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Included are "Panel alignment fit, Paint imperfections"
The website www.lexuscpo.com states:
Vehicle Exterior:
Exterior Body Panels
Exterior Lights/Lenses
Wheels
Windshield/Glass
Door Lock System
Bumpers/Body Cladding
I don't thing the value of your car would be affected if the damage is truly minor and is properly repaired and not a result of any major accident. Perhaps you may want to get the car independently inspected after repair.
The items applicable to my case are "No noise or vibration is present"
My opinion is that if the dealer did not correct any item that does not comply with Lexus's 128 point inspection prior to sale, then the vehicle should not have been sold as a CPO. Unless they can correct the problem to the purchaser's satisfaction, I think the matter should be discussed with the sales manager regarding a remedy. In the event that this does not resolve the issue, it should be escalated to Lexus Customer Service.
It appears as though some Lexus dealers may not be adhering to the high standards set by Lexus regarding the certification of vehicles. I have seen some CPO LS400's on dealer lots that had OBVIOUS fender damage, patchy paintwork and missing wheel-well liners. Pretty sloppy on any car, let alone a Lexus CPO.
Unless my problem is resolved on the third attempt, which I consider is reasonable, this is what I intend to do.
I have a 94 LS400 with around 120,000 miles on it. I am not sure whether the previous owner as done any major tume up on the vehicle. I personaly feel that its about time to do a major tune up. The Transmission is shuddering... like some people have posted before... at 40-45mph and 50-55mph... so I will do the same as they did... Trans. Fluid flush... hopefully it will iron out the problem ... I did not recieve a keyless remote key... aparently it will cost me 330 bucks... My passenger side sun visor is broken.. And my engine makes some clicking noise when after 2000rpm. First I thought that it was my valves clicking... due to dirt or sticky gunk. Then I thought that it could be time to change my water pump... so If any of you have some advice it will be appreciated... THANKS... OVer All THIS IS A GREAT CAR... !!!
Thinking about getting the BOSCH Platinum +4's are those good for the LS400?
I started suspecting that the noise and vibration may be tire related. I had Michelin MXV4's which were brand new when I bought the CPO LS400 3 months ago. The dealer and NTB said that the symptoms did not suggest a tire problem. I rotated front to back. The noise and vibration became worse. Then I put my spare on one of the rear wheels which is a Bridgestone Turanza. The noise and vibration reduced considerably. On Saturday, I went back to the dealer and they replaced the MXV4's with Bridgstone Turanza Revo Z's. The problem is *almost* gone... not quite but VERY VERY much improved.
Perhaps you may want to look at your tires as a possible cause, even though it seemed highly unlikely to me that my problem was tire related.
Please let me know how you make out and what tires you have.
I think I have a starter issue in my '97 ls400 coach. It will click once when trying to start and that's about it. If I do it enough times it will finally start. I heard the starter is hard to get out...
Please advise.
Jack
1) What parts do you think should be replaced at 90Kmi..The dealer changes all the fluids at this time...but I'm wondering about the life expectancy of the motor mounts, hoses and other parts that should be replaced at this time.
2) I have noticed that the car no longer brakes in a straight line when the ABS engages. I am thinking that this may be due to worn struts..especially since the ride is starting to get more like a boat than a car. The ball joints and lower control arms were replaced at about 80K mi..just for your information.
3) The tilt and telescoping steering wheel motors have been sticking for 2 years now...they still work but you have to hit the buttons several times to get the position desired. The dealer offered to take them apart for a hour labor charge (with no guarantee) and oil them..I said no cause I was unsure if these motors could be oiled. Replacement of the motors they claim will be about $900. What do you think???
Thank you
I will post my receipt of shop manual and my experiences with tinkering and servicing.
Best regards
Sheldon
Does any one know how to program the keyless remote?? I have one from another car but I do not know whow to program it for mine?
Ps. I am purchasing all my parts from Ryan at www.irontoad.com, good service and good prices.
Does anyone know of an indepentent, Lexus trained mechanic in the St. Louis area???
The dealers here are obscene.
I have a ?. Has anyone ever heard of brake pads for a 1995 lexus ls400 costing $20 bucks. Yes 20 bucks for a pair for front disc pads, located at the local auto parts(Murray's)store,
Brake pads at the dealership retailed at $125 bucks a pair, Am I missing something hear or are these super pads or what. Local auto parts store also has 1 year warranty on the pads, My question is would I be doing harm by replacing with the $20 pads or should I stay with the dealer's price($345 with labor), what do you guys think, love to hear the feedback.
dj
I drove another '97 LS400 on the lot and it had the same problem. Looks like this could be common on LS400's.
Generally the dustier a pad the better it will work [as the pad must wear on each stop --5 times faster than rotors] many aftermarket pads may be biased towards the hot friction [more metal particles] spectrum they tend to be noiser and wear the rotors faster.
The newer [after 1994] have very good brakes [in 98 front 4 piston calipers were introduced to make it even better].
One must consider if a $20 pad stops 10' farther in an panic stop and the air bag deploy when you rearend someone how much was really saved.
Brake pads and tires are the only thing between you and someones bumper and every single foot counts at 70 mph.
