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mmo1184 · November 2003

I was wondering if my 19 year old son is legally allowed to drive a car that I leased? The only reason I ask is since I don't actually own the car. Thanks

knockoff · November 2003

Sorry about jumping all over the place, but... went to drive a Touareg again and the dealer has a used Porsche Cayenne S. It is 3 months old with 8400 miles. They are asking $57,000. What would the residual & money factor be. The MSRP was approx. $64,000. Can they use that to calculate the lease even with 8400 miles?
That is for 15,000 miles/year for 36, 42 or 48 months.
thanks.

clpurnell · November 2003

This would be considered a used car lease on the cayenne. Don't think Car_man has numbers on these as they vary widely from bank to bank. Also you should pay no more than 50k for the used Cay. Terry says these are only pulling about 46-48k at the auctions.

mellis · November 2003

Carman:

Do you have any info on any early lease termination programs Chrysler Financial may be running? I have an 02 Liberty that has the lease up in Sept and would be interested.

Mark

jratcliffe · November 2003

Well, Leasecompare can be a good benchmark for used leases, and they list $862 for a 36mo/12k per year lease on a 2004 Cayenne S with 8400 miles, stickering at $64k, with selling price of $55k. If you can get it down to $50k, it's about $714 a month.

CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, mobofe. I hope that you had lots of delicious turkey

. Thanks for the update on your quest for a new A4.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Hi nale. Even though Audi occasionally has regional variation in its lease program, it does not have any at this time. The base lease money factors for all of its models are exactly the same, regardless of what state you lease it in. If any dealer tells you otherwise they are lying to you. Normally I would advise you to shop around at a few other Audi dealers in your area until you find one that is willing to lease you this car using Audi's base lease program. However, as you indicated in your post, this will be difficult in your situation because Audi does not have many dealers in your area. You can always try to haggle with them to get them to use Audi's base lease money factor to calculate your payment, using the fact that you are more than willing to lease a different manufacturers' product if they do not work with you as leverage.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Greetings safari_in_cali. The 2003 and 2004 versions as well as the 2WD and AWD versions of the Infiniti FX35 all have different lease programs. Let's take a look at them. If you were to lease a 2004 Infiniti FX35 2WD through Infiniti Financial Services this month for 3 years with 12,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00200 and 52%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 48 month lease should be .00200 and 45%. If you were to lease an '04 Infiniti FX35 AWD through IFS this month for 3 years with 12,000 miles per, its base factor and resid should be .00200 and 54%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 4 year lease should be .00200 and 48%. Now for the '03 model. If you were to lease an '03 FX35 2WD through IFS this month for 3 years with 12k per, its numbers should be .00158 and 52% and its 4 year 12k numbers should be .00163 and 44%. Last but not least the 3 and 4 year, 12,000 miles per numbers for a lease of an '03 FX35 AWD are .00175 & 53% / .00176 & 45%.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Hi nupeskee. Here is the information that you are looking for. If you were to lease a 2004 Honda Pilot EX-L through American Honda Finance Corp. this month for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00215 and 60%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease of this model should be .00215 and 57% and the numbers for an otherwise identical 48 month lease should be .00200 and 53%.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Hello mpsurfer. Let's take a look at the current lease program for the model that you are interested in. If you were to lease a 2004 Audi A6 Sedan 2.7T through Audi Financial Services prior to December 3rd for 30 months with 15,000 miles per year, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00130 and 57%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease should be .00130 and 53%. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Welcome to the wonderful world of leasing, dtate99. Leasing can be a great way to drive a new vehicle every couple of years for a relatively low monthly payment, provided that one understands what they are getting into and there is an attractive lease program available on the model that they are interested in. Let's take a look at Acura's current program for the TL. If you were to lease a 2004 Acura TL without navigation through American Honda Finance Corp. in November, its 3 year, 12,000 miles per base lease money factor and residual value should be .00210 and 61%, respectively. Acura has not published its December lease program yet, but I suspect that it will be fairly similar to its current program. Check back with me towards the end of the week with a quick reminder and I will let you know what I have been able to find out about its December program.

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CarMan@Edmunds · November 2003

Happy Holidays to you as well, lalakrsfan. It is difficult to say what Infiniti's lease program will be like on the 2003 FX45 in December. I can tell you with certainty though that it is providing up to $3,000 dealer cash through the end of the year on '03 FX45 models that are equipped with the premium package. For now, I will provide you with Infinit's November lease numbers for the models that you mentioned so that you can get a rough idea of what they will be like. For their exact December numbers, drop me a quick reminder closer to the date that you plan on leasing one. If you were to lease a 2003 Infiniti FX35 2WD through Infiniti Financial Services this month for 39 months with 15,000 miles per year, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00158 and 50%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2003 FX45 Premium should be .00156 and 50%. Unfortunately, I have not seen any early lease termination offers from Infiniti on either of these models lately, but one never knows if they will do something like that down the road.

