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  • goralgoral Member Posts: 149
    Yep, it's clean... Not quite $6K off MSRP (just under $5K), but still a decent deal (at least it seems to be).
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ........ **And NO! You're not a hybrid** ..l..o..l...

     

                  Thanks for the update (I love updates) .. $7,200.? .. thats pretty darn good.! ... $6,900.? next time I will try harder .................. :)

     

                                 Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... Your welcome ...

     

                         Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Hi Terry and Mathias,

     What do you guys think would be a fair trade-in value for this one? Also private party selling price?

      Raleigh, NC

    2004 Ford Explorer XLS 4x4

    13,400 miles

    4.0L V6

    Aspen green (dark) / medium parchment (tan)

    Really is in excellent condition, as new interior and exterior no deductions at all, slight tire and break wear consistent with mileage plenty remaining; all maintenance done, 3k mile oil changes with full synthetic

     Thanks in advance!

     

             ========================

     

              Raleigh, great little town, I have friends that have their boat at Falls Lake ...

     

               04 Exploder XLS (no help) 4x4, color is ho-hum but the season is right, miles are kinda maybe okay and you say it's nice and it's serviced ... no paint no glue, if so, then trade side, in and around the super tall $13's, low $14's, might maybe "could" find a dealer that will stagger towards the $15 figure, thats a big maybe ..... the XLS and the miles hold it back and the 4x4 saves it..

     

                  Let me know or I will have my friends drive their boat trailer all over your lawn .....

     

                                   Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... You haven't bought a vehicle yet.? gheez .... what.? are you waiting for your Social Security check..?

     

                 $24,500 ...? these are kinda all over the place right now, and this one has 1200 miles .. some are seeing $21, some are seeing $23 .. so throw the dice at the auction and come home with -0- ... maybe the guy will do $23,5/$23,9..?

     

                                  Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .. **I am, however, more handsome than Terry** ...

     

               Hmm, how much do you charge to haunt a house during Halloween ..?

     

                                  Terry ;)
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Member Posts: 1,757
    Great come back ... (g)
  • shawnkshawnk Member Posts: 5
    Hey Terry, nice comeback....could you also give me some advice on my original question regarding the Tribute.

     

    Thanks a million,

     

    Shawn
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
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  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    Trying to Sell: Need Trade in and Private Party Price

     

    2002 Honda CR-V

    EX Trim

    Auto Transmission

    All-Wheel Drive

    46000 Miles

    Location: Dallas, Texas 75247

       

    Exterior: Burgandy

    Interior: Tan

       

    6 Disc CD + Cassette

    Sunroof

    Privacy Glass

    Cloth Seats

    Alloys Wheels including full size spare

       

    1 - Owner

    Dealer Maintained - Have All Records

       

    No Exterior dings or scratches.

    Interior very clean, doesn't smell, no stains, no scuffs

       

    Tires replaced at 35,000 miles

       

    -----------------------------------

       

     

    Looking to buy, this week! What is the right price. Looks like a deal to me.

     

    VIN: 3GKEC16Z73G314757

    2003 GMC Yukon XL

    SLT Trim Package

    32500 Miles

    Dallas, Texas

    Asking Price: $24,900

     

    2 WHEEL DRIVE

    VORTEC 5.3L V8 ENGINE

    4-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

    WHITE WITH NEUTRAL LEATHER INTERIOR

    REMAINING FACTORY WARRANTY IN EFFECT

    REAR SEAT ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM

    QUAD BUCKET SEATING

    3RD ROW SEATING

    TRI-CLIMATE CONTROL (DRIVER/PASSENGER/REAR)

