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$4-4500 more likely,if the truck cleans up nice.
Car is a $5500-6000 car
He has the recent receipts for the new tires and brake, etc. job. Carfax free report shows 16 records, but he always takes it to the dealer for repairs and other things, such as oil changes.
Do you think its a steal at $5500, and that I could turn around and resell it for small profit?
V8, auto, a/c, sunroof, spoiler, HID's, heated seats
black exterior with beige leather,
72,000 miles,
very good condition, new tires last month, dealer serviced, located in Miami, Florida
Thanks in advance....
I know you'd like to see a depreciation chart, but that is NOT it.
That differential you speak of is the difference between the used retail prices and the used auction prices of the same model year used Accords. It also shows the difference in prices of different model years too. But again, that has nothing to do with the depreciation of any Accord.
There is nothing amazing about Accords in that chart. If you used any other model car the chart would look much the same.
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Year/Make/Model: 2004 BMW 330i
Body Style: 4dr
Engine: 3.0 liter
Driveline: RWD
Mileage: 20,150
Color: Silver/Black leather
Major Options: Sport package, premium package, SMG tranny, heated seats, moon roof
Condition:
Very good condition. No dings. No eating or drinking ever inside car. Snow tires and rubber mats in winter.
Tires - About 10K miles on tires (run snow tires in winter)
Brakes - assume good
Maintenance - beyond requirements--oil changes at 7.5K, everything else according to schedule.
Other: No problems with vehicle.
Let me know if you have any questions--thanks!
Buying accords, tacomas and MINIs used makes no sense. They simply don't depreciate enough.
"a little under 26k" means drive-off price, right? I mean, that's what you paid, including taxes?
Here's what I think is going on:
You bought the hi-end version of a popular car. The lower-end stuff (LX with pwr windows/locks/ac and not a lot else) always depreciates less. "I bought a 3-year-old Accord for $9,800!" if you see what I mean.
You paid a bunch of money in taxes, dealer profit (probably not so much), and registration and DOC fees. That's gone.
You've got the V6, which gets good but not great gas mileage. Gas is at record levels, so the 4cylinders is what everyone wants.
You're getting lowballed on your trade. Give me the details on the car (including color, location, condition, do you smoke? have dogs? ...) and I'll try and figure out a number.
Meanwhile, here's a bunch of non-NAV V6 EX-L cars at auction, sorted by miles:
05/17/07 CHICAGO Lease $18,500 11,320 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
05/17/07 ATLANTA Lease $20,700 11,679 Above GREY 6G A Yes
05/17/07 ATLANTA Lease $17,400 11,921 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
05/24/07 FRDKBURG Lease $19,000 13,179 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
05/08/07 STATESVL Regular $20,300 15,491 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
05/18/07 MANHEIM Regular $19,800 17,285 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
05/01/07 DETROIT Lease $19,800 18,486 Avg RED 6G A Yes
05/16/07 SAN ANTO Regular $19,500 19,640 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $17,200 25,377 Below RED 6G A Yes
BTW, it's somewhat tough to sell $20k used cars privately. Not a lot of buyers out there in that range who can take care of their own financing etc... anybody with-it enough to do that wants a good chunk of change for their trouble, meaning a large discount from new.
Good luck,
-Mathias
EDIT: Forgot to add, the car isn't one year old; in the market, it's two years old. The '08s are around the corner, so it's a low-mileage two-year car. You should have received a good rebate when you bouth it at the end of its cycle, too.
It is your money, of course, & you can waste it as you see fit.
I have no idea what that will do to the resale value (though I think it will hurt it), or if the auction prices will even break those out as a separate model.
Have you driven it? Most people can't stand the SMG.
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We are trying to decide between a new 07 accord ex-l or a new 08 legacy 2.5i limited, both 4 cylinder auto.
We might want to sell the car within 3 years, so resale has become a consideration.
If anyone give us an idea of how the resale of a subaru holds up against an accord, in the washington dc area, that would help a bunch.
As an example, maybe we can compare a 2005 Accord EX-L with 30k miles to a 2006 legacy 2.5i limited with the same mileage, both auto with no additional options?
Also, how much difference would one new model year make for resale with same mileage?
Thanks!
