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1) people who do not want the headaches of owning a car past it's bumper-to-bumper warranty? What headaches, in the 1st place? And why do you think buying and then selling before the warranty ends is a poorer alternative to leasing?
2) people who do not drive all that many miles? I can see why high miles loads anti-lease, but I can't see why low miles loads pro-lease.
3) who have the ability to write off the depreciation? Does not eligability to write off depreciation apply equally to purchase and lease?
Not that I understand leasing very well at all, but it seems to me that the unique benefits are limited to cutting payment size (driving more car than you can afford to buy) and pre-arranging disposal time certain, for which one pays significant fees and usually pays an interest premium.
I really don't get the financial case for leasing. The convenience case, I get.
Sergey or anybody, do you think residuals are commonly that far out of line with actual used car value?
"1) people who do not want the headaches of owning a car past it's bumper-to-bumper warranty? What headaches, in the 1st place? And why do you think buying and then selling before the warranty ends is a poorer alternative to leasing?"
First of all I have an almost 3 year old car that I financed. It has been in the shop soooo many times for so many different things, some of which are on their 3rd repair to fix the same thing. Headache? You BET!!! As of now, I don't want to keep this car past it's bumper to bumper warrenty. I have no desire to pay out of my pocket for things that are more likely considered defects than wear and tear, like, a power window shorting out, vibration in the steering column and a leak in the trunk. It's a 20K piece of junk and I am sooo upset that I actually bought it. Now if I was to trade it in being only 3 years old, the most amount I would get would be the loan paid off and maybe 1K back. And that is my experience with trade ins every time. They don't need another used car at my areas dealers, so they don't give you beans for a car that is still being financed. So to lease it, would have been better, I could have had lower payments and then given it back at the end bc I don't want it anyways. It has been a huge headache. Buying and selling during the warrenty period on a financed vehicle is worse than leasing bc I had higher monthly payments and it is such a huge hassle to try and trade in a vehicle still being financed. The most I will get is the loan paid off. Basically the same as leasing except I had higher monthly payments during the period I paying on it, vs leasing it.
To answer number 2. I only drive maybe 8K miles a year. So to lease, would be a wonderful alternative for myself, knowing I won't have to pay any extra money for high mileage. Also, having low miles on a car means no more value as far as a trade in.
Anyway, leasing does make sense for some. I wish I would have leased my car I have now, If I did, I would have had lower payments, wouldn't have had to put anything down (and loose that $) and would be giving it back around the time the warrenty is up, which is what I have to do now because of so many problems with it. But now I have the hassle of trying to trade it in.
Hope that makes sense to you. Not everyone is blessed with a car that has been hassle free the whole time they have had it. I thought this would be the car I kept, and then all the problems started and now I can't wait to get rid of it. You also learn alot about the dealer and their customer service when bringing it in soo many times. If they hadn't been open on Saturdays, I would have been even more inconvenienced. They aren't total quality when it comes to customer service and I won't be giving them my business again.
So here's to another thumbs up to going import this time!!!!
Take care,
Nicole
1. 2003 VW GTI 1.8T
2. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS
3. 2003 Mazda 6i and 6s
By the way, if anyone is interested in leasing a 2003 Honda Civic Si, I believe the 12k mile, 48 month residual is 52% and the money factor is .00078. It's a good deal on a pretty nice little car. We just got one about a week ago. I've heard in some areas of the country they are selling under invoice price, as well, but I haven't been able to definitively confirm this. Don't know if these numbers are good for other 2003 Civics, though.
By the way, Car man, this is a great service you are providing for people. I've been negotiating lease deals for myself, my friends, and my family for years, and from experience I can definitely say that most dealers try to rake people over the coals with lease deals. I've always had to fight like crazy to get a legitimate price. It's great to have an equalizer, since residuals are very rarely disclosed in car ads and money factors never are, even though APRs are advertised all over the place. There should really be a law. I mean, a better law.
Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I have NEVER had a salesman calculate a lease properly on the first try (even when he admits what the money factor and residual are). I've always had to say, "No, sorry, my calculation comes to $45 per month less than that." Then they go in the back for a few minutes and come out again with a different number. I realize a lot of car salesmen are on the sleazy side, but it still annoys me and makes for an uncomfortable process.
By far my worst experiences have been with Toyota dealerships. Last month I went to one to get money factor and residuals on a Matrix XRS, and the salesman brought his manager over who asked me suspiciously, "What are you going to do with those numbers? Why do you want them?" I laughed and replied, "I'll need them if I'm going to buy the car." Then, I think, he gave me bogus residual values. He said about 44% for 48 months. Three weeks earlier I was told (by the same dealership!) the residual was about 51%. The dealerships have been the number one reason I have never purchased a Toyota, a company that makes a lot of fine and very reliable vehicles.
Had a '97 Chev. c1500 with a 350, ran premium (had HypertechIII) and got scared with gas prices in 99. (yeah, go figure) So. I traded it on a '98 Maxima to lower payments and save gas.
Six months LATER, i Traded it in, (couldn't Stand a car) so, I was Waaaaaaay upside down(7-8000) going into this next one. which is where i am now:
2001 Chev. Silverado
LEASED through Felco AutoLease (now defunct but doing business) I was over 120% or something (still dont' get that.) 63 month lease
allowed 15K/yr. but right now I already have 53,000. and I pay .15/mi over.
right now, my payoff is about $20,800, but i KNOW edmunds, KBB, and NADA won't give me more than 12500 on trade-in, (high milage) and it's a work truck, so dings are present.
i know my residual in JANUARY 2006! is $14,707. What do i do? my truck is worth Less Now, than what i'll have to pay for in 01/06.