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gsj1 · November 2003

Hello, looking for MF and RV for the G35 and G35X (AWD) sedan, automatic, leather. I am interested in 36 and 39 months at 15k miles. Also, does navigation affect the numbers, and will Infiniti change figures for December? Thanks in advance.

jmdeang · November 2003

Does anyone know the residual and money factor for a 3 year 15,000mi/yr Cadillac SRX

Thanks

rossmisher · November 2003

We have a Black 325i BMW 2001 with 24,000 miles. Great condition - no accidents. The lease is up in Feb. and the buy out is $21,889. Should we buy and refinance this car at 2.9% (which is what BMW is offering) or not?

Can you negotiate this buy out amount and interest amount from BMW financial services?

Also, if we do buy it, they offer a 100 point inspection for $1,200 and give a warrenty - is that worth it?

CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hey topgun7. I have seen Toyota's lease program for the new Solara. As one might imagine with such a new model, Toyota is not providing any sort of lease support on this model in any of the areas that I have seen its programs for. As a result, if you were to lease one through Toyota Financial Services, you would have to use its standard lease program. I can provide you with an idea of what Toyota's standard program was like in November, but I have a feeling that it may publish new numbers for December. If you were to lease a 2004 Toyota Solara SLE V6 with navigation through Toyota Financial Services last month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00220 and 53%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 4 year lease of this car would be .00220 and 46%. If you were to lease a Solara with only 12,000 miles per year, its residual values would be 2% higher than the aforementioned numbers. Check back with me towards the end of the week and I will be able to tell you if Toyota has published a new program for the month of December.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi mmo1184. I believe that your son can indeed legally drive your leased car. The worst case scenario in letting your son drive your leased car is that he has an accident. As long as your car is covered by the level of insurance that the bank that you are leasing it through requires you to have on it, it will be fully repaired in the event of an accident and it shouldn't matter who was driving it. You may want to check your lease agreement just to make sure, but I am not aware of any banks that forbid members of the same family from sharing vehicles.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi again knockoff. If you were interested in leasing this Cayenne, you would have to do so through a used vehicle lease program (unless it has never been titled and was just used as a demo). There is such a large number of variables associated with used vehicle leases and they are so much less popular than new vehicle leases that I do not personally keep track of their details. Sorry that I could not give you a better idea of how much it should cost you to lease this vehicle. Having said this, even taking the fact that the Cayenne is used into account, I bet that the Touareg is still less expensive to lease.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hello Mark. According to what I have heard, DaimlerChrysler's early lease termination program will waive the remaining monthly payments for current Chrysler Financial lessees whose deals are scheduled to expire before July 3, 2004 if they get a new Chrysler, Dodge, or Jeep product. You can always check with Chrysler directly to see if they will make an exception for you, but since the lease on your Liberty is not scheduled to end until September of next year you may not be able to take advantage of this program.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Good morning, gsj1. Infiniti is scheduled to publish its new December lease program tomorrow, so I haven't see what it will be like yet. Having said this, since it has not really been providing any sort of lease support on the 2004 G35, I suspect that its December lease program for it will be fairly similar to its November program. If you were to lease a 2004 Infiniti G35 Sedan through Infiniti Financial Services using its November program for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should have been around .00200 and 57%, respectively. The factor for an otherwise identical lease of the new 2004 G35X would be the same but the residual value would fall to 56%. Post a quick reminder in this discussion for me in a couple of days and I should be able to fill you in on the details of Infiniti's December lease program for both of these cars. Talk to you then.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi jmdeang. I have seen General Motors' lease program for the 2004 Cadillac SRX. Before we get into its specifics, I need to tell you that GM publishes its lease numbers a little differently than other companies do. GMAC issues lease interest rates for the models that it leases rather than factors. These rates can be converted into approximate money factor equivalents by dividing them by 2400. OK, now for the program. If you were to lease a 2004 Cadillac SRX V6 through GMAC this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease rate and residual value should be 5.5% and 52%, respectively. Let me know if you need the numbers for the V8 version.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi rossmisher. In order for you to know whether you should purchase your leased BMW at the end of your term, you need to get an idea of what this car is worth on the open market. In order to do so, you should look up its Edmunds.com True Market Value by visiting the used vehicle pricing section of this site. Here is a link for your convenience: Edmunds.com Used Car Appraiser. You also may want to stop by the popular Real-World Trade-In Values discussion that appears over on the Smart Shoppers Message Board. If you post specific information on your car in that area, one of our most knowledgeable community members, Terry, may be kind enough to give you his opinion on your vehicle's current value. If it turns out that your purchase option price is less than or at least close to what it is actually worth, then you may indeed want to purchase your car. It sounds like you have enjoyed it and BMW certainly is offering attractive financing on it. Of course, before buying vehicles at lease end, it never hurts to try to negotiate a lower purchase price. Place a call directly to BMW FS and see if they would be willing to work with you. If your initial contact there is not, you may get better results by moving up the ladder a few rungs. Of course, there's no guarantee that they will be willing to lower your car's price, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

