Audi allroad

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  • rmitsudarmitsuda Member Posts: 6
    It seems to be working. My wife drove a certain route and used the automatic transmission. When she left the gauge read 310. When she returned it read 265 (45 miles).

    Then I went on the same route, but used the tiptronic and short shifted between 2k - 2,500 rpms. When I left the gauge read 265 and when I returned it read 255 (10 miles).

    I'd like to do some more testing, but this initial result was very positive.

    Rich
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    I don't think the "distance remaining" indicator is a good guage of whether the use of the Tiptronic is aiding fuel economy. It jumps around a great deal, and how fast the miles remaining goes down mostly depends on how much of a steady speed you maintain, which of course makes sense. To truely test the short shifting technique I think you would have to measure separately, driving each way with separate tank fulls over routes (comparable mix of city/highway driving) that are close to each other as possible. It's pretty much a given that a light foot and lower rpm's at a given speed will give you better mileage, as long as you are not "lugging" the engine. But of course when doing this you will have some loss of responsiveness and therefore it won't be as much fun to drive. I think most use the Tip mode to delay shifts, keeping the rpm's in the power band to increase responsiveness and decrease transmission lag (which has an adverse effect on fuel economy).
  • rmitsudarmitsuda Member Posts: 6
    Jbaumgart,

    I agree with you. One thing that I forgot to mention was the position of the fuel gauge needle. When my wife did her drive the needle definitely dropped from where it had been previously (she's a slow driver, too, so the actual driving conditions were fairly similar to mine). However, when I drove the same route the needle stayed in nearly the same position.

    Yes, short shifting at such low rpms does take the fun out of driving, but I was doing this strictly for city driving where our average speed for traveling is quite low (at least here in SoCal where traffic is a joke). My wife does most of the driving in the allroad, and all of it is city/street driving.

    Even in these slow conditions, the allroad makes driving a very nice experience.

    Rich
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    I happen to frequent audiworld.com and can't believe that Edmunds has only 104 posts for such a wonderful vehicle. Oh well, I guess I'll mosey on over to the A6 Avant forum.
  • califjohncalifjohn Member Posts: 101
    posts! Has anyone heard of the addition of the V8 to the Allroad? IMHO that would make a great addition and give Audi some clout against the XC90 and upcoming VW crossover offerings.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    Yes, you can now order the 300 hp, 4.2 V8 engine in an allroad. Click here for more details.
  • cmpuartcmpuart Member Posts: 2
    When I went to take delivery of my car I had a problem where it would only shift to 3rd gear. They had to clean off a sensor. Then with only 195 miles I experienced the problem with the ABS, EPS and leveling system warning lights going on. They had to replace two sensors. Since then I haven't had any problems and I love it.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I have wondered too why the paucity of posts here -- but perhaps it is because so many of us Audifiles post on the A4 and A6 board. Speaking only for my wife and myself, we have had every Audi model ever brought to America -- except the convertibles. Heck, we even had a few non-quattros.

    My point is that there doesn't seem to be much momentum to get posters here on the allroad board -- and in point of fact, I have only had my allroad for 5 weeks -- but I love it, now that the On*star issues are past.

    03 allroad 6spd full paint, burgundy pearl, ecru leather -- all options and Pilot A/S 245 x 50 x 17" tires on standard allroad 17" factory wheels. Zoom zoom indeed. 1800 miles on it already!

    Too bad there isn't one more level down (perhaps another 1/2 inch).
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    Still thinking about the chip? (would go well with your new tires).
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Yep, called APR earlier this week -- no chip is YET ready for the 2003's.

    Here is what I WANT to do, chip with one program (regular from factory settings plus 91 Octane settings) and 2 BPV valves and a K&N air filter. They are trying to talk me into the Bi-Pipe too, saying "if not now later."

    What did you do and who did it?

