Mercury Cougar

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  • nova8nova8 Member Posts: 3
    I have just recently purchased a new '00 Cougar and it is definitely a great automobile. However, I did trade a terribly built ZX2 for the Cougar which makes me a little apprehensive about owning another Ford product. Two questions: Does anyone else hear a loud winding sound coming from the engine area, similar to a car low on power steering fluid? Secondly, does anyone have any comments about their manual transmission? Mine is a bit clunky and seems slip.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Right now, someone else is asking about that whining noise in the Cougar Support Group conference. It depends if it is a belt noise or is it an intake noise. The Cougar does have a distinct sound to the engine note. But if it sounds out of place, take it to the service department.

    I have a manual transmission, and while I find that under quick acceleration it tends to be difficult getting into second or third, but after careful consideration I don't think that I'm putting the pedal in far enough to engage the gears properly. Again, if it seems out of place, take it to the shop.

    Be sure you check out the Cougar Support Group, by the way, because there are a lot of knowledgeable folks in there who may be or have experienced the same stuff you are. It's here at the Town Hall, topic #1528.
  • nova8nova8 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the advice. I just checked out some of the other posts and was impressed by the wealth of useful information available. One more thing, what's the scoop on the use of higher octane fuel(premium) in the cougar?
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Nova8:
    The Cougar does not require you to use premium fuel in stock form. The manual calls for regular grade. But if you are running a superchip (like myself), you will have to use premium.

    Before I installed the chip, I ran regular and the middle grade with no problems what so ever. Once I installed the chip regular was out of the question. The manufacturer of the chip recommends premium, but I tried to get away with the middle grade, but detonation occurred when the engine was under revved, so I made the switch to premium.

    If you have no intention of installing the chip, regular will do fine.
  • eurocareurocar Member Posts: 12
    I found that my Cougar V6 had some very light pinging when run on regular 87 octane, in circumstances where I'd floor it say, in 3rd, from around 2500rpm . Nothing real bad, and I wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't had the window down and was driving next to a fence. No problem since I switched to 93, and it is also ok on 90 octane. My experience was confirmed by some of the posts on the Ford Contour Website. the consensus seemed to be that 87 looks good to the customer but is pushing it a little for an engine with the compression ratio of the Duratec. Seemed true in my case, for whatever that's worth.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Eurocar:
    I never experienced that, but then again you said conditions had to be just right for you to notice it.

    I'm thinking about pulling the chip out if gas prices continue to rise. Right now super is $1.53 per gallon! Last year it was about $1.20 per gallon. The chip does give me slightly better mileage, but paying for premium fuel out weighs the extra mileage.
  • nova8nova8 Member Posts: 3
    Wow! $1.53! Where I live in California super is nearing the $1.90 area!
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Nova8:
    I was talking to the owner of the Mobil station I always go to. He said prices should come down by the spring, but between now and then they might go up to $2.00!

    Gas prices on the west coast are usually higher then the prices over here on the east coast.

    It could be worse, we could live in the UK where prices are INSANE! After doing the money conversions, they pay $5.00 per gallon!
  • roadroachroadroach Member Posts: 131
    I actually see something good with these price increases: maybe John Q Public won't be so quick to buy that new SUV and will instead opt to get something I can actually see around....8^)
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Roadroach:
    I to am fed up with these land behemoths. Yes they have their place, but not in the hands of the average driving impaired soccer Mom. Most of these SUVs are a joke. 90% couldn't hold up on real world off road conditions.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    The bad part is that they drive these huge SUV's like sports cars!!!!
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    IMHO the worst driver's on the road are mini-vans and SUVs drivers (general observance). There also the most deadly.
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    My biggest problem with them is the inability to see through them to anticipate traffic patterns and problems ahead.

    One of the keys to good, safe driving is "situational awareness". That includes knowing where other vehicles are around you, what's coming up fast behind you, and what's happening on down the road ahead.

    If you can't see it coming, you can't avoid it (see NASCAR drivers entering accident smoke at high speed).

    Skip G.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    That's why I've invented the sunroof pariscope. You drive with these goggles strapped to your head, and it makes you feel 20' taller in the driver's position while still keeping the sportyness of your own car. :^)
  • eurocareurocar Member Posts: 12
    Don't just pick on the soccer mom's. Don't forget these guys who are pretending the "sport" in SportUtility actually means something. And that they are as "rugged" just as their machines. "Like a Rock" and "Ford Tough". What a crock. One of my favorite pasttimes is seeing how many of these idiots are in the ditch when it gets real slippery up around here. I'd venture a guess that they outnumber the cars. They don't seem to get it that their 2tons of scrapmetal riding on 1940's truck suspensions don't stop any better than anything else and sure as heck can't handle. The auto makers are laughing all the way to the bank with these high profile, high profit, pretentious tarted up pickups. At least the minivans are more honest vehicles, IMO. If I've got to haul something big I'll take a real pickup. The SUVs aren't even good for that. So where's the sport OR the utility?
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Eurocar:
    My parents have an Expedition, my Dad tows his boat up to 1000 Islands NY/Canada twice a year. He wanted something that could not only tow the 23 foot boat, but could also seat several adults and store their gear comfortably. I think he made a wise choice in vehicles, but he knows the limitations it has, and he is an excellent driver. I do believe these vehicles have a purpose, but they do not belong in the hands of every psycho on the road.