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jmdeang · December 2003

Car_man - thanks

Someone told me that the interest rate went to 4.90 today. In any case, do you know what a 3 yr lease payment should be using a $47,300 mrsp, a net cap cost of 37,500 and a 52% residual ($24,596). For the example, use a 5.5% interest rate

Thanks

CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

That is very possible, jmdeang. Even though General Motors' current lease program had an expiration date of January 12, 2004 when it was originally published, I would not be surprised if they did make some revisions / enhancements to it for the month of December. I will probably have an opportunity to take a look at GM's new December programs by the end of the week. Please feel free to post a quick reminder for me then and I will be more than happy to tell you if anything has changed.

For now, I can calculate a sample lease payment on this vehicle for you using the November numbers. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2004 Cadillac SRX V6 with a full MSRP of $47,300 and a capitalized cost of $37,500 through General Motors Acceptance Corp. this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, your pre-tax monthly payment would be slightly over $500. I have to say though that the capitalized cost that you provided in your last post looks a little on the low side to me. I personally doubt that you will be able to negotiate a $10,000 discount on this model. So I assume that you are baking some sort of down payment into the cap cost that you mentioned. I personally advise consumer to lease vehicles without putting any money down. I do so for two main reasons. The first is that if your vehicle is stolen and never recovered or totaled in an accident during your lease, your insurance company pays off the bank that you were leasing through and your down payment essentially disappears. The second main reason is that down payments on leased vehicles do nothing to reduce their lease-end purchase prices. The purchase option price for this SRX will be exactly the same, whether you make a $5,000 down payment or absolutely none at all.

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safari_in_cali · December 2003

Car_man,

Thanks for the info. I got 2004 FX35 RWD (MSRP $45,455) for $41,200 (that's $650 over invoice). The dealer told me that US Bank is offering very attractive 48 months/12,000 miles lease with .00141 money factor and 45% residual. That bank, however, calculates the residual value based on the adjusted MSRP, which is about $2,800 less than the actual MSRP. The monthly payment though is still going to be lower compared to the Infiniti FS lease program for the same term because Infiniti has .0020 money factor. So I decided to finance my lease with US Bank. With zero down and no security deposit I'll be paying $600 a month.

lalakrsfan · December 2003

Safari in cali...

Congrats on your new FX35! What dealer did you get you FX from?

Thanks!

lewh2 · December 2003

Please provide December residual and MF values for a 2004 BMW 525, 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Thanks.

dicky243 · December 2003

I am interested in leasing a 2004 Acura Tl with Navi with 15,000 miles per year. The money factor that I was quoted was .0028 for 42 months from my dealer through AHFC. Assuming I have teir 1 credit, what can be done to get a lower money factor?

knockoff · December 2003

Thanks Car_Man and others for the info...
What would the leasing info be on a new Cayenne?
15,000/year for 36mo, 42, & 48?
This may be out of my league but maybe...
And could you update me on the Touareg V8 numbers if they are different for December? 36 months is all I need.
thanks again.

lalakrsfan · December 2003

Hi Car Man,

Thanks for the information. I saw a later post where you stated that Infiniti will be will releasing their Dec. lease programs tomorrow. Would you please provide the Dec. money factor and residual numbers as soon as you have them. Here is my info again:

'03 FX35 Sport/Tech
36 or 39 months
15K a year
or...
'03 FX45 Premium
36 or 39 months
15K a year

Regarding the Infiniti early lease termination question - I have a '02 QX4 that I am 2 years into a 39 month lease. Have you heard of any offers related to the QX4?