    And yes, it would go well with the tires -- I am not looking to race, I am looking for just a wee bit more kick in the bum!
  • bradlake1bradlake1 Member Posts: 48
    Hi Guys:

    You are right not many posters here. I normally lurk at audiworld.

    Last week the self-leveling module went out and the AR was stuck on the 3rd level. After 5 days in the shop, I am again zooming around Atlanta. Although I had an A6 as a loner, I missed driving the AR. Now, if I could just get the wife out of it.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Participate, maybe we can get some "traction" on this board!
  • porknbeansporknbeans Member Posts: 465
    Purely because I'm an admirer not an owner. It would be nice if I were the Allroad and Audi Avants as a whole are beautiful cars IMO.
    Porknbeans

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    The only folks who I really don't appreciate are the complainers -- sure we all have problems with mechanical stuff and some will argue that German or perhaps better said European cars have "more" than their fair share.

    But I don't think so.

    So lurk away participate or whatever -- I'd love to hear why you admire these things!
  • porknbeansporknbeans Member Posts: 465
    For me the shape of the A6 Avants are both aesthetically pleasing to my eye while still being functional for my lifestyle and family. The interior space is comfortable, functional, luxurious, quite and still sporty and fun to be in. The car offers a bunch of great engines to choose from and has AWD. The Allroad just ups the ante with more masculine looks, chrome accents without being gaudy, even more power and ground clearance. The R6 makes me quiver knowing that what is under the hood can compete with 90% of what is on the road and it does it in sheeps clothing. That's why I like the A6 in a nutshell. BTW, from what I've seen of the redesign I think the front looks too much like a Chrysler 300M. That gape mouth approach does little for me.
    Porknbeans

    Grand High Poobah
    The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
  • johnlnjohnln Member Posts: 1
    I'm preparing to purchase a new AWD crossover type vehicle. My second home is at 7,000ft with some serious twisty roads. I recently drove the Allroad and felt very comfortable with the handling. However, the Navigation system was significantly below par. I also own a Honda Odyssey with NAV which works great! Any idea if Audi intends to improve this aspect of there cars?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    I went with APR and their 91 octane + stock programs. VERY pleased with it and consider the $599 cost well worth it. I leave it in chip mode all of the time except when taking it for service - just an oil change so far since adding it in September.

    I'll be anxious to hear how you like yours, once it becomes available for the '03's. Curious to know what they (APR?) are saying about the bypass valves and bi-pipe? I believe adding these would be strictly for reliabilty as opposed to performance reasons? I was told that the APR bi-pipe would not fit the allroad, as it's a slightly different configuration than the A6 2.7T. They also said that they spent a great deal of money on developing this part for the A6, and maybe just now are breaking even on it, so it was very unlikely that one would be developed for the more limited volume allroad. I assume we're talking about the same part here, and would be interested if you've heard something different.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    On the BiPipe they said replace now or later, you will replace -- reliability. They said the same thing about the BPV's -- reliability, but added that the new BPV's have a performance justificaiton too -- supposedly the increased torque of the 2.7T with the APR chip comes at a slightly higher than factory maximum RPM.

    The 258 pound feet of torque of the normal 2.7T comes on early (1850 RPM's). Hence the mostly accurate statement that there is no turbo lag on a 2.7T (virtually no lag is probably more accurate, but frankly unless I keep my revs below 1650 I would agree, no lag).

    Anyhow, when the new mapping of the pressure is applied to this engine with the "stock turbos" the torque really goes up. This is good, very very good.

    However, the torque -- this MASSIVE new torque -- comes on at slightly higher RPM's giving the former no lag engine a slight feeling of lag -- and apparently it is more noticable with the factory BPV's than the aftermarket BPV's. Moreover, the BPV's from APR assist in minimizing the turbo lag between shift, when you press the clutch -- remember I have a manual transmission.

    So the argument for both of these devices is reliability. The argument for the BPV's adds performance. I have read posts on Audiworld (on the S4 and the TT and the A6 2.7T) that seem to substantiate this.