    POWER WINDOWS

    POWER DOOR LOCKS

    KEYLESS ENTRY WITH 1 REMOTE

    HEATED OUTSIDE REARVIEW MIRRORS

    LIGHT SENSITIVE INSIDE REARVIEW MIRROR WITH OUTSIDE TEMP AND COMPASS

    DUAL POWER AND HEATED SEATS

    MEMORY DRIVER'S SIDE SEAT

    HOMELINK

    ONSTAR

    XM SATELLITE

    AM/FM/CD WITH STEERING WHEEL CONTROLS

    9-SPEAKER BOSE SYSTEM

    REAR AUDIO SYSTEM

    TILT STEERING

    CRUISE CONTROL

    FOG LAMPS

    FRONT TOW HOOKS

    ROOF RACK

    RUNNING BOARDS

    TOWING PACKAGE WITH RECEIVER HITCH

    TRACTION CONTROL

    ADJUSTABLE ACCELERATOR PEDALS

    3:73 REAR END WITH LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL

    POLISHED ALUMINUM WHEELS

    TIRES THAT HAVE APPROX 30% TREAD LIFE REMAINING.

     

    THE PAINT IS EXCELLENT, NO DENTS OR DINGS IN THE BODY. THERE ARE A FEW VERY MINOR SCRATCHES THAT HAVE BEEN TOUCHED UP. THE TAN LEATHER INTERIOR IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, SHOWING ONLY NORMAL WEAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH AGE AND MILEAGE OF VEHICLE.

     

    THERE ARE NO KNOWN MECHANICAL PROBLEMS OR OTHER DEFECTS WITH THIS YUKON. CARFAX REPORTS IT TO BE A 1 OWNER VEHICLE WITH NO ACCIDENT HISTORY.

     
  • goralgoral Member Posts: 149
    Nope - not yet :) You, of all people, should know that there's not too much action going on at the auctions around holidays. Heck, the Greater Chicago right before new year was canceled due to low interest and day before yesterday we had a "little" snow fall....
  • qwallsqwalls Member Posts: 406
    Hey Terry. I'm going to look at this one tomorrow morning (Saturday), and it's local! I know the miles are high, but the service is current, and some of the problem areas for these cars (radiator, CV boots, axles, etc) have already been taken care of. Owner is an atty who has owned it the last 60k miles. He has all service records since it was new. He said it is very clean except for a scuff on the rear bumper.

    Edmunds says $5700 and KBB said $6200 for private party value.

     

    Finally a local one. Just found it tonight, so I haven't had a chance to see it yet. http://tinyurl.com/4rdgl

      

    '94 Acura Legend GS

    139k miles

    Columbus, OH

    4 dr

    white/tan asking price $6750.

    If it's clean, I'd be willing to go $6k. These are pretty hard to find around here..especially without rust! And he has someone else coming to look at it Sunday if I don't buy it. That's why I made the appointment for Saturday.

      

    As always, thanks.

      

    Q
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    just because I like shopping, not because I'll actually buy [ ;) ], what are the real numbers on something like this?

     

    2001 Audi A6 Quattro

    Silver,

    29,694 Miles 4 Dr Sedan AWD, 2.7 liter

    6 Cyl., Turbocharged, Automatic

     

    Internet Special

    TURBO CHARGED 6 CYL W/QUATTRO AWD, Leather, Moonroof, CD Player, Heated Seats, Memory Seats, Sunshades in rear doors, ESP, this is a clean ONE OWNER A6 2.7T with a CLEAN CARFAX HISTORY!

     

    Its listed at $21,900 at a Lexus dealer.

     

    As alway, thanks, Terry. I might buy one of these days, I swear. ;)

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  • anotherwagonanotherwagon Member Posts: 301
    General question for discussion - I know the all the different book values vary in range and some are inflated for trade values. This makes consumers think the car is worth more than it is and then the dealers price in lower and...the rest is history.

     

    My question is this - why would a company/dealership list a link to a site like kbb, let the consumer get a value, and then have the expectation that the trade should bring in $5000 more than they will really get. By having the link directly on the site, it implies that that is the source data for the trade value.

