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As both a buyer and a dog-lover, though, I personally would not want to buy a car that someone else's dog had slobbered over, nor would I ever bring my own dog along. But I could understand someone using an assistance dog having their animal with them.
Then why do they put braille on drive up ATM's?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
For the same reason they have the "Umpires' Locker Room" sign in braille at the stadium!!
I don't know about the mileage thing, though you'd have a hard time proving they put 2300 miles on it.
And you're right. People like to show up at 3:00 on a busy Saturday when we are swamped. Then they complain about how much time it took!
The people that really bother me are the ones who want to drive four different cars, then they grind the price for another hour. When the deal is finally done, they suddenly remember they have to be somewhere in a half hour.
They will look at their watch every two minutes and pace the floor while I push the finance person to please hurry up.
I talked her out of that as soon as I had a chance to do so discreetly, but yeah, it was embarrassing. I think I was as tired of the whole process as the salesman was (though... half of that was just jealousy).
Salespeople know that trick, and most don't fall for it.
A third party opinion is always helpful
In European countries they can and do go everywhere.
As far as leaving a restaurant if there is a dog inside, there are probably employees of that establishment that aren't as clean as some dogs. Do they wash their hands before serving your food? You will never really know.
So go right ahead and "broom" buyers if you want. I am in sales, too, and I know that I need to set my schedule by when my customers are available, not when I would like them to be available.
I've done fine for 18 years. I'll do it my way. Keep plugging along. I'd rather enjoy life.
I live to work, not work to live.
When your in retail sales you should adjust your life to meet the customers. Don't like it get out of sales.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's the problem travler. They can...and do..."go" everywhere.
Do you really want to be eating in a fine restaurant and have a dog relieve their bowels while you are eating. I'm not sure, but I believe a dog could care less if it has to pass gas while you are eating a plate of cannolie. :sick:
The same goes with buying a new vehilce that has been given a test drive by someone who owns a dog with urinary incontenance. Would you want to buy that vehicle???
I happen to like pets, but I'm allergic to most of them, and a car that's had pets in it would provide me with an unpleasant (at best) test drive. Not a lot different to me than letting someone smoke on a test drive.
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I have customers who have been with me for over 12 years.
I will work hard and long for them. It's the one's with the attitude that started this thread I have no use for.
Read the first comment on this issue.
No need to judge anyone else's lifestyle.
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Just use good judgement in all situations. I said, "Well behaved."
Dogs are DOGS! They are NOT people!
They stink, they shed, they slobber and someone else mentioned the other things they do.
I like dogs but they belong at HOME!
Nothing worse than trying to sell a used car that reeks of stinking dog! Much worse than cigeratte smoke even!
So tell us exactly how you feel about dogs.
Bob
The date, the Vin# and the current mileage is plugged into any service work on the dealership computer ..... 2,300 miles is a looooong drive, are you sure.? ..l.o.l... we're talkin' a 40hr trip back and forth from Miami to Indianapolis, "in a Vette", not particularly a fun drive .... my other question is: .. you didn't bother to check on your car in 3 weeks...???
... hmmm, maybe it's me .. but do I see troll footprints in this story .? ..l.o.l... .. that said, if it's true, you got a bunch of $$ coming your way .... Jipster kinda reminds me of the Mother in that "70's Show" ~ always in a panic .. give that man a glass of wine ....
If indeed this happened ... then make a lunch date with the owner, have all the paperwork on hand and I'm sure it can be handled - quickly ..... running around with a this and that action will stretch it out for 2/3 months - and you'll get half of what you might deserve ....
Terry. :shades:
I'v never had anyone take a dog on a test drive. Though I've had a few customers who have come close to fitting your description of a dog (stink,slobber, shed).
Have a good evening..... :shades:
Six years later, now that the then 2 and 3 year old are now 8 and 9, they now have certain tastes and wants, especially on what they can be seen riding around in. :surprise: (yep, it's that kind of town we live in...) Not that they are going to influence my ultimate purchase decision, but including them in the process, and explaining the relative costs and benefits makes for at least a few teachable moments. These kids have both been taken everywhere from about 2 days old, so they are well aware of acceptable behavior, and act accordingly.
I have never done an on the spot deal and delivery; most dealers around here just don't seem to push it. When I bought the truck summer '04, we went on a Tuesday night and the longest wait was to find a salesman, since their were only 2 on staff at the store that night. Drove it, liked it, did the deal in 10 minutes afterward. Made an appointment to pick it up that Friday; paper work all ready to go when we got there. Time that day until we drove off was less than one hour. Total time from start to finish was maybe 2.5 hours, tops.
It really doesn't have to be a grind. BTW, the above was in the family way too.
Thats an odd question. Are you suggesting I ask someone if they are "leaking" before I let them test drive a vehicle of mine?
I guess it would depend... on if they were using "Depends".
If so, I would have no problem at all with it.
You must not know much about having fun, or sports cars, if you don't think a trip like that wouldn't be fun.
I think if you had read chumms post a little more carefully, you would have noticed he answered all of your questions quite clearly. He has proof of the mileage from when it was recorded when he brought it in. And chumm wrote that he checked on it frequently during the 3 weeks the dealer had it. Your comments/attitude kind of reminds me of the late Howard Cosell...who many said was a "legend in his own mind".