    On a price basis, too, the BPV's are $129 and two are required. I think they, APR, wanted $60 to install them.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    Interesting - thanks for the information. I think I'll have the BPV's added the next time APR comes to town - seems like cheap insurance. I'm not looking for any more engine performance, but I do want maximum possible reliability.

    Did you verify that the BiPipe will fit the allroad? I was told by APR that A6 spec part is slightly different and that it would not fit the allroad.
  • twarrtwarr Member Posts: 1
    Can anyone help me find a rear-facing bench seat for my 1999 A6 Avant? When I purchased the car it was a $750 option, now Audi wants $1,500 for it? I'm sure there are people out there that have the seat and don't use it, but I dont' know how to find them. I've called dealers and they won't help. There is one on Ebay but I am skeptical about the seller. ANY suggestions would be appreciated! You can email me at thewarrs@att.net.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    They sent me an e-mail with a price -- so, I ASSUMED that it meant it was for the allroad version of the 2.7T.
  • imager1imager1 Member Posts: 1
    Anybody else having trouble keeping your tires balanced on your allroad? If so, what has Audi done about it? My allroad is less than 6 months old and I have had to have it serviced three times because of the ballance issue. Granted it does have 12K miles on it. It is never the same tire. They have rotated and rebalanced on each occasion but it does not help. After the service, it is good for a couple of hundred miles and then the shimmy is back. Any suggestions? Other than this issue? It is the best car I have owend or driven!
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    I've never had to rebalance the tires, other than winter/summer changeover. I have almost 30,000 miles on the odometer.

    Are you sure it's a tire balancing issue? Does the shimmy only make itself present at certain speeds, or at all speeds? I had the infamous 45 mph "wobble" issue until the dealer replaced my Transmission Control Module - this only affects Tiptronic models and 2001's in particular.

    I've also heard poor reviews on the stock tires, both the Goodyears and Pirellis. Have you had your original set on since new? If so they should be pretty worn by now and maybe a new set of tires would resolve the issue. Most who have tried the Michelin Pilot A/S's have been very happy with them - expensive but apparently worth the investment.

    You might want to post your problem on the allroad discussion forum at AudiWorld.com - good luck in resolving this issue.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Now at 3000 miles on my 03 allroad 2.7T 6spd man -- with Michelin PilotSport A/S @ 245 x 50 x 17 on stock wheels with tyre pressure monitoring (whew!) -- no vibrations, no shimmy, no noises other than the sound of the engine and transmission above 5K rpms as I run it out (up?) in 2nd and 3rd gear. The car seems to just get better all the time in virtually every aspect.

    My ONLY complaint is I would love to have a bit stiffer suspension and perhaps bigger tires/wheels (18 x 245 x 45 perhaps). The ride on my 01 A6 4.2 w/sport package was "no harsher" but it would "hunker down" more in the twisties.

    Yea and one more thing, even though I have had zero problemo with the brakes, well -- it is pretty easy to tell and say that the brakes AT BEST are a B+ while the rest of the car is an A.

    And I keep reading and hearing on audiworld, that most of us think there will be no new allroad -- that is this is it. 2004 or 05 will be the end.

    More's the pity.
  • bradlake1bradlake1 Member Posts: 48
    I have an 02 ar with close to 4K on the Odometer. I have stock Pirelli's and wheels. I have complained about the shimming with the service rep. numerous times. The wheels have been rotated and balanced. After the r/b, I did not notice the shimming for ~400 miles. However, I noticed it again when accelerating on the freeway. I have read on audiworld of this issue. The only solution may be to invest in new tires as suggested by JBaumgart. Beyond the shimming, I continue to greatly enjoy the allroad!!
  • fomentarfomentar Member Posts: 49
    I have recently test driven a number of Allroads, including CPO and new '03. I noticed a fair amount of road noise...more so than expected from this vehicle. Before driving it, I was sure I had found the perfect vehicle...not an SUV, but a great cross between functionality and enjoyment of driving a fine car. I have a significant commute and the road noise at this point will keep me away.