     

    Isn't that setting themselves up? I don't get it from a business perspective. "But the printout from the link on your site says $xx" why are you only offering me "$" ?
  • danf1danf1 Member Posts: 897
    I think that it is safe to assume that if a customer is visiting a dealers website and intend on trading a vehicle, that they will also search for trade values. By placing a link on a dealer's own page it shows prospective buyers that the dealer is not hiding from the information that is available to the general public.

     

    In many cases though the values are usually high, they are still usually lower than what people feel their cars are worth based upon sentimental value alone, which makes this the first step in putting peoples expectations in the right range.

     

    Any good salesperson can explain why trade values differ just by walking around your car with you for a few minutes.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    << Any good salesperson can explain why trade values differ just by walking around your car with you for a few minutes. >>

     

    I've been offered trade in amounts in the past that were significantly lower than KBB. Even if the dealer rated my car in "fair to poor" condition, they were way off, after I had rated it somewhere around "good" condition. That was not a good experience for me and I left pissed off.

     

    Speaking from a consumer's view point, if a dealer advertises KBB either in their show room window or on their website, they should be close to the trade in values listed.
  • danf1danf1 Member Posts: 897
    Not every circumstance is the same but a few examples of why these numbers differ: KBB doesn't know that your car needs tires, has a chip in the windshield, a scratch on the bumper etc.....

     

    KBB is a guide. It will provide a rough idea of what your car is worth, but it does not provide gospel. To the best of my knowledge only one book does that, and that one doesn't provide car values.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,535
    as danf1 pointed out.. the idea is to get you in the showroom.. Good salespeople are trained to overcome objections..

     

    You thinking your car is worth more, just makes you more likely to want to trade.. You left, but most people will buy, once they take that first step..

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  • anotherwagonanotherwagon Member Posts: 301
    Even with the walk around tour - don't see the $7000 difference. I'm still on the side that it causes more grief than goodwill once you are in there and it is that much lower....
  • danf1danf1 Member Posts: 897
    $7,000 seems like a bit of a stretch to have to explain. Maybe that particular dealer really didn't want your car.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    I'm with you. In my example, the estimate was WAY off, not even close. I don't recall the exact figures, definately less than $7K, but probably in the $2K-$3K range and the vehicle was worth about $10K.

     

    It is a good sales tactic though as kyfdx pointed out. It just doesn't work with most educated consumers.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    << KBB doesn't know that your car needs tires, has a chip in the windshield, a scratch on the bumper etc.....>>

     

    Shouldn't all that be taken in to account when the vehicle's condition is rated? I just rated my vehicle ('99 Honda CRV with 102K miles), excellent is $5925, good is $5375, fair is $4400. I went through their "rate it" option and it came up in "good" condition because of the tires, which is what I expected, so I think I knew what to expect.

     

    Even a rough guide I could have put up with, but in my experience, they weren't even close.
  • sleighburbansleighburban Member Posts: 2
    Hi & thanks ahead for you advice/help.

    Want to get a fair understanding of what to expect on a trade in for a new Lexus. We are in Austin, TX.

    2000/bmw/740il

    mileage: 67,500

    white on tan

    Options: heated seats, xeon lights, sun shades, sun roof, seat massager, rain sensors, headlight washers, navigation - (not sport package)

    One small scratch on front left bumper otherwise excellent shape.

    all records of all scheduled maintenance

    tires <6mths brakes <6mths
  • shawnkshawnk Member Posts: 5
    Hi Terry, please help us determine a fair trade in value for our 2001 black Mazda Tribute DX V6 3.0. Saline, MI 48176. 4dr, automatic, TWO wheel drive, 66,000 miles, black ext, grey int, roof rack and towing pckg, good condition with only a couple minor door dings and 84/100k extended maintenance plan.

      

    We would really appreciate your help.