Thank you!

tstarks33 · December 2003

Hey Car man, any idea what the going numbers are for a 12k mile lease, 36 months on an RX-8? I've been hearing that mazda isn't really pushing leases for this car at the moment. I was hoping that they published something for December... Thanks in advance

CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Congratulations on your new ride, safari_in_cali. Enjoy and thanks for taking the time to come back and let us all know how everything turned out.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

I just wanted to drop a quick note in this discussion to let everyone know that most manufacturers will be publishing new or revised lease programs for December either today or within the next several days. As you can imagine, I have not seen the details of their new programs yet, but will answer any questions that you have as soon as I have seen them. Thanks for your patience.

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aqbqcq · December 2003

Carman,

Can you please give me the residual and money factor for a 36 month lease with 12K miles/year.

stever12 · December 2003

Hi, do you know what the residual would be for an '04 Cadillac CTS, 12k mi/yr for 36 and 48 months? And the going interest rate through GMAC? Thanks!

paddyinvegas · December 2003

Mr. Car_man,

Can you comment on a BMW FS lease that has been offered to me on the above vehicle...

Cap cost: $41,120. $5000 down. 3 years w/12k.
Resid.: 52%. I forget the MF. Monthly: $575.

Anyway, my sales assoc. tells me $5000 down, which
includes the 1st month p'ment ($575) & sales tax for Nevada. So, $5000 - $575 = $4425, actual down p'ment. When I build the car on the BMW web-site it shows me $2500 down w/$597 a month p'ment...

Does this sound reasonable [or] should I run
like hell???

Thankx...

deet · December 2003

I have negotiated to sell price of an A4 3.0 Quattro down to the TMV and am now addressing the money factor of a 42 month, 15K mile lease. After originally being quoted .00170 I have moved him down to .00155. Is this a good deal or should I be negotiating him to the base m.f. (which I believe is around the .00130 mark if you can confirm). I am looking to go into final negotiation and sign the deal this evening. Thanks in advance for your help.

kyfdx · December 2003

the difference in .00155 and .00130 is likely to be about $15-18 per month.. just so you know how much you are negotiating for... Not all of that extra money goes to the dealer.. You could probably negotiate a lower lease payment by offering to give him $300 more for the car, if he'll use the base money factor. He'll probably make just as much, and you'll only pay about $7-8 more per month.

regards,
kyfdx

brianl0202 · December 2003

my lease on my 2001 chevy malibu is up soon. im in south jersey. i have an expired inspection sticker--will they care? or should i get it inspected before turning it in? they just changed the law and if a car is leased or purchased after 1/01/01 and is a 2001 or newer, inspections are just every 4yrs. i leased mine though in 12/00 and im pretty sure the new law wouldnt apply because of that even though its a 2001. do i need to worry about getting it inspected? thanks

bmwmaybe · December 2003

Carman, the info you provide is awesome. I feel like I am piling on, since its the beginning of the month, and there are quite a few requests for info on programs you do not have yet, but.....

I am looking at a 525 and 530 for a 12,000 mile, 42 month lease. Once you dig out from under all the requests above, any chance you can give me the money factors and residuals for these? Your help is greatly appreciated.

cindola1 · December 2003

Hi,

I posted on the Lexus site, but then saw a link to here. I'm in Southern CA & I'm going to get the 2004 Lexus RX330 on Saturday, but want to check to see if the pricing sounds good. It's white, Premium Plus, (No Navigation), FWD, 36 months, 15,000 miles per year, and with $2,000 down i've gotten a monthly payment range of $509-$514, Including the sales tax (my credit score is highest). Does this sound like a good deal, or should I shop around a bit in the next 2 days?? Thanks for any input.

CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

You're welcome, knockoff. Here is the information that you are looking for on leasing a new Cayenne. If you were to lease a 2004 Porsche Cayenne S through Porsche Credit this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00250 and 54%, respectively. The base lease money factor for an otherwise identical 48 month lease would be the same, but the residual value would drop to 48%.

I have not seen Volkswagen's December lease program yet. It was originally scheduled to publish it on December 2nd, but instead it just extended its November program for a few days until it can decide what to do in December. Please feel free to check back with me in a few days and I will fill you in on what I have been able to find out.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi lalakrsfan. I've finally been able to take a look at a copy of Infiniti's December lease program. Here is the info that you're looking for. If you were to lease a 2003 Infiniti FX35 AWD through Infiniti Financial Services in December for 36 months with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00175 and 52%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease are .00174 and 51%. If you were to lease a 2003 Infiniti FX45 through IFS right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00154 and 51%. The numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease should be .00156 and 50%.