    I have read your posts regarding tires. Is that the simple answer?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    I don't notice excessive road noise on mine; in fact, I think it's a very quiet car. There are tires out there that are quieter than others - I know Mark used to have a set of Yokohama db's, which are known to be relatively quiet. Mark, care to comment?
  • fomentarfomentar Member Posts: 49
    Thanks for your comment. I may post this message out on the AudiWorld forum as well...I am interested to learn more from other folks like yourself.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    My 03 allroad with Pilot A/S 245 x 50 x 17" -- on factory wheels, is the quietest Audi I have ever owned. I have owned over two dozen Audis and one of them was an A8, which until this car was the quietest.

    I have never driven my car (now with 3,000 miles on it) with the stock tires, so that certainly could be an issue.

    The loudest Audi I ever had in this regard was a 2001 A6 4.2 with Pirelli 6000's -- I kept them for 8,000 miles and put Yokohama AVS db's on the car and the problem went away (for about 18000 miles, when I changed tires again to a sportier tires, Falken Azenis(SP?)).

    On the other hand, one of my coworkers has a Toyota Avalon and it is THE quietest CAR of any kind I have EVER been it -- it is eerie, it is so silent. But it rides and handles like a sofa.
  • bradlake1bradlake1 Member Posts: 48
    Before buying the ar, I primarily drove a 96 explorer and split driving time in my wife's 97 J30. To me, the ar offers a much more quietier drive.

    Living in Atlanta, the only weather issuses are rain and (occasionaly)ice so the stock Pirellis have been functioning well. I plan to upgrade the wheels and tires at ~15-18K miles.
  • luebberingluebbering Member Posts: 3
    I am considering buying an allroad. It's great-looking and fun to drive. Has anyone installed an after-market, ceiling-mounted tv and dvd player in one of these cars? Will it fit? Can one be installed even if the car has a sunroof? I have small kids and we often take long trips, so I can't live without a tv.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    Just wondering, what ever happened to conversation and reading a book?

    I don't know of anyone who's tried this, and I'm not sure I would want to mess with it, drilling holes in the roof, etc. If I were really desperate, as in I couldn't live without a TV, I would buy a portable DVD player or a small combination TV/VCR and plug it into the rear accessory outlet.
  • luebberingluebbering Member Posts: 3
    Books and conversation are no match for a 2 year old and a 4 year old on a five hour road trip!
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    In the case of a 2 and 4 year-old, I understand what you mean....I think I would buy something with a third row seat, like an Excursion maybe, and put them way back there. Make a 6 hour tape of Barney and Rug Rats episodes, and you should be all set.

    Seriously, in looking at the roof in my allroad on the way home tonight, I don't think a roof-mounted screen would work, unless you were to find one without a sunroof. Even then, I would be hesitant to do this mod unless you could find some custom installer that would guarantee it could come out without doing any permanent damage. If it were that important to me I'd look at a different model where you could get it as a factory-installed option - MDX, FX45, GX470, etc.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    There are systems available that the tv's can be mounted in the front headrests. There shouldn't be any problem with putting these in any models, unless the side airbags go up into the headrest, but I doubt that. Maybe a slight safety issue if someone were to fly forward and hit the tv screen, but that's pushing it IMHO.
  • luebberingluebbering Member Posts: 3
    Excuse my ignorance, but what's an FX45?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    The FX45 is Infiniti's new V8-powered (and potent)SUV model - check the New Cars section under Infiniti.
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    here's our Infiniti FX45 / FX35 discussion. You'll also find a direct link to the Infiniti New Vehicle guide in the Helpful Links over there.

    To luebbering - Good luck with your decision. ;-)

    And let's get back to the subject of the Audi Allroad. Thanks!
     