      

    Thanks,

      

    ShawnK
  • danf1danf1 Member Posts: 897
    It should be but, most people go straight to excellent condition regardless of what the car is actually like. That is if they don't bring in a retail quote. Remember, people see what they want to see.
  • driftracerdriftracer Member Posts: 2,448
    Even though it's a Honda product, it's over 100k miles, so the book values are pretty much worthless, given that you can't get financing on it, you can't put an extended warranty on it, etc - the dealer would be looking for a cash buyer, while taking a chance on a 100k miled vehicle. The smart move on that would be to wholesale it, and again, the book is thrown out when the wholesaler shows up...
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    LOL, I was only using that vehicle as an example to show the different KBB dollar values based on condition.
  • benderofbowsbenderofbows Member Posts: 542
    Well Terry,

     

    I'm sure this comes as no suprise to this forum but you were right on the money! A dealer I am corresponding with online offered an "actual cash value" of $14,500 to $15,100 (sight unseen).

     

    Those trade-in values kind of hurt my feelings (lol) since I bought it brand new (ouch), so I'd like to try to sell it privately... KBB private party value is $19,450 and Edmunds is $18,200, so if I listed $18,999 O.B.O. in a nice ad, would $18,200 be an unreasonable minimum price? Do you think that is being realistic? Thanks!
  • dbauerdbauer Member Posts: 416
    dont forget...its a V6. we had one for 6 months once....

     

    ...once.

     

    we also appraised one last week with 120% maintenance...this thing was MINT!

     

    it brought $8800.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I don't know the prices on these, but (if you're not afraid of Audis), that's a He*ll of a car for the $$. The low low miles would tempt me to get over my Audi-phobia. Does it have the Bose? Nice sounding stereo in an Audi......
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Hi & thanks ahead for you advice/help.

    Want to get a fair understanding of what to expect on a trade in for a new Lexus. We are in Austin, TX.

    2000/bmw/740il

    mileage: 67,500

    white on tan

    Options: heated seats, xenon lights, sun shades, sun roof, seat massage, rain sensors, headlight washers, navigation - (not sport package)

    One small scratch on front left bumper otherwise excellent shape.

    all records of all scheduled maintenance

    tires <6mths brakes <6mths ================================

     

                         Another Austin City limits, I guess there's more than 30 or 40 of you guys ..l.o.l...

     

                           We have a 00 740iL, good color anywhere, miles are okay, we have the cold pack, blinders, shades, Nav, all the basic stuff with new rubber and stoppers ...

     

                        If ~ we have no K-mart collisions, no paint by numbers, no soccer mom interior, no I spilled a gallon of coffee in the console, it looks/feels and drives like 25k .. then trade side, in and around the tall $18's low $19's, might "maybe" get a dealer to wander over towards the tall $19's if this dude is puurfect, glows in the dark and it needs -0- ..... Me personally, this is a great vehicle for Retail Rd - Fantastic detail, glorious 5/6 liner Ad in the Austin paper, service records stuck to the wipers, $24,900 *asking* and kick it loose for the the first $23,0/$24,0 ..... remember it has a "big" book, not a big demand ...

     

                             Good luck - and let me know.!

     

                                          

     

                                              Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... What are you guys up to now ...?

     

                  Big letters yesterday, tiny words today, new graphics -- I'm going blind here.!

     

                                 Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... You have to remember, Kbb is just a info source that can only give someone a "ballpark" a zipcode, an idea of what the vehicle "might" be worth, dealers have no control on what they print ..

     

                 Of course, every consumer thinks their vehicle is in "excellent" shape, when most barely break average and most, less than that .. plus there is things like geographic area, times of the year, color, miles, options, "real deal" condition and - demand .. it's kinda like those Home Makeovers you see on TV, your tan and purple couch and your 37 pictures of your last 3 dogs probably won't attract alot of buyers, even though you think you live in "hog heaven" ...