Here's what I learned from it. On average:
1. As used cars get older they acquire more miles.
2. For the same model car, older ones are cheaper.
3. Auction prices are lower than retail prices.
Wow!
I assume you use the word flat as I would use the word horizontal. Whether the angles of the lines for another make and model of car would be different, I don't know. I imagine they could vary due to more than one factor. Price increases or decreases between model years might have something to do with it. Fad styling could also affect it, like with the PT Cruiser or HHR or Beetle. New technology becoming standard equipment or just more widely available on a model could also play into it.
I am not arguing about the rate of depreciation on Accords. They do tend to retain resale value better than most cars of that size. But the chart just does not display the rate of depreciation for any model year of Accord.
If you can buy a new car with a huge discount, like maybe a Sonata, it might depreciate from the sale price at a much lower rate than an Accord would, even though the Accord has a reputation for low average depreciation.
That's the trouble with using averages and MSRPs instead of actual sale prices.
You and I are on the exact same page regarding the SMG. The online sites like kbb don't even have an option for it. I've run the car as both a manual and an automatic through their system. From a straight logic standpoint, you'd think the price with the auto would be closest in terms of initial purchase price (i.e. the cost of the SMG was a similar upcharge to the cost of a Steptronic).
The reason I was asking about it is because I leased the car and it ends in less than 90 days. I really love the car and I've had overall a very good experience with the SMG. I'd rate my satisfaction with the car excluding the tranny at 10/10; satisfaction with SMG at 8/10. I like the way it drives most of the time, but I miss a clutch, and I don't like how it can get confused sometimes in low-speed maneuvers (right turns with a yield are really tricky--you often end up in no-man's-land between gears with the car doing a downshift you didn't want).
I was thinking about keeping the car, but the eventual resale of that SMG is what concerns me. All you see are people slagging the SMG online--and my future buyer is likely to do research and come across those comments. That's when I started looking at my end of lease as my one-time, get out of jail free card. I am really, really worried about long-term reliability of the SMG and about its affect on resale.
So (I'm getting to the point), I went and looked at some cars yesterday that I'm considering for a replacement. I'd like to stay around $25-27K and pay cash, so I won't have a payment. I drove (and liked) the Mazda 6i 5-door, the Mazdaspeed 3, and the Honda Accord EX-V6 6MT (choices are limited to cars with manual transmissions, obviously). I liked the Accord the best (I know--I was surprised too!), and the salesperson was chomping at the bit to get her hands on my Bimmer, so I let her have her used car manager put a number on it. Bear in mind, my lease-end residual is ~$24.5K and my buyout number (I checked before heading out yesterday) was ~$25.3K. Also, Edmunds and KBB both are putting the car at ~$23.5K for a trade. She seemed so interested, I figured it couldn't hurt. She came back with the number: $18.5 :P I laughed and was very pleasant about it with her--I can wait the less than 90 days, so I don't really care--but I also said the number was so far away that there wasn't any point in trying to do the back-and-forth on it (I got the sense she wanted to go back and try for more). I was so surprised, that I came here last night to see what the experts are seeing, especially from auction reports. I wonder if the Honda guy called the two local BMW dealers and they told him, "Stay the hell away from that SMG--it will sit on your lot forever" and so he purposely low-balled me to kind of send a message. I received the message loud and clear--if that's what resale is going to look like on the car, then I am extremely glad I can turn it in and walk away--and that's what I am intending to do.
Sorry this got so long, but given your experience with Bimmers I thought you'd appreciate it.
Everything you say makes excellent sense.
Thanks.
Unfortunately, Manheim does not show this tranny as different from "Auto" or "6", so who knows what these are:
05/03/07 MANHEIM Lease $27,000 22,527 Above JETBLK 6G 6 No
05/22/07 FAAO Lease $24,800 22,987 Above ELECTRIC 6G A Yes
05/24/07 RIVRSIDE Regular $22,500 24,372 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Lease $23,400 27,160 Avg TITANIUM 6G A Yes
05/23/07 MILWAUKE Lease $25,000 27,624 Above TITANSIL 6G A
for what it's worth, the car in question has sensationally low mileage, so it's gotte be worth a bunch.. right? Right?
Here's some data from ADESA; these are billed as "AUTO".
Couldn't find anything in the fine print.