    Revka
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  • motokichimotokichi Member Posts: 48
    hello allroad drivers. i'm back in the market for a car again and this seems like a good place to start. how do the air controlled ride height hold up after a few years on the road?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    After passing the 30,000 mile mark, no problems. Over at AudiWorld.com I've read about a few people that have had issues with it, but it seems to be a very small percentage.

    I leave it in automatic mode most of the time, which in everyday driving is level 2. Others prefer manually setting it on level 1 and leaving it there for everyday use, but I find that level 2 provides a little smoother ride on the bumpy roads that we have around here. When in automatic mode, on the highway after reaching and maintaining higher speeds for a minute or two, it drops to level 1, then reverts to level 2 when you exit or slow down. I don't usually notice the change when this happens, unless I happen to be looking at the display. I use level 4 only very occasionally when driving slowly over very rough roads, in deep snow or when launching/loading my boat.

    All in all it's a very versatile system, and it looks like more vehicles (RX330, VW Tourag, etc.) will be incorporating some version of it in the future. Based on reports and pictures from people at AudiWorld.com, it also offers surprising true offroad capability if you're inclined to go that route.
  • bradlake1bradlake1 Member Posts: 48
    I have only owned my ar for 6 months and needed to have the air suspension module replaced after 2 months of ownwership. However, I have not had any other problems. The ar is an absolutely phenomenal vehicle. I love the performance, styling and versatility it offers.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Other than an On*star problem initially and auto door locks that seem to deprogram themselves my '03 allroad (6spd) is fantastic.

    I drive in position 2 on the freeways and generally hit the down button to position 1 as I exit the freeway.

    I've had a mod done on mine, by the dealer, which lowers the car over the factory settings by 12mm (about .5 inch), also I plus zero'd my tires to 245 x 50 x 17"s on the factory wheels. The car handles very well, has V8 like acceleration and is chock full of luxury touches (I have literally all options on the thing). I had the dealer paint the fenders and bumbers body color -- this car is fantastic.

    I replaced a 2001 A6 4.2 with the allroad -- I do not feel like I took even a tiny step back in any respect.

    I think a set of 18" wheels shod with 245 x 45 x 18" summer tires would add just that special something too!
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    and glad to hear your Audi Allroad is serving you well! I'm sure others passing through here will appreciate your notes.

    To everyone - It would be nice to see some more vehicle updates in here. So who's next? ;-)

    For those interested, you could list your total miles to date, mpg (city/highway), driving habits, additional accessories/mods, maintenance issues, trips/cargo experiences, and overall impression (pro/cons) of your vehicle... compared to when you first purchased.

    Also, like Mark has been doing, report back every 3-5 k miles to update again. Thanks for your participation!

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  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Member Posts: 890
    Mine just passed 33,000 miles and like Mark I've been very pleased with the car. Almost problem free - I had one issue pretty early on related to the ABS system that the dealer took care of right away. Otherwise no problems and the car's performance is fantastic. I did add an APR chip at about 20,000 miles and this made a noticeable difference in the performance. I'm not an overly aggressive driver but it's nice having that extra punch when you need it (it's supposed to add about an extra 100 ft-lbs of torque, which would bring it to over 350). I have had two warning tickets in the last month, but neither one was caused by the chip - it was just me not watching my constant speed closely enough when driving in 30 mph zones! Maybe the "wagon look" and my gray hair influenced both cops in not writing me up...

    Anyway other than winter tires (soon to come off), the factory-designed tow hitch and the APR chip, the car is pretty much stock. In summer I use it to tow my 2000 lb. fishing rig, and it does an admirable job carrying all my gear and pulling the boat which we take on our summer vacation and for long weekends out of the city. It's been an ideal family vehicle in that respect, plus it's entertaining to drive when I'm on my own (unlike the previous truck-based SUV we used to have). The interior build quality is top-notch - no rattles and the leather and wood so far shows no wear whatsoever. I like the fact that the car is pretty rare and you don't see many others, and after two years it still attracts lots of looks and "thumbs-up" gestures from total strangers.