Do i take the Hit right now, get out while mileage charges would be 2000-2500 Now? or at the End, when it'll be over $5000 ! (yeeouch)
I will be buying my next truck, period. But, should i try to get un-Upside-down now? or wait?
here's another question: can i roll all that Neg. Equity into a Cheaper truck, like a used beater truck used only for work( less than 15,000 sticker) and roll every thing into That loan? and how does that 120% lending thing figure into it? Thanks for your help!
BTW, i originally got the truck when i was with another company and didn't put miles on it, NOR use it as a TRUCK, just a bigger vehicle, and keep payments Low ($387/mo).
And.. if anyone Else has ideas, please respond as well. Thanks guys !
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Seems pretty good to me. Any thoughts?
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I wasn't prepared when I purchased my 2001 accord in Dec. 2001. I was talked into a monthly payment of $400 for 48 mos and residual of about 10K. Leasing isn't for me but I have 33 mos remaining on my lease. The payoff amt is $19,800. Which is about 6K upside down. Any suggestions on how I could get out of this with the least amount of pain? I appreciate your help!
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Are the March leasing rates available yet? If so, can you tell me the money factors and residuals on a 3 year, 15K miles/year lease for a Nissan Altima 2.5S and a Pontiac Grand Am GT. My friend is hoping to buy in a couple of weeks.
Thanks so much.
SilverCrown
Another friend is interested in the TL-S (non-nav). Can you provide the March Res. & MF for 24, 30, & 36 month 12K miles. Thanks again.
gperr
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I did read your reply about the February Saab 9-3 lease program, but I need the details for March. I would like the money factor and residual for the 9-3 Linear model for a 36 month/15k miles per year lease. Also, if you can, please give me the March incentive info on the 9-3.
Thanks a lot.
(can you also give me Infiniti G35 sedan info for the same mileage and term?)
We have been offered an AWD RX300 w/ sticker of $39636 for $459/mo with all initiation fees waved for a 39 month, 12K/yr lease. The residual was quoted at 21,400 or 54% of MSRP. This sounds fairly similar to your deal.
'03 Buick Regal GS
'03 Buick Lesabre Celebration
24 and 36 month numbers would be great.
Thanks,
thanks for your info. It does sound close to my deal. In your deal you mention sticker price. Is your deal based on sticker price or have you negotiated a better price?
Any luck on the March MF/residuals on the base Mini in New York. 15,000 a year?
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Steve
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Can you provide same on a 2003 Acura MDX Touring AWD w/NAV?
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As far as the Infiniti G35 goes, if you were to lease a 2003 Infiniti G35 Sedan with Leather through Infiniti Financial Services this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per this month, their base lease money factor and residual value should be .00184 and 54%, respectively. This factor was actually enhanced slightly for the month of March. This is the first time that Nissan has every provided any sort of lease support on this car, though it is a very low amount of support.
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1. 2003 VW GTI 1.8T
2. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS
3. 2003 Mazda 6i and 6s
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Thanks for the info. I have one question: what do you mean by base lease rate? Is it same as the money factor, just expressed as a percentage? That difference in terminology confused me.
TIA
SilverCrown
I am interested in the Mazda 6s info for myself, (the other info is for my friend). Although I plan to purchase if I decide to buy the 6, I'm curious about the current leasing info. I am particularly curious about the projected residual value. Can you give me the residuals and money factors for a 3 year lease, 12K and 15K miles/year for the Mazda 6s?
Thanks again.
SilverCrown
Could you help me out with mf and resids fro the following for 36 months and 15k. Are they different if you chose the bigger engine? This is in Texas by the way.
XLT 4x2 Popular
XLT 4x2 Premium
I suspect that I will have a chance to take a look at Acura's March lease program at some point today. I will let you know what I am able to find out about the MDX.
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Don't sweat it. You have been such a tremendous help to me in the past. Actually, my secretary came prancing in this morning and asked me to come outside and see her spanking new Mini. She was apparently going to lease it anyway (no matter what you or I said). It listed for 19,995 and she put down $1872.25 and she is paying $296.92 for 36 months. That includes the 8 1/2% New York State Sales Tax. She was so anxious to get it that my warnings not to just take the dealer's first offer went unheeded. I appreciate all your help. You have already made 4 leases more cost effective for me. And there may possibly be an X-type in my near future. I'll be back (as Arnold was heard saying). Thanks
Steve
Well, I've used up the lease extension on my current vehicle and have to move to a new car by the end of March. Here are the cars I am considering and would appreciate it if you could give the MF and Residuals for the following vehicles. Sorry for the long list. I'm in southern California and will lease for 36 months (15,000 miles annually) unless there is a hot deal on a 39 month program with a manufacturer. Here goes - all are '03's
Acura TL and TL-S
Infiniti I35
Infiniti G35
Lexus ES300
Lexus GS300
Honda Accord EX V6 Leather
Nissan Maxima GLE
Thanks in advance, Car_Man. Sorry for the long list. As always, I appreciate your help.