     

                        5/6 weeks ago, dealers were still selling converts and 4x4's were only doing "about" average money in the Midwest and the NE area, throw some ice and snow on the ground and all of a sudden - Bang! they're doing $700/$900+ more, because of the demand and now Converts (foreign or domestic are) are sucking their thumbs and dealers will cut one loose for a song and a prayer ... if dealers only had a crystal ball ..l.o.l....

     

                Perfect condition example: I just had a referred customer stop by and he wants to trade his 02 Acura RL, 44k, med gray, Nav, drivers seat kinda worn, needs rubber and stoppers, 1 wheel has kissed every curb in Florida, he's used his trunk lid as a desktop for his briefcase and it will need to be painted and his golf clubs have been dragged over the bumper about 50 times and we have some love bug damage on the hood .... he's been online (has the copies) Kbb, Nada, Edmunds, etc and based on all of "his" research it's worth $21,000 because it's in EXCELLENT shape - and he won't take a dime less because he "knows" what it's worth ... Me, I'm thinkin $18,000 would flat kill it dead and put me in the "far side", and $20,0 if it was clean to the bone and it needed -0- ....

     

               If I wanted this vehicle (which I don't) I would have to spend $350 on tires, $350 on paint, $200 on stoppers, $150 for a new rim, $150 in service, $125 in a detail and I'm sure another $200 will pop-up somewhere ... once done, then I have to "explain away" the vehicle on the front line and I don't like rebuilding and telling stories ..... $21,000..? it's a looong drive between Miami and Gainsville, I wish him luck with his KBB, AAA, CIA, FBI, KFC and lets not forget the AFL-CIO ................. ;^}

     

    PS: If you think some of the info sources might be a little off on cars, it would just stun folks on how far they're off the numbers on boats - some by 30/40% .................. Yikes.!

     

                                  Terry.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    "Of course, every consumer thinks their vehicle is in 'excellent' shape"

     

    I must have looked over at least 100 cars in the last 4 years or so... I can't remember a single one that was not in 'excellent' condition.

     

    -Mathias
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I think my post may have been drowned out, so I'll give it another shot. My wife and I are going out car surfing this morning, as a matter of fact, and this is one on the list to go check out:

     

    2001 Audi A6 Quattro

    Silver,

    29,694 Miles 4 Dr Sedan AWD, 2.7 liter

    6 Cyl., Turbocharged, Automatic

      

    Internet Special

    TURBO CHARGED 6 CYL W/QUATTRO AWD, Leather, Moonroof, CD Player, Heated Seats, Memory Seats, Sunshades in rear doors, ESP, this is a clean ONE OWNER A6 2.7T with a CLEAN CARFAX HISTORY!

      

    Its listed at $21,900 at a Lexus dealer.

      

    As alway, thanks, Terry. I might buy one of these days, I swear. ;)

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  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ..... Good morning, what are you doing up so early.? .. we usually don't see your posts til' after you get up, like noonish ..l.o.l....

     

                    01 30k A6 Quattro 2.7 Sea-Dan .. slider, cold pack, forget me seats, shades, ESP, tunes, clean Carsmack ... if if if ~ no paintwork, no Swiss Army knife seats, service from yesterday, deep sneakers ... if so, then the dealer probably has the tall $17's low $18's in it, add some service and a warranty and it probably hits the table at around the low/mid $19's .... sounds like a nice driver, $21ish and some change, try $20,500 and work your way up .................. :)

     

                                  Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... Oooh, great picture ... looks like one of those old war movies with the camouflaged Destroyer in the background for D-Day ..l.o.l...

     

              This one you going to have to look/feel and touch real close -- who would print a picture like that..?

     

                              Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ..... Are you sure you don't live close to Aka....?

     

                                     Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... Me personally , I would start at $18,490 *asking* and be lookin' for $17/$17,5/$17,9 ...... it's a XLS, not a XJ8 .....

     

                                      Terry.
  • shawnkshawnk Member Posts: 5
    Hi Terry, please help us determine a fair trade in value for our 2001 black Mazda Tribute DX V6 3.0. Saline, MI 48176. 4dr, automatic, TWO wheel drive, 66,000 miles, black ext, grey int, roof rack and towing pckg, good condition with only a couple minor door dings and 84/100k extended maintenance plan.