    As some of you know I work part time for a local police department. In the last few months we have had several snow storms. As with any storm motor vehicle accidents are very likely to occur. This past weekend I was looking over this quarter's MVA file (motor vehicle accident), and 75% of the accidents that occurred in town during these storms involved an SUV. This tells me 2 things, that there are more and more of these things on the road, and in adverse weather conditions people think their SUV can go through and over anything (I know these two things are obvious to the average person, but the data collected at the PD backed these thoughts up). If you don't drive carefully at all times, no matter what you drive, your much more prone to get in to, or cause an accident.

    Personally I think the SUV craze has gotten way out of hand. I know this may sound insane, but I feel new SUV owners should have to take some sort of specialized driving test (both classroom and on the track). I really think this would cut down the amount of accidents on the road and would also put an end to the illusion that SUVs are the go all, be all vehicles that their manufacturers crack them up to be.
  • rdeschenerdeschene Member Posts: 331
    badulah and eurocar. Hear, hear!!!

    One fine Friday evening I was driving from Kitchener, ON to North Bay, ON through the snow belt, and it was living up to its name. There was literally 6" of snow on the road (the ploughs couldn't keep up) and I was driving 60 km/h on a four lane highway because I couldn't really tell where the road ended and the shoulder and ditch began.

    I was waiting for an exit where I could pull off, and a Cherokee blasts pass me at 100km/h! The next thing I saw was their brake lights as they tried to slow for a curve, and a big puff of snow when they ploughed thru the snow bank instead!

    They experienced the direct, and perfectly predictable consequences, of their actions.
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Rob:

    At least your dad has a practical reason for having and using a Bord Extradition.

    I would guess that the most towing 95% of the damn things do are the stray plastic bags that get blown and caught underneath. But, decorative covers on the ball hitch do have a certain quaint charm about them :)

    Skip G.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Skip G:
    No ball hitch covers here. Dad hates those things. 8-)
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I crack up everytime I see a women driving a Suburban or Expedition and they can barely see over the steering wheel. Next thing you know she is changing lanes in front of you WITHOUT a blinker being used. With the way they weave in and out of traffic you would think they are in a Cougar or something.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    LOL! LOL! LOL!

    Your a seeek little puppy

    He pulls the hitch off when it is not in use. Hence the square cannon effect.
  • eurocareurocar Member Posts: 12
    badulah,

    No doubt there is a proper place for trucks and suv's. I don't mean to put-down everyone who has one. It's just that they've become "the thing to have" and are unnecessarily clogging up the highways in most cases, in my opinion. They've replaced the big ugly American road barges for many people wanting to impress each other with the bigger-is-better old fashioned car aesthetic. We in fact have a F150 which is primarily my wife's vehicle. She needs it to pull her horse trailer, and we don't have a budget which allows for an extra commuter car, so it gets used for that too. She knows how to drive it and slows down to a sane speed when conditions are bad even though it is a 4X4. So I do understand what you are saying about your father's Expedition. 4wd is a great advantage as long as you drive as if you don't have it. As gas prices go back up we're dreaming about having a more efficient smaller vehicle in addition to the utilitarian truck. Then it can be used for the work it's best at.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Eurocar:
    I agree, they have become "the thing to have", and everyone is jumping on the band wagon. Almost every manufacturer has cashed in on this market. Even manufacturers like BMW & the latest from Porsche. If I want a sports car, i'll buy a Porsche. If I want a truck, i'll buy a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. Although I think the Expedition is a nice truck, I think it drives to much like a big cushy station wagon. It's to smooth for something that big. It is so graceful that it gives the illusion of driving a smaller car (does that make sense?). My friend used to have an older Chevy Blazer (full size). It felt like a truck should. It was loud, bumpy, and could hold up off road. It had a purpose, and served it well.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    I posted this link in the Smash & Bash too, because of anti-SUV conversation. Just keeping with the trend:

    http://www.freep.com/voices/cartoons/022000_mt_450.htm
  • mznmzn Member Posts: 727
    Friends, SUVs and their drivers are off topic here. Let's talk about Cougars!

    carlady/host
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Yes maam
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Cougars rule, SUVs bite!
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Woe is me!!!

