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INVOICE MSRP
BASE $30,720 $33,760
Prem Pack 3,005 3,300
Xenon 730 800
Paint 430 475
Glass 320 350
Delivery 695 695
What premium over invoice? If local dealers won't negotiate can I order out-of-state and still have it delivered to my home town? Has anyone used out-of-state dealers? Any downside? Thanks
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I am thinking about using the expat program (TDS) from Volvo for a new S40 since I am currently living in Denmark and will be returning to the US within a year. So, here are a couple of questions...
Can I extend the car stay in Europe past 6 months, say on a month to month basis after the first 6 months?
Also, is there any negotiation room in the Expat price, say for options or accessories?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Any info would be much appreciated!
I also negotiated with another salesman from a different dealer and when I asked him how much I would save off the price of the same car if I used European Delivery, he hesitated for a second then said I save $3000. I wished him a good day and left.
Delivery in Munich went off flawlessly and I recommend it to anyone especially if you intend to vacation in Europe. I didn't use my car on the vacation because I was reluctant to drive it around the French Riviera which was our destination. One look at their driving practices convinced me I'd made the right decision. Also, I needed the car back in the US as soon as possible
The dealer I bought from mentioned nothing about tariffs or any other charges.
I understand the details of the OSD program. It sounds good.
My questions are:
1) Is the OSD price negotiable?
2) I heard the price is reduced by 8% off Retail -- is that correct?
3) Can you lease an OSD car?
4) Will dealers attempt to take additional profit during the process of buying an OSD car by inserting fees, dealer installed parts, etc?
5) What "hidden costs" are there? Docking fees? Local taxes? Anything else?
6) this one's for fun -- what did any of you OSDers pay in total gax prices on one of your two week trips? :-)
Thanks in advance!
A flat is paid to the Dealer.
Thanks-
K.
Sometimes Volvo might toss in something extra if they have prebuilt OSD vehicles ready to go.
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Hmm - that's interesting. I know that Volvo requires that you drop off a clean car when doing Euro delivery so they can wrap it in plastic. Perhaps the miles were put on here in the US?
I don't know where you got this info. Cars in Europe are way more expensive than in US. It varies from brand to brand. There may be appearance of lower price just because engine trims (they sell small 4 cylinders there, anything bigger is uncommon) and equipment standard in US is optional. I cannot speak for all Europe, but I checked my home country and e.g. Volvo S40 2.4i ($25K-30) was close to $40K for similar config. Same with VW, same with Saab. BMW and MB had smaller difference, generally for higher models, the difference (in percent) was smaller.
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BMWs are discounted 7% of the base price(not options), but include insurance; Saab 9-3 Arc Convertibles are discounted over 11% (including options)plus $2000 travel reimbursement; insurance is purchased separately. Advantage-Saab.
BMW meets you at their gate and walks you into their Delivery Center. Saab meets you at the train station, ferry terminal or airport in Gothenburg, chaeuffurs you to Romman Inn, pays for a 3 course dinner, pays for your room and chaeuffurs you to their Delivery Center in the morning. Saab's Delivery Center has to be very terrible not to be Advantage-Saab.
BMW's sticker is negotiable. Saab's is a factory program run by their North American Distributor. Advantage-BMW.
After we return I will add to this concerning delivery experience(BMW's is excellent), car condition(BMW was detailed perfectly and had a full tank of gas and 1.6 miles on the odometer, 1.9 on the trip odometer), drop off experience(Harms in London was seamless) and later delivery time(BMW arrived in Paducah, Ky 40 days after drop off) and car condition(again detailed perfectly and with a full tank of gas).
I would not trade my BMW for anything today. I hope the Saab experience continues to better BMW's. The only problem so far is GM's Employee Pricing Program. There is very little difference with list prices now and resale will be impacted forever. This is the 4th time I've been GMed.
Did you do the deal in Lexington? Blackhorse?
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Quantrell Cadillac, Volvo, Hummer has had the Saab franchise for about a year. Ours is there first ED sale. Our saleslady actually works Volvos, but handles all of their EDs. She said Saab was much better to work with than Volvo.
I'm hoping Swedish and Danish beaches with a Saab Convertible are just as nice as Switzerland with a BMW.
My family always bought their Caddys from Quantrell.. I grew up a stone's throw from there....
Danish beaches.. hhmmmm....
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Skagen sounds like the Danish Key West. Our only concern is sleeping with 20 hours or more of daylight.
If I'm looking.. it's good
If I'm participating... It's not so good... :surprise:
I find drinking heavily helps me fall asleep... no matter what it looks like outside..
Sounds like a great time... and getting a new droptop won't hurt, either...
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Delivery experience. Saab provides transportation to the delivery center which is a Saab Dealer in Trollhattan. The car is under cover in a large garage area. We forgot to look at the Saab store for individual items. Saab provided a very good European Road Atlas and gave us a Saab key ring. Time in and out was less than an hour. Draw with BMW.
Car condition at delivery. Car was detailed perfectly, but only had 3/4 tank of gas and had 1.3 miles on the trip odometer. Advantage BMW
I expect the car to be delivered in excellent condition in 6-8 weeks. Saab's overall experience is better than BMW's, but the difference is not enough to determine which car to purchase. Also, restaurants we found in Sweden, Norway and Denmark were better than the restaurants we found in Germany, Switzerland, France, Ireland and England 3 years ago.
Does this mean that I can do better than the 7%?
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We pick up our Saab 9-3 Convertible this evening, 2 weeks ahead of schedule.