       

    We would really appreciate your help.

       

    Thanks,

       

    ShawnK
  • qwallsqwalls Member Posts: 406
    I thought the same thing, but it was actually pretty nice, and it drove a lot better than the 75k mile one I drove a few weeks ago. You can't really tell a lot from pictures anyway. I've seen pictures that looked great, and then the car looks like crap in person...like the 75k mile one a few weeks ago. Interior could use a detail, but the exterior was in good shape except for the scuff on the rear bumper. He just paid it off, and doesn't have the title yet. I ran a carfax on the spot with my Treo 650 (I love technology) and it was clean. I think it's a sign since my carfax expires today...
  • beckyo2beckyo2 Member Posts: 24
    St. Louis, MO

    2004 Toyota Sienna

    LE BW pkg.

    19000

    grey/grey

    power door [1], 3 row air bags, rear audio, alloys, VSC,

     

    just home from the body shop after a full detail.

     

    I hate the way this drives and want to get a Honda without getting hosed.

     

    Can you suggest a private party price and trade in case I get desperate? Also the most effective ad, local paper, online etc.

     

    Thanks, Becky
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...... Saline MI ...? are you close to that very famous male model Mathias in Lansing ..?

     

                  Anywhooo ..... 01 Tribute "DX", auto, color is good for the area, V6, 2WD, 66k - extended warranty means -0- to the dealer, but it can change your life down Retail Rd ..... deep sneakers, service from yesterday, no terrorist attacks, no Bonnie and Clyde interior ... if it looks/drives and handles like a 03 with 25k, then trade side, in and around the low to mid $8's, might find a psycho dealer to drop the tall $8's if it's jam-up and needs -0- .. if it needs stuff, start deducting ...

     

                    Let me know what happens.!

     

                                       Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **just home from the body shop after a full detail** ...

     

                   Do you mean it just had a detail -- or it had a detail after they super glued this thing together after that small $7,800 mishap...?

     

                                   Terry :)
  • shawnkshawnk Member Posts: 5
    Thanks a bunch Terry. Will let you know what happens.

     

    Saline is right next to Ann Arbor where the real football team plays and about an hour from Lansing where the fake green football team plays.

     

    :)

     

    Go BLUE!!
  • dbauerdbauer Member Posts: 416
    you know where i live...lol.

     

    my best friend is the GSM at a lincoln dealer...we even called him for a buy bid on it, and thats all he was willing to do.
  • coatandthaicoatandthai Member Posts: 3
    2000 Merc S430 in San Jose, CA area

    36K mi. black on tan

    Navi/phone/AMG wheels/6CD

    Clean and garaged with good rubber and new brakes

    Creampuff really.
  • svalleysvalley Member Posts: 30
    2003 Honda Accord LX

    Chicagoland area, IL

    14K mi. White outside/ Tan inside

    To be conservative, I give it a GOOD condition.

    I once heard from a car salesman that there is

    no excellent conditionin used car.

     

    KBB trade-in show around $14-15K.

    How close is KBB compare to the real world trade-in?

     

    Thanks in advanced
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    ***..... Are you sure you don't live close to Aka....?***

     

    What'd I do now?? I swear I haven't bought anything recently.......well ok, other than a new computer.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    Agree on everything you stated about KBB Terry, just one more note on this. In the one example I gave about my experience, the dealer was way off, not even close, way off base, etc. It was clear "he just didn't want my trade in". After looking at his used car lot, I could see why, he had a couple other vehicles almost identical to mine. And hopefully, you know me by now that I'm one of the more "reasonable" consumers. If my vehicle needs tires, has some dings, worn interior, etc, I would even think it was in excellent or even good condition.

     

    Thx for the looooong explanation, LOL...
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