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For 2002, the red is called Regatta Red and is bright. Looks good on the color chart. I believe it replaces the Winestone.
Don
I drove about an hour from my house to pick up the Yakima Spacecadet from Campmor in Northern N.J. The costs of shipping are very high as the box is bulky hence it was well worth it to drive and pick it up. With the rear seats down the Yakima Spacecadet fits inside my OB in the original cardboard shipping box. The Yakima site has a dealer locator and I printed out all dealers within a reasonable drive..and then just called around to see who had it in stock and had the best price.
In response to Liondogs:
The Packasport is one beautiful box and Packasport says it is waterproof - which the Yakima and Thule boxes are not. If you are leaving a box on all the time then it is probably the way to go. I only use the cargo box to bring my 2 kids to college and I plan to only mount it on top for one direction while it will sit inside the OB for the other non-cargo direction. I will probably also use it for our annual vacation where it will be mounted for about a week. With my limited use I couldn't justify the extra cost of the Packasport. Just curious if you know the weight on the Packasport 90xl as the Packasport literature and web site didn't state the weight?
Post here and let us know how you like the Packasport after you use it.
jim
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.rp?kbb&&11&94legacy
http://www.cars101.com/subaru_archives.html
In the Archive section on the left click on the Legacy 1990-1994 link and then scroll down.
And I believe this is the same vehicle:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1994/subaru/legacy/4drtouringturbo4wdwagon/overview.html?id=lin0056
bit
If that Ti is the turbo wagon, those are pretty cool. 160hp I believe, but good torque.
You know, I've never seen the integrated child seat. I'm curious - anyone have photos?
-juice
bit
Mark
I also has a 98 Grand Caravan with the integrated seats (2 of them). They work very well. The integrated seats work the best when I forget to take the other child seats out of the outback before going to work! Normal child seats are a bit higher up, allowing better visibilty for the kids out windows, but they kids don't seem to have a preference.
Then again, the old seatbelt hookup method doesn't work very well in the OB. The seat belts just don't tighten down as much I would like. making integrated seat(s) better. Maybe new child seats with the new 'standard' hookup into the seat back would be best.
Take the seat to a D/C dealership and they'll help you get it tight. A lot of local dealers offer a similar service.
Some times they have one guy stand in the seat pressing it down while the other tugs to get it tight - but they get it so secure it's amazing.
-juice
-Greg
The ABS would activate on a VDC model, as part of the traction/stability control, but not on yours.
-juice
Thanks Dave
-juice
-juice
Anybody here purchase, drive, or had service performed on an Outback in the area, with stories to tell?
For the curious, I have considered Volvo, Honda, Toyota and Lexus alternatives to the Outback and still find myself drawn back. Previously a loyal Toyota owner with four cars dating back to 1983, this will be my first purchase outside of the brand.
Haven't yet made the final decision, but with Memorial Day weekend coming up I expect that a good deal can be made. I look forward to driving a new Subaru!
Cool, Steve. Local dealers have LL Beans dipping as low as $27k, but you're on the other border. They may be harder to find in your sunny climate.
-juice
I too have owned Honda's and Toyota's almost exclusively and find Toyota's the best, followed by Honda. Subaru - way down the list (seems to be treated as a second class citizen).
With that said, we really love the car. It handles well in the mountains and performance is adequete (at least with the 5spd). I think it's a great value. I'm not familiar with the LL Bean edition.
For what it's worth we bought our car in Irvine. If I can help in any way let me know.
breckco
-juice
I think someone else here mentioned that the best way to maintain a car is to keep a sharp eye on all the fluid levels, listen for irregular noises, have regular fluid changes (oil, transmission, coolant). I will add too the caution to limit the car's exposure to service in general.
Although having regular service performed, and limiting trips to the service department may seem contradictory, the key lies in buying a quality car in the first place. It seems that Subarus generally meet this requirement.
As for purchase, I think I'll stay in the San Diego area unless a really GOOD deal can be had in Irvine. Any particular reason you purchased there?
Just my two bits.
Patti
Regarding service. Yes I agree human error is a fact of life and I have no problem with that. When I suggested the fix to the technician and it worked he felt really bad. I ended up trying to make him feel better. What's unacceptable is being deceived. My oil was not low or dirty. My car has 11,500 miles on it and has had the oil changed 5 times. You have to wonder how many people who do not know better pay for uneccessary service. Your right - do what you can to keep any car out of the service deparment. This is a shame. A friend of mine is looking for a car and asks my opinion. She's considering an Outback. I had to tell her the car is fantastic and a great value but watch the service.
I'm done ranting....
Live Happy,
breckco
Any how, just my 2 cents, but it's more effective to formally complain than to vent (though that's OK too).
-juice
This leads me to problem 2. There has been a slight but obvious shimmy in the steering wheel for large parts of this car's life. Its a complicated story because we had it in and out of the dealer before they finally fixed it. Then it started again even before we got the 3rd tire. I've been told that it can't be an alignment issue since the car is now tracking straight. But what could create this sort of shimmy? I'm assuming that balancing the tires isn't that complicated and shouldn't be an issue. This car has been hypersensitive to both alignment issues (corrected twice) and now this damn vibrating steering wheel. One person suggested that a rim may have gotten bent? Any information or thoughts out there. When our car isn't shaking we love it!
I also added Infinity Cappa speakers front and rear, about the same price as Subaru premium speakers but much better, I added the subaru tweeter kit as well as the subaru sub amp.