My understanding is the dealer gets a couple hundred dollars for processing the order and prepping the vehicle in the states. If the dealer were getting 5% per vehicle, they'd make more money doing Euro deliveries than selling from inventory.
The vehicle will most likely cost you less money buying off the lot with the various incentives. The Euro Delivery bonus is the trip and a decent price on the car.
Go to www.flyvolvo.com and poke around. You'll see pricing there.
I have exactly the same question. Anyone know if the ED discount for Mercedes applies in addition to the price you can negotiate the dealer down to, or is it strictly from the MSRP, no more lower price? Looking at a 2006 CLK350.
Thanks in advance.
I'd like to get either a diesel Jetta or a diesel Passat. Unfortunately, there are no diesel Jettas in stock in the US now -- perhaps given to the rising gas prices after Katrina. And VW has oddly decided not to sell the new Passat with a diesel engine at least until 2007 (according to my local dealer) :confuse:
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I think VW isn't offering the diesel Passat until 2007 because of the impending implementation of low sulphur diesel in the US.
Note that there are a few differences on what options you can get. We bought through Don Beyer Volvo in Alexandria, VA. They had cars in inventory, but did not have any which had the options we wanted. With ED, we could order exactly what we wanted. We wanted automatic leveling (which is great feature), and very few Volvos wagons in the US have that, and you could not order one for US delivery with it. It would have had to have been a dealer install, which we were not keen of the dealer doing it, and there would have been allot of labor added to the cost (which is not reflected below) Another issue was we wanted a trailer hitch installed, but they would not install on ED, so we had to have dealer install it. We were OK with that since it was just a trailer hitch.
Below is a breakdown of what we ordered, with a total savings on just the cost of the car being $3,781, plus we had to pay a little extra for the Bremerhaven drop off and ferry from Sweden. Then we also had a total savings from Volvo of $5,727 for the trip.
As soon as the new 2006 C70 is availabe for ED, I will buy it.....
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2004 Volvo V70
(note that the first price is the Price US, which is what we would have paid if purchased through a dealer, the second is what we actually paid through Volvo TDS).
Item Price US Price TDS Remarks
Base Price 28460 26750
Destination Fee 685 Included
Metallic Paint 450 Included
Premium Package 2995 2995
Mimas 16” Wheels 500 500
Automatic Transmission 1000 Included
Leveling System 495 495 Would be much more on US version
12 Volt Cargo Area 25 25
Touch Up Paint 5 5
Front Fog Lights 179 225
Mud Flaps Front 24 70
Mud Flaps Rear 35 70
Floor Mats Rubber 139 55
Cargo Mat Reversible 80 80
CD Changer 612 695
Spoiler Rear 309 350
Protection Net Steel 265 200
Load Carrier Square 138 100
Security Film Side Windows 300 300
SUBTOTAL $ 36,696 $ 32,915
Shipping from Frankfurt N/A $220 Free if shipped from Bremerhaven
Ferry from Sweden to Germany N/A $300.00
Savings – Paid for by Volvo
2 Round Trip Tickets - SAS N/A 3000 Upgrade to Bus if Prem Exec
1 Night Radisson Hotel N/A 145
Limo from Airport to Factory N/A 15
Lunch for 2 at Factory N/A 20
15 days European Insurance N/A 200
Shipping of car to Baltimore N/A 1500
Cell Phone for 7 Days N/A 35
Customs Duty N/A 812.70
Total 5727
We intend to do a third ED, but unless you want to vacation in Europe, it really is not worth the extra hassle. It takes approximately 6 months from initial order till final US delivery.
The real savings is if you are planning a European vacation. You are driving your car instead of renting, you are on your schedule and you see and do what you want to see and do.
Another thing to keep in mind, buying a car on ED is a 6 month process;shop, order the car 3 months before delivery, pay for the car 1 month before delivery, vacation for 1-2 weeks and delivery at home 6 weeks after drop off in Europe. Also, if financing or leasing you may make 2 payments before your car arrives here.
We did a ED on a 2005 Saab 9-3 Convertible last summer and on a 2002 BMW 530i and we believe if you are planning to buy a European car and plan to vacation in Europe, combining the two is the only way to go.
I am returning to Germany in the fall for another three months, and I am trying to figure out the best deal for transportation again. Renting a car is a possibility, of course, and I have also thought about another factory delivery and selling the new Mercedes before I leave the U.S. I am considering Mercedes again, but I have also thought about BMW and Porsche from the factory. I know Volvo has a European delivery program, but dealing with Sweden seems like quite a hassle for someone who is going to be in Germany. Besides, I had a Volvo some years ago, and it was, quite frankly, a pretty lousy car with a lot of cheap plastic parts that did not perform very well.
Does anyone have any advice about how to determine the best deal for getting three months of cost-effective transportation in Germany next fall (Sept., Oct., Nov.)?
Check with Mathias ......
Terry.
Euro delivery can make sense for you, but the exchange rate is not your friend at the moment. IF you want a Mercedes [Porsche, BMW] anyway, then go for it, but by the time you add the friction costs of reselling, paying sales tax at home et cetera, I think you might as well rent a small car... sticks are cheaper :-)
Of course, buying an older jalopy is an excellent exercise for your German abilities... I suspect that even there, the car people have a language all their own. You know "needs fixed... runs good... fresh V8... does have rust" -- that sort of thing.
Now if my old man will finally go and buy an A4 this fall, you're welcome to his '95 Ford Mondeo wagon with automatic for a pittance, I'm sure...
Viel Glueck,
-Mathias