I am sorry to say that to the best of my knowledge, Infiniti is not offering any sort of early lease termination program at this time.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Greetings tstarks33. I do not believe that Mazda is running any sort of lease program on the RX-8 through its captive finance company in December. If you want to lease this car, you may have to do so through an independent bank. I am sorry that I could not shed any more light on what this car's lease program should be like right now. You may be able to get a some feedback on what others have been paying for this car and perhaps even what sort of lease payments others have gotten by stopping by the Mazda RX-8: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion that appears in the What Did You Pay secion of the Smart Shoppers Message Board.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi aqbqcq. You never mentioned in your post whether you are interested in the 2WD or 4WD version of this truck, so for now I will give you info on the 4WD model. Let me know if you need the info for any other trim levels. If you were to lease a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4WD through Chrysler Financial this month for 3 years with 12,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00163 and 44%. In addition to this special lease program, DaimlerChrysler is providing $3,500 lease cash on this model that may be used to negotiate a lower capitalized cost. DCX is also running a dealer volume bonus program on all Jeep models in December that provides dealers with up to an additional $1,000 per unit to play with if they sell enough models. There is no way to know if the dealership that you are working with has qualified for this cash, but it is definitely something to keep in mind during your negotiations.

I don't know what your timetable for purchasing a new vehicle is, but if it is not urgent and you are set on getting a Grand Cherokee you may want to hold off on finalizing any deal until later this month. I say this because DaimlerChrysler is having a bunch of meetings mid-month, after which rumor has it they will announce a series of incentives enhancements. I don't know how valid this rumor is, but it wouldn't hurt to wait if you can.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

You are in luck, stever12. General Motors just enhanced its lease program for the Cadillac CTS. Here is the latest information. If you were to lease a 2004 Cadillac CTS through General Motors Acceptance Corp. this month for 3 years with 12,000 miles per, its base lease rate and residual value should be 3.95% and 50%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 48 month lease of this car should be 3.95% and 42%.

As you can see, GMAC publishes its lease numbers a little differently than most banks do. Rather than providing lease money factors for models, it issues lease rates. You can convert the aforementioned lease rates into approximate lease money factors by dividing them by 2400.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hello paddyinvegas. $5,000 is way too much money to put down when leasing a vehicle. I always advise consumers to not put any money down when leasing. The only things that BMW Financial Services requires lessees to pay at signing are your vehicle's first month's payment, its security deposit (unless it is waived), and a lease acquisition fee (unless you add it to the total cost of your car or truck). I advise consumers against putting money down when leasing for two main reasons. The first is that if the vehicle that you are leasing is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered during your lease, your insurance company pays off the bank that you are leasing it though and your down payment essentially disappears. The second main reason is that down payments on leased vehicles do nothing to lower their lease-end purchase prices. So regardless of whether you were to lease this 5-Series without any money down or with $5,000 down, its lease-end purchase price would be exactly the same.

The best thing that you can do is calculate a sample lease payment on the car that you are interested in, without any money down. I would be more than happy to calculate one for you, but I have not seen the details of BMW's December lease program yet. Please feel free to check back with me in this discussion in a few days with a quick reminder post and I will fill you in on what BMW's new program is like and about what you should be paying to lease this car. Talk to you soon.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Hi brianl0202. I have to preface any statement that I make on your situation by saying that different banks have different policies so you really need to contact General Motors Acceptance Corp., or whatever bank you are leasing through, directly to find out an answer to this question. Having said this, I personally do not think that the bank that you are leasing through will care whether you get your car inspected before turning it in. I wouldn't drive around for too long with an expired inspection sticker though. Take it from someone who was caught with one a few years ago, the fines for driving with an expired sticker are unnecessarily high and it getting pulled over by the police is always an annoying waste of time.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

The pile was getting a little deep wasn't it, bmwmaybe

? Don't worry about asking too many questions. The more the merrier. I am always glad to help. Unfortunately, I have not seen BMW's December lease program yet. I expect to within the next day or two. Please feel free to post a quick reminder in this discussion for me then and I will fill you in on what I have been able to find out. According to what I have heard, BMW's Dec. program is almost identical to its November program, but we better check just to make sure. Talk to you soon.

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CarMan@Edmunds · December 2003

Welcome aboard, cindola1. I would be more than happy to calculate a sample lease payment on the vehicle that you are interested in for you. However, in order for me to do so, I need you to provide me with its full MSRP and selling price. These numbers are very important for you as a consumer to know anyhow. Without them, you will not be able to tell what sort of deal you are getting. Once you have these figures, let me know and I will calculate a sample lease payment for you on this model using Lexus Financial Services' base lease program.

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