    My only complaint - and it's a trivial one - is that some of my home-made MP3 CD's don't always work, like they do in my wife's 5 year-old A4. This could be related to a software "upgrade" on my computer because I didn't seem to have this problem when making my first 50 or so CD's. Now it's kind of sporatic - go figure.

    I'll probably purchase an extended warranty when the car approaches 50,000 miles because the way it looks now I'll want to keep the car for several more years. I've changed the oil (Mobil 1 0W-30) more often than officially recommended, about every 3000 miles, just in case I decide to keep it for up to 100,000 miles. No doubt that with our Minnesota winters, the chip and the occasional towing, keeping the engine filled with clean oil is a good thing.

    I really have no idea what my gas mileage is because I've literally never measured it, figuring there's not much you can do about it anyway...but I suspect it's in the high teens as most of the time I drive on suburban roads with stop lights and moderate traffic. On the highway at a steady rate of speed (65-70) the computer indicates 22-25 mpg. If you are looking for an economical vehicle, this is not it due to the weight and twin turbo engine, but my sense is that it's about on a par with most car-based SUV's.

    Best of luck to fellow allroad owners!
  • krodrenkrodren Member Posts: 31
    What ever happened to the V8-for-biturbo swap we used to hear about? Any rumors about allroad's production future?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    When I ordered my allroad, the V8 had been announced and yet no official orders were allowed to be placed .

    Now, however, if you want to give the dealer $500, you can order a V8 allroad -- but you can't get one with a 6spd manual. The V8 allroad, if this is important to you, will be beaten in its 0-60 times by a 6spd 2.7T.

    Now, all options/features that are availble on the V8 cannot be had on the 2.7T -- but get this:

    1. power assisted tilt and telescopic steering column -- V8 allroad only.

    2. factory 18" wheels and tires, can be ordered on V8 but are available, aftermarket, from the dealer (and they are an Audi part)

    3. from the factory, you can order "full paint" -- from the dealer the cost (for me at least) was $1,600 and it was done before I picked up the car.

    I do not know the price difference but it is probably at least $4,000 more for the V8. Now, for me I would have had one in a hearbeat IF a stick shift would have been an option.

    And, if you maxed out a 2.7T with the new tip tranny and put the chip (see above) in it -- it would be virtually identical to the V8 in performance, or at least close enough to not be an issue.

    I think the allroad has a limited future.

    This is one of Audis best vehicles and, frankly, it has failed (I assume they really didn't want the car to be THIS rare, that is) in the marketplace.

    Perhaps the new VW Toureg or the rumored PikesPeak or whatever, will come along and do things better. But for the time being, a well equipped allroad is "just under" $50,000 and IMO is the swiss army knife of cars.

    With all due respect, I say to the allroad V8 "why bother?"
  • krodrenkrodren Member Posts: 31
    Thanks for the response. I've always loved the allroad concept, but was underwhelmed the one time I drove one as a loaner. Like the size, but I'm not a turbo fan. So I'm waiting to see if the new S4 comes in the avant body; the Infinity FX45 is interesting as is the Taureg, esp if the allroad is phased out.
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Thanks for your detailed 33k vehicle report. Good notes! ;-)

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  • jpvwaudijpvwaudi Member Posts: 139
    allroad enthuiasts.....as an ABS, I get laughed at all the time when I say the ar 6sp is my favorite Audi;

    actually If I could choose any Audi, it would have to be the UrQuattro.....ha ha ha
  • mtmnetmtmnet Member Posts: 6
    Some of the articles I've read, mention that the suspension is harsh over bumpy roads. I'm curious how comfortable the AR is during freeway driving? (I have a BMW X5 with the sport package I don't like the bouncy ride on California freeways....)

    Also, I've never had a turbo and I'm curious if you still have let the the car idle to cool down after a long freeway run?

    I will probably wait for the 4.2 V8.
    Thanks for you help.
    Mike
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