I chose the subaru subamp primarly because it was designed to be mounted under the passenger seat, therefore it did not take up any room in the car, I have been pleasantly surprised by the sound of such a small subwoofer, if space is not a concern for you I am sure you could find a powered subwoofer in the aftermarket for less money than Subaru,s, I also managed to find mine at a good price which always helps.
Cheers Pat.
- I have a 2000 OB and am looking at a possible replacement with a 2002 model. Anyone has any info on the 2002?
- How much more gas does the H6 takes over the H4 in city driving?
- My OB tends to oversteer in snow when the traction transfers from front to rear. Does the VDC takes care of that or does it make driving in snow worse, as I have read somewhere?
TIA!
Pat.
Do you have RE92s? I've heard a pretty wide range of treadwear. Lots of folks can't wait to get rid of them, actually.
My OE Bridgestone Desert Duelers lasted 27k miles, IIRC, not great but not awful either.
When you replace your tires, make sure to check the treadwear rating on it. It'll have a label like "240AB". The number is the treadwear life expectancy, the first letter is the wet traction rating (AA, A, B, or C), and the next letter is the heat resistance rating (A, B, or C).
So look for a high number and an A rating for traction and temperature. I replaced my 180BB Deulers with 460AA Nitto NT460s, though they're also on a bigger rim, and of a different size. They are better in every way except in snow.
-juice
I live in Mammoth and have had 2 Legacys prior to the 01 I am ready to pick up at Irvine subaru. (llbean). The first one (an86)had 135000 miles before I sold it to someone in town in 92. It is still in town (with a few dents) but running o. . Then a 92 Brighten which I gave to my son in SCal with 110000 miles. He drives it as a salesman in LA traffic and still runs strong.
We laugh when we see all the monster Ford junk drive up in the winter (half of them don't have 4WD).
It's not the fattest car in the world, but they run forever with great gas mileage. You will not be sorry. It's the car of choice in Mammoth
BOW, I was a little cincerned about the Stones re the recent news, but after seeing the post from Patti (a Subaru rep), and never hearing anything bad on this site about them I am not worried.
Good Luck
My question to you is why? I have owned and loved Hondas for years before buying my 01 GT wagon,I have only owned this car for two months but it is superior to the 93 Accord wagon that it has replaced, I never ever believed that I would hear myself say that.
If you had said you wanted to replace the subaru with an accord I could see that but a Civic, I have a 2001 civic as a loaner at the minute and I would take my 93 Accord wagon over it anyday, it is a pretty basic little car and pretty noisy on the highway this car only has 3,000 miles on it,I would hate to see what it will be like a couple of years from now with a lot more miles on it.
Cheers Pat.
mammothsun, thanks for the note. I must admit I have ignored Subarus for many years, noting only the occasional acquaintance or coworker driving them, until wanting a little AWD wagon myself and discovering the make. Your notes, and the overwhelming tone of this message board (all threads) testify to the longevity of these neat little cars. And now you are headed to Irvine for your Bean, endorsing breckco's recommendation. Makes me consider giving them a call.
steve
Internet mgr is Desiree. They have their inventory on the net (you probably know that)
irvinesubaru.com
Let me know how you do .
email is jtc1@qnet.com
Now I have, their site looks good and from the volume they claim, perhaps I can arrange a deal.
Thanks!
Steve
Has anyone driven their Outback on the rough (4WD) roads of Utah, around Canyonlands? I have heard that a high clearance 4WD is required, so I have wondered if my 2000 Outback could take it. I can image that the wheel clearance is a concern, but the (relatively) soft, urbanized suspension could be trouble too.
Thoughts? Comments? Experiences?
Thanks,
Chris
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Have you been before? I'd avoid boulder-hopping trails, but milder ones should be OK. You could get taller springs from iSR and higher profile tires to gain ground clearance, if you wanted, but your ride would deteriorate.
-juice
Thoughts? Comments? Experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
You could probably splice into the taillight, but you'd need a shop manual for that (or a lot of trial and error).
-juice
1) The approach and departure angles are a little wimpy to do anything serious.
1a) No real skid plates. You can get a rear diff protector but there is not much up front
2) No low range in US specs. If you do get stuck a little you cannot crawl out.
3) Winch mounting hardware would have to be custom made. You can stick to light trails without one if you are careful and travel with others that have tow ropes BUT I would not go off-road solo without it.
Still, the AWD is fun on light trails. I have taken it "off-road" but only when I have been with friends that were in more serious SUVs. I never had to get pulled out of anything. Then again I try not to get over my head and kill my wifes car. I can only do this stuff when she is not around.
I have a question and I hope it doesn't sound stupid. I've driven other people's cars, and occasionally (like in really cheaply made cars) I notice that when I'm turning the steering wheel the edge doesn't seem to stay at the same distance from the center while it's rotating. Perhaps they are bent slightly, or perhaps mounted off-center, but it certainly looks weird to me, and I wouldn't think it's intentional. Our Nissan Sentra's wheel seems absolutely circular and perfect in this regard. But recently I noticed this oddity about my Dad's Volvo, which is not a poorly made car, or at least it shouldn't be for the amount they charge!
OK, so now we've had this wonderful new Outback Limited station wagon for a few weeks, and I notice the same thing about it! And this is certainly not a cheaply made car; everything about it is finished beautifully, and we love it. Am I imagining this? The edge really does seem to move about 3/4 of an inch during a rotation. Is it a defect? Is it intentional design, trying to get a larger opening in the wheel's middle so I can see the instruments? Is it a result of the aesthetic design of the steering wheel and airbag? The mechanical design of the tilting feature? Please, somebody give me some justification for this, or tell me I'm crazy, or tell me I should go to the dealer to have it looked at.
Thanks in advance!
Steve
HTH, Theo