much. They perform a lot better though and do more than those old ones did. And take up a lot less room.

jmonroe1 · January 10

@nyccarguy said:

@sda said:
What a mess! It must have been a minor leak for an extended period of time, yet when we had a repair about 8 months ago there was no mention of it leaking. When it started making bad noises we saw a trace of water going forward in one of the grout lines. When we pushed back the washer back a bit we saw the discoloration. I still need to go over the floor again and then move the dryer and clean there. Moving them around to clean behind and under them is not a regular chore though I guess it should be.

Ugh. That sucks!>

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In the top pic I notice you have a T in the cold water line. The run of the T goes to the washer but I can’t tell where the branch connection of the T goes. It appears to run behind the dryer. Do you have one of those fancy steam model dryers that needs a water line connected to it?

jmonroe

tjc78 · January 11

@jmonroe1 said:

@nyccarguy said:

@sda said:
What a mess! It must have been a minor leak for an extended period of time, yet when we had a repair about 8 months ago there was no mention of it leaking. When it started making bad noises we saw a trace of water going forward in one of the grout lines. When we pushed back the washer back a bit we saw the discoloration. I still need to go over the floor again and then move the dryer and clean there. Moving them around to clean behind and under them is not a regular chore though I guess it should be.

Ugh. That sucks!>

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In the top pic I notice you have a T in the cold water line. The run of the T goes to the washer but I can’t tell where the branch connection of the T goes. It appears to run behind the dryer. Do you have one of those fancy steam model dryers that needs a water line connected to it?

jmonroe

We have one of those. It’s never been used.

sda · January 11

jmonroe1 said:

@nyccarguy said:

@sda said:

What a mess! It must have been a minor leak for an extended period of time, yet when we had a repair about 8 months ago there was no mention of it leaking. When it started making bad noises we saw a trace of water going forward in one of the grout lines. When we pushed back the washer back a bit we saw the discoloration. I still need to go over the floor again and then move the dryer and clean there. Moving them around to clean behind and under them is not a regular chore though I guess it should be.

Ugh. That sucks!>

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In the top pic I notice you have a T in the cold water line. The run of the T goes to the washer but I can’t tell where the branch connection of the T goes. It appears to run behind the dryer. Do you have one of those fancy steam model dryers that needs a water line connected to it?

jmonroe

Yes, the dryer has a steam function. It has been very useful in freshening up clothes and minimizing wrinkles. The new dryer will have the same.

corvette · January 11

My old dryer had the steam function. I connected the water line but ended up disconnecting it once I realized I never used it.

sda · January 11

Our excitement to receive the new washer and dryer today was quickly dashed when it was discovered the dryer was damaged. This was after the old washer and dryer had been removed and put on the truck. To make matters worse, the delivery folks were going to leave the washer in the garage until the replacement dryer would be received. Uh,no. I had them to bring the old working dryer back and reinstall it and then bring in the new washer and connect it so we would have a working set in the interim. Good grief!

ab348 · January 11

I was going to razz you for not having a matched pair until I read your explanation. That dryer took a hard hit. Hopefully they weren’t trying to convince you to accept it.

oldfarmer50 · January 11

If I’m seeing that right, that’s substantial damage, like it was thrown off a delivery truck. Do you think the delivery guys did that? I can’t imagine they would load it in that condition unless it was so wrapped up that the dent was concealed.

nyccarguy · January 11

@oldfarmer50 said:
If I’m seeing that right, that’s substantial damage, like it was thrown off a delivery truck. Do you think the delivery guys did that? I can’t imagine they would load it in that condition unless it was so wrapped up that the dent was concealed.

Probably done with a forklift while on the pallet in the warehouse. Some of these guys are butchers with the forklift.

jmonroe1 · January 11

@nyccarguy said:

@oldfarmer50 said:
If I’m seeing that right, that’s substantial damage, like it was thrown off a delivery truck. Do you think the delivery guys did that? I can’t imagine they would load it in that condition unless it was so wrapped up that the dent was concealed.

Probably done with a forklift while on the pallet in the warehouse. Some of these guys are butchers with the forklift.

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You got that right.

You won’t believe how many kitchen cabinets were delivered to our flips with damage. It was obvious that the damages couldn’t have been done buy dropping the cabinets because there were holes in the middle of the sides of the cabinets. Home Depot never gave us a problem taking back the damaged cabinets and sending out new ones. Just had to wait for new ones to be ordered from the supplier.

Reckless drivers aren’t just out on the highways.

jmonroe

nyccarguy · January 11

Fixed my fridge. I replaced both the fan in the back and the fan that circulates the cold air in the fridge. I also cleaned out the drain tube.

corvette · January 11

Nice! My 2015-era Frigidaire had a drain tube that was poorly routed from the factory and leaked on the wood floor underneath. Fixed that and replaced a broken ice chute and the dispenser display (due to dead LEDs) out of warranty. It still works, but the LED display started losing segments again about 18 months after I replaced it. It's not getting fixed again. When this one mechanically fails, I'm buying the most bare bones one I can find. Given the modern awesomeness of silicone ice cube trays, I'd even consider foregoing an icemaker.

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