    I got scribbled :(

    Carlady, do you really think a mild entandre' joke is as evil as some of the language and rants left posted in many other conferences?

    The others reading it seemed to take it as the good natured kidding that it was intended, and took no offense.

    Believe me, no offense was intended!!!

    Skip G.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I have also gotten scribbled for some pretty (Cougar) innocent stuff too. Had to get Cougar in there somewhere!!!
  • eurocareurocar Member Posts: 12
    the Cougar is not an SUV. And that's a good thing, too, because SUV's are . . . .

    not Cougars.

    But, back to hatchbacks. I find it a little odd that cars are classified, in large part, by how many doors or other openings they have. Am I alone in this? One of the nicest things about the cat, though is the hatch. It gives it close to the utility of a small wagon. My old '77 Renault R17 Gordini had the same fastback hatch design with the removable rear shelf. It makes no sense to me that some regard hatchbacks as an economy car trait, at least here in the US.
  • wallynewallyne Member Posts: 2
    Anyone know the 0-60 time for a v-6 automatic??
    thanks
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Could be between 7.7 seconds and 9.0, depending on where you get the data.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I drove one and it felt kind of flat to me. With the looks of the Cougar, I think it should be faster than it is.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    There's tradeoffs for everything. The MTX is rather spry ...
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Vocus:
    The MTX is more of a sports transmission. This is not to say that the ATX is bad, but the MTX allows the Cougar to perform up to it's appearance.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Attention Cougar Owners!

    After months of hard work, the Cougar Support Group (CSG) finally has a web site to call its own! The new web site will give the CSG a place to gather and post useful information such as: Install guides, modification reviews, member lists, detailing tips, and other great Cougar related information. The site also features a CSG catalog section. Soon we will be coming out with all sorts of CSG memorabilia (Hats, T-Shirts, Polo shirts, decals, ect.), which will be available to CSG members at a reasonable price.

    Currently the site is a bit Spartan and we have a few bugs to work out (as you will see), but we have major plans for it. We like to think of the page as a "living Site". Our goal is to update it as often as possible with useful information that will be provided by the current caretakers, FMC, Edmunds.com, and of course all of the GREAT CSG members. We encourage the members to write in with ideas, concepts, install guides, reviews, and anything else that other CSG members may find useful. We will be coming out with a member information submittal procedure very soon, and we will make it available to all CSG members. Right now we would like a lot of feedback about the general layout of the site. Please send us an email with your comments and opinions.

    Some of you may be asking "why does the CSG need a home since there are a number of Cougar clubs / sites set up?" The answer to that is simple, the CSG has been around since January of 1998. That is far longer than any other currently developed 1999 and newer Cougar club. The wealth of information this group has built up is tremendous. We thought it was about time the CSG gathered together it's members and resources and formed a true to life auto club. We have already attracted attention from FMC and we believe we can continue to develop this group in to the number one (1999 and newer) Mercury Cougar club.

    Currently Edmunds.com is setting up an owner’s conference and the CSG will be the first group to be moved over to this area. We have been in touch with the staff at Edmunds and are hoping to be able to customize this area to suit the CSGs needs. If at anytime these two sites become redundant, we will take down this site and divert everyone back to Edmunds owner’s conference. Either way we have full intentions of continuing use of the Town Hall area and our CSG conferences. We feel the current posting board is a very efficient and useful means of communications. Not to mention the fact that it is closely monitored by the Edmunds staff, which will save us a lot of headaches down the road.

    Currently the site is posted on my AT&T free web space, hopefully this is only temporary. We are hoping to eventually move the site to a URL of its own. If anyone of you can help us out with this situation, please contact us at the e-mail address listed below. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    And without further delay, I present you with the CSGs new web site!
    http://home.att.net/~cougarsupportgroup/index.html

    Sincerely:
    Robert J. Kibler AKA "Badulah" & Joe Pilkington AKA "StageLeft"
    Cougar Support Group Caretakers