T3 Automotive LTD SE independent Lexus facility
Back then $3.00 an hour was good when Eisenhower was President, unfortunately techs get paid like real people now and the dealers overhead requires a 2 times markup. $75/hr is inexpensive and typical even in Atlanta it is about to go to $80-$85 [and this is for a billed hour which should be only 40 minutes of work.
I'm not sure if I describe these issue correctly, but if anyone has any info that would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. When I took the car to the dealer, the service guy told my wife that this accelerator issue is normal for a Lexus, and that I was pushing the accelerator too hard. I don't buy that.... Thanks in advance!
HAM
I read through some posts that were well over a year old with people having the same problem my 1991 LS400 has: The LSD panel for the temp. and clock is almost impossible to read.
What is the cheapest way to replace or fix this? Anyone have any personal experience with fixing this problem?
Thank you!
Regards,
Eric Harris
1) What parts do you think should be replaced at 90Kmi..The dealer changes all the fluids at this time...but I'm wondering about the life expectancy of the motor mounts, hoses and other parts that should be replaced at this time.
Don't forget to flush everything completely not the drain and fill dealers use! AT, Brakes, PS
Consider vacuuming down AC and replacing the PAO oil and the dryer ....moisture reacts with oil and eats seals and evaporators.
2) I have noticed that the car no longer brakes in a straight line when the ABS engages. I am thinking that this may be due to worn struts. especially since the ride is starting to get more like a boat than a car. The ball joints and lower control arms were replaced at about 80K mi.
Yes struts maybe the front tension rods and upper lower A arm bushings
3) The tilt and telescoping steering wheel motors have been sticking for 2 years now...they still work but you have to hit the buttons several times to get the position desired. The dealer offered to take them apart for a hour labor charge (with no guarantee) and oil them..I said no cause I was unsure if these motors could be oiled. Replacement of the motors they claim will be about $900.
Clean them and Oil first!
I've recently experienced 2 incidents of loss in power when cruising at 55 mph. When I pulled over and put in park the rpm's dropped around 250 and surged up to about 1500. I pressed the accelerator with no increase, like it was being starved for gas. I turned the car off and back on and it settled down. Went through another tank of premium gas with no problems until my son experienced the same thing a couple of days ago. He indicated excessive knocking when idling at lower level. Any ideas out there? Thanks!
Have seen 1 of 2 ignition coils fail intermitently [ususally the drivers side [hidden] one.
Assume you had plugs and wires changed at 6 years even though low mileage.
As I was their the service manager(great guy) checked my car again and said I needed front struts. I guess that's the vibration I'm getting when rolling over potholes, hard thump, so back to the drawing board. Overall I love this car.
Thanks q45man, hypeopt,etc for the great advice.
Early high miles LS have failure of EGR differential valve which will limit EGR and cause knock on slight throttle tip in [failure of emission test NOX].
Any thoughts are greatly apreciated.(same for the tires)
Good luck finding what you need - it's there somewhere.
The '95 had OEM type Eagle GS rubber; terrible!
I put a set of Michelin MXV4 Plus on and the increase in handling was decisive.
I know there are more advanced tire designs available for performance vehicles, but I heeded the advice from two tire dealers - don't overbuy your tires, expecting great handling peformance from a vehicle that wasn't designed for that trait from the beginning.
And my '95 fit that description - unless you go in big time for non-OEM suspension mods (springs, struts, rollbars, etc), you'll be attempting to turn a great highway cruiser into something it ain't - and never will be.
1. Pirelli P6000's: VERY NOISY. Undoes the LS400's refinement. I don't think they are suitable for the LS400.
2. Michelin Pilots: handles great, (better than Pirelli's) Ride is acceptable but somewhat noisier than I like. The LS400 becomes a sporty car with very responsive steering and handles like it's on rails. I just don't like the noise.
3. Michelin MXV4's: handles well, VERY SMOOTH RIDE, somewhat noisy on course blacktop.
4. Bridgestone Turanza Revo Z's: handles similarly to MXV4, equivalent smooth ride, VERY QUIET, and VERY EXPENSIVE. Bridgestone offer a 30 day "try-buy" program which allow you to return the tires within 30 days if you don't like them. See www.bridgestone-firestone.com. I think these are the best tires for the LS400. I have the Bridgestones.
Be aware that LS400's are very sensitive to road force variance. Many tire dealers are unaware of RFV problems. Some tires generate greater RFV than Lexus' specifications allow, which can produce vibration problems. Lexus dealers suggest Michelin MXV4's for minimum RFV but on the other hand, LS400's are shipped from the factory with GoodYear Eagle GA's, which I have found to be very good value for money. They handle acceptably, are smooth and quiet riding and inexpensive compared with the other tires.
FYI, My halfshafts and CV joint vibration problems were resolved at no charge under the Lexus CPO warranty.
I have found it really difficult to get good info on tires!
Tires aint tires!
I have the Bridgestone Turanza Revo's on my 1994 LS and I love the tire , best ride !! I would tell anyone to go for those on their LS , and Taurusman yes that sounds like a good price for a '90 LS with only 80k However, you really sould run a carfax on it before putting any cash down but if all checks out well I would say go for it ! (do keep in mind when repair time comes be prepared for some above average costs)
Happy Lexus Owner,
Paul