VIN Odometer Color Location Sale Type Sale Date Purchase
Price (USD) View Announcements
WBAEV53494 13,209 M JET BLACK ADESA Dallas Internet 05/24/2007 $26,000 View Announcements
Options: 2WD MN CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PSDP STB AFCH Tilt Computer LTHRCLTH
WBAEV53464 27,731 M BLACK ADESA Washington DC Top Of The Line Sale 04/18/2007 $26,400 View Announcements
Options: Leather 2WD MN CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PSDP HSDP AFCH Tilt WoodTrim CdinDash RearDfrost
WBAEV53444 27,891 M SILVER GRAY ADESA Washington DC Top Of The Line Sale 05/16/2007 $24,000 View Announcements
Options: Vinyl 2WD MN CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PS AFCH Tilt ALMNMINTRM CdinDash RearDfrost
WBAEV53434 29,615 M IMOLA RED ADESA Dallas Consignment Sale 05/03/2007 $24,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather CC PL PST PW ACI AFCH Tilt Computer
WBAEV534X4 30,082 M JET BLACK ADESA Dallas Consignment Sale 05/03/2007 $22,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather MN CC PL PST PW ACI AFCH Tilt Computer WoodTrim
WBAEV53434 37,524 M SILVER GRAY ADESA Phoenix Consignment Sale 05/09/2007 $23,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather 2WD SN CD CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PSDP STB HSDP Tilt WoodTrim RearDfrost
WBAEV53414 39,312 M BLACK ADESA Washington DC Top Of The Line Sale 04/18/2007 $23,400 View Announcements
Options: Leather 2WD MN CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PSDP HSDP AFCH Tilt WoodTrim CdinDash RearDfrost
WBAEV534X4 43,789 M TITANIUM SILVER ADESA Phoenix Consignment Sale 05/09/2007 $21,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather 2WD SN CD CC PL PST PW AB MS AC PS STB HSDP Tilt WoodTrim RearDfrost
WBAEV53434 53,434 M RED ADESA Dallas Consignment Sale 05/24/2007 $18,900
Options: Leather SN CD 5P CC PL PST PW AB AS MS AC PSDP STB HSDP Tilt
WBAEV53404 58,514 M TITANIUM SILVER ADESA Dallas Consignment Sale 05/03/2007 $19,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather MN CC PL PST PW AC HSDP AFCH Tilt Computer WoodTrim
WBAEV534X4 67,298 M SILVER ADESA Los Angeles Consignment Sale 05/25/2007 $18,000 View Announcements
Options: Leather 2WD SN 5P CC PL PST PW AB AD MS AC PSDP STB AFCH Tilt BOP SAirbgLF SAirbgRF EmsCA CdinDash
WBAEV53444 68,899 M ALPINE WHITE ADESA Dallas Consignment Sale 05/03/2007 $18,500 View Announcements
Options: Leather MN CC PL PST PW HSDP ACI AFCH Tilt Computer WoodTrim
Good luck!
-Mathias
If you want to get rid of it, maybe you should sell it yourself. Someone on the board here suggested the four cylinder model Accord should actually be selling at a premium as a used car nowadays. Stick a sign in the window or put it on Craigslist or Autotrader. See if you can get your price that way.
I think a comp between the value of the two cars with the following example (or something similar comparing these two models with similar mileage, except subaru being one year newer than the hoda, as is the case with what I am considering) would be very useful to me:
>>As an example, maybe we can compare a 2005 Accord EX-L with 30k miles to a 2006 legacy 2.5i limited with the same mileage, both auto with no additional options?
Anyone?
So you're getting rid of your car because it's depreciating more rapidly than you had expected? Does that make sense? You're only out $10K if you trade it in now. You won't lose that money if you keep it.
As for your new car.. Out of those choices, I'd go with the Accord, as well.. But, I have a few other suggestions..
Acura TSX.. gives up a little power to the Accord, but with the stick is perfectly acceptable... tight handling.
VW Jetta 2.0T.. I like the GLI model, but it can get pretty pricy.. Similar power to the TSX (a little quicker, I think), and comes with a lot of options in your price range. Long term reliability is an issue.. but, comes with a nice warranty.
Good luck!!
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I don't think I can buy a VW--their reliability (especially electronics) scares me.