    PS – Send all site comments and opinions to: CougarSupportGroup@worldnet.att.net
  • cougar_fancougar_fan Member Posts: 1
    I currently have a 98 ZX2 and I really wanted the Cougar when they came out, however, they weren't available or priced yet. A relative was a Ford dealer so he showed us the prototypes, features, etc. So, with .9% financing on the ZX2 that's the route we chose. It's been a great car, and I have no complaints, except that I've had my eyes on the Cougars for so long. Now we're in the market to buy one. So we test drove one here at our local Ford dealer, and it was a manual, with sport group and comfort group, anyway, the car was horrible! I got in it and the seats had big bulges in my shoulders and they were very hard. The interior didn't really appeal to me either. It rode so rough, and we expected that from a car with a sport suspension, but it was really bad. The engine had a loud whine in it, similar to what NOVA8 described. It shifted easily, but it was very jerky and felt like you were going to lose control of it. We went back very disappointed after eyeing this car up for a couple years. So we stopped in at another one in a nearby city and drove a FULLY loaded tourmaline green cougar, with an automatic, no sport suspension, but with spoiler and everything else! I have to say that it was everything that I thought it would be and more! I was very happy to know that the car I had waited so long for wasn't just a bad car in general. The one on local lot was just defective maybe? Glad to know that they aren't all that way. That's why we gave it a second chance. Next car for me is a cougar!!!!
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Hopefully, you'll get the exact one you drove. If you didn't like the first one, but liked the second, it would only make sense. I bought one off the lot in July of '98, and I've loved it ever since. Good luck, and if you haven't yet, check out the Cougar Support Group, topic # 1677 if you want any more feedback.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Congratulations on your recent test drive. The first Cougar you drove may of been a demo. Those demos tend to get driven very hard. I am very happy with my Cougar and highly recommend them. Good luck!!!
  • ambercadabraambercadabra Member Posts: 56
    Hey all...I stopped by Edmunds to find Dealer holdback/incentive amounts for my brand new 2000 Cougar to be purchased next week...and I stumbled upon the convo here...

    (And as a late addition, I think Cadillac drivers are just as bad as mini-van and SUV drivers.)

    Anyway, glad to be among friends here...I'm going for the manual tranny... NOTHING is as bumpy and rigid as the Camaro Z28 I'm replacing with my new kitty kat.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    ambercadabra:

    Glad to see you've found us, here on Edmunds.com. Be sure to also check out the Cougar Support Group (CSG) in the new Owner's club section.

    Hope to see you there!
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Welcome to Cougarville!!

    Go over to the sports & convertables section, find the Cougar Support Group file(1677), get caught up on several thousand postings, and then find the new CSG/Owners Club in the new Owner's Club Conference.

    You're going to find that the Cougar is a big change from a Z28. Not as fast in a straight line, but a much more spohisticated and better handling road car. More trunk space, too!!!! And the insurance cost difference shold pay for the cat in a couple of years.;)

    Skip G.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Ambercadabera:
    My previous car was an 87 IROC-Z, so I know where your coming from. The Cougar isn't as fast as my Z, but the Cougar is a much more refined automobile. As Stageleft pointed out, please check out the Cougar Support Group (CSG) at the above link, but also be sure to check out our club web site at: http://home.att.net/~cougarsupportgroup

    You will find TONS of helpful information in both areas. I hope to see you there!

    -Rob
    AKA "Badulah"
    CSG Caretaker
  • ambercadabraambercadabra Member Posts: 56
    All:

    Thanks for the warm welcome. I will *sigh* miss the off-the-line jump I get from my Z, but the thing has been about as dependable as a used car salesman. Its been in the shop more than I've driven it. And I think I've just outgrown the speed thing for a while, and want a little cushiness.

    On my way to check out the support group and all that...thanks again!

    BTW, at the dealership where I'm purchasing my car, there's a really nifty bright red Cougar with custom red and black leather interior, ground effects and hand pinstriping, in case anyone's interested in a one-of-a-kind...it's pretty awesome looking.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Ambercadabera:
    Where did you see that custom Cat? Which dealership? I wonder if it is a Roush model? If it is, they look nice but the performance is exactly the same, with the exception of tighter springs. Lots of extra eye candy.
  • ambercadabraambercadabra Member Posts: 56
    Rob,

    The custom is here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at a dealership called Uptown Motors. Not sure if it's a Roush, but I'd be happy to find out when I'm there if you like. Pricetag is right around $23K. Oh, wouldn't THAT be nice...*sigh* :o)

    -Amber
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    If you don't mind, could you please check it out for me? I would like to know who put the options package together and what it consists of?

    Thanks for the help!
    -Rob
  • ambercadabraambercadabra Member Posts: 56
    Rob-

    I'll be in the dealership this weekend, hopefully signing my papers, so I'll be happy to look for you and find out what I can. I wont be back in the office at my computer until Monday, so I'll let you know then. :o)

    A.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    GREAT!
    Can you post your finding in the CSG main topic so all of us can review it?

    Thanks Again!
  • ambercadabraambercadabra Member Posts: 56
    Rob -

    The customization to the Cougar (which has now been snatched up by a local guy and entered into a racing club) was done locally. It included two tone red/black leather with an embroidered Cougar emblem on the headrest, ground effects, a custom spoiler, chrome wheels and a few other little things here and there...I'm still trying to find out from the dealer the exact name of the guy/company who did the mods ( he didn't know off the top of his head, and seemingly neither did anyone else..you'd think SOMEone would for pete's sake..). I'll let you know if and when i find out the details.

    Amber.

    P.S. - I got my Silver kitty on Monday, so I gotta go now cause I gotta go cruise around. ;) (I'm SOOOOOO excited!!!!)
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