I'm intending to keep this car for at least 5 years, so reliability is important. I'd keep the BMW if it weren't for the SMG--it's been that reliable.
'04 Infiniti FX35 AWD.
Silver w/ tan leather interior.
73000 miles.
Body is in pretty good shape, interior has couple nicks and bruises, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Brand new tires (name brand
On our short list of vehicles to look at is the new Audi Q7 or maybe MB R320/350...
Then, it sounds like the dealer low-balled you on the trade by maybe $3K or so. So there's 1/2 of your $10K "depreciation" (getting a lousy purchase deal, & a lousy deal when trying to trade it).
Good news: I "think" the depreciation per year will be much, much, less the next couple/few years. And just do more research & negotiating before doing the next car deal.....
Would you buy a subaru wagon? That would sway the decision for a lot of people, as would AWD. And I'd "guess" that a subaru wagon would have better resale than a subaru sedan, except for the WRX maybe.
Edmunds has a "True Cost to Own" feature where you can plug in different cars & get projected depreciation rates, etc. It's fortune telling, but way better than nothing, (hopefully).....
06/Honda Element ex-p
Auto
2WD
11,000 miles
Silver/gray int.
Sunroof
Very good condition overall, very clean interior
Tires have 75% left, brakes good, both 5K and 10K service done
Thanks!
For a general idea of resale prices and depreciation on the Subaru or Honda or any other car, get online or to your library. Check Kelley Blue Book, NADA, Edmunds and any of several other price guides. Hearing anecdotes from a few people will not give you a meaningful average.
My point before though was, why even care about an average? If you want to sell a car, go sell it and find out what it's worth. If you want to buy one, go make some offers and see what you can get one for.
The car:
Indianapolis, Indiana
5,900 miles
Copper Sunlight exterior
Like new condition, as it is still pretty new.
It is a manual with ABS, power windows, locks, mirrors and keyless entry.
The egnine is the standard 2.0L in all SX4s.
No damage, noit even a nick or scrath.
What do you think the car will be worth as a trade?
Thanks!
If you can sell it on your own you'll be better off. You can sell it for 10% more than that trade value of the '06.
Look it up.
Also, why would an 2007 have a lower value than a 2006?
04/13/07 NEVADA Lease $11,900 270 Avg SYLVER 4G Yes
05/23/07 DENVER Lease $11,500 2,717 Avg WHITE 4G 5 Yes
05/01/07 BALTWASH Lease $11,800 2,917 Avg BLUE 4G 5 Yes
05/16/07 MILWAUKE Lease $12,600 5,950 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/18/07 NADE Regular $12,000 6,728 Avg SILVER 4G Yes
05/17/07 LAFAYTTE Lease $10,400 29,284 Below BLUE 4G A No
This ought to give you an idea.
Search around here (RWTIV) for discussions on how to interpret this data. Anyway, that should help you.
Forget the books.
Sorry to hear about your leg, and good luck.
-Mathias
I suspect joe131 meant to say DIVIDE the 2006 number by .80
Well, lemme put it this way ... I bought an EXL V6 in May of last year and paid less than you did. Honda had manufacturers support on the Accords most of the spring/summer last year. They were selling for invoice MINUS $750-$1500. So the reality is, your car should have cost you a heck of a lot less when new, thereby upholding its reputation for resale value.
Sorry to be the one to tell ya, you let yourself get hosed.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
should I wait or trade in now? How can I figure out the optimum trade in time?
Thanks!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I am concerned about falling over that edge where maintaining it and repairing it cost way more than makes sense.
Thanks again!
let's say, for kicks, its an AWD GLS. We're looking at around $8500 trade-in, give or take $500.
If you went through average financing at 5 years with $1k down and have had it for 2 years, I'm taking a stab in the dark and say you are about $5k upside-down. Am I warm?
My suggestion is to start paying extra towards the payments and take a look at your situation in another year. You've got a 100k warranty, after all.
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If it were me, & I could get $8500 for a 65K Hyundai, I'd take it, eat the loss, & move on. I wonder what the trade in value of a Hyundai near the end of the 100K warranty is? Can't be good.
There are up to $1500 rebates on some Subarus right now. If you got a great price (around invoice maybe?), Plus the rebate, it would sure make sense to me.....