So you do not care that the presence of your dog is discomforting to your fellow restaurant patrons? You do realize that some people are frightened of dogs? Others might have allergies to dogs, too.
I have a beautiful australian cattle dog that I love immensely. I love dogs. But I think taking dogs into public establishments is tacky and inconsiderate.
And as far as why dogs don't belong in test drives...let's start with liability. If the dog is injured in the test drive (they can't be "buckled in"), the dealership is open to legal action. Who is going to pay for damaged leather? Who is going to hand-pick the dog hair out of the rough carpeting in the rear of the vehicle? Vaccuums can't get that out, trust me, I know this from experience! :shades:
I recall someone mandating that a website I worked on had to be accessible and everything had to have explanatory titles to show if the graphic didn't for example. The person (from a state or local agency within Ohio) stated boldly that it had to be that way by Federal Law and cited the numbers. I read the dang thing and it said ONLY that federal entities had to do all that stuff. It did NOT say that everyone else in the country did. I posted the quotes. Someone else picked up on it. And the "new interpretation" by an overpaid public servant was debunked.
I am allergic to dogs and cats. Friends from our scout troop train dogs for just such purposes for people who benefit from assistance. I've only seen 2 or 3 dogs in a restaurant in my life assisting and they were better behaved than some people, or some kids at least. Ordinary dog has no need and no rights to be in restaurant.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
With all the frivolous lawsuits today your probably should. I can just see the next sunvisor warning label:
"To avoid risk of electrical shock, incontinent passengers should not use heated seats." :surprise: :P
I bet bringing an attorney will kill any chance at a quick and fair settlement.
They put 2300 miles on. Assuming Vettes are expensive to repair and maintain, I'd try to negotiate some cash and a pretty deep account to be used for future work.
I'd like to see someone put a number on this... It really is theft.. they could go to the police and bring charges.. How much is this worth? $1500? $2500? $5000?
I sure wouldn't want an account for future work at that dealership... no way I would ever be back there..
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What is 2300 miles worth? The IRS standard mileage rate is 44.5 cents per mile? Quick someone do the math *headtilt*
Suuuuuuuuuure is want nice or moral...but you can't sue for Morality, can ya *sigh*
On the other hand, here is my approach, it took the dealer 1 day to fix the car out of 21, lets give him the benefit of the doubt, one to asses and get parts..so lets give him 3 days. He obviously used the car for 18 days of entertainment...find out what the FMV is to rent a vette per day and start them.
Tell him you will walk away with that, otherwise, you are getting an attorney and calliing every local news station and paper in town to let them know what goes on here. So take your pick *nodnod*
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I dunno about you ... but I wouldn't leave a golf club, a motorcycle or a frisbee "anywhere" for 3 weeks without being there psychically and getting some positive feedback ...... thank you for the compliment, Cosell changed the media concept of sports forever ..
Terry.
I'd like to see someone put a number on this... It really is theft.. they could go to the police and bring charges.. How much is this worth? $1500? $2500? $5000?..**
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It's not a theft thing, because the customer signed off on a service agreement .. but it could easily be abuse of property and loss of value .... depending on the original mileage, like 48k versus 50k, there could be a definite loss of value, plus I would "nit pik" that car apart .. this scratch, that ding, this paint chip, this stretch/rip and mark in the interior and the 2,300 miles on the rubber alone is good for $500+ ..
This could easily be a $2,500/$3,000+ claim .. plus the potential bad press in the community is worth a bunch to the owner .... you don't want this going up the chain of command because all of the information will get diluted on the way up ..... if this poster is smart, they'll "completely" side step the service/sales department and bring all of the history and information to the owner/dealer principle - and only deal with him ... cuz', you can bet there will be more "yeah but's" going on than in the city of New Orleans ..
Terry
I think I would try to settle this on my own (no lawyer). If the dealership was unwilling to work with me, I would contact the local television station. I am sure they would love to jump all over a situation like this. Having a reporter from the local television station contact the dealership might make something happen. Plus, I would think with the dollar amount you are talking about $1000-$3000, it wouldn't be worth it to you to get a lawyer (unless you are simply looking for a moral victory). Now small claims court, that would be another option - provided you have rock solid documentation.
One question here is where did the car go for 2300 miles? Did the service manager commute 50 miles each way for 3 weeks in it? Did it take a vacation? I'd search every inch of that car with a witness for any item that might give a clue where it was outside of the dealership.
But, that car has OnStar. What kind of records does OnStar and global positioning sensor on that car keep? It might take a legal order to get it dumped, but that could be real interesting to see the movement and locations during that 3-week period. I would find out what the GPS record is on the car.
And what is in the black box record? Is it short term or does it show other data?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The only thing i will need to haggle on is my trade in.
Any advise would be appreciated.
DEALERS-do you have alot of customers that come in with preapproval?
CUSTOMERS- How many of you have used this route?
Thanks!!!
1. Go out and get the best financing you can, then give the F&I guy a chance to best it.
Actually, the fun I had last time, was I already had 4.5% (or whatever it was) locked up and did not tell F&I. F&I, said he had 5.25% but since i was a good customer he would give me 5.0%. I told him he can do better and i wanted 4.25% - He said imossible, so I said ok and gave him my 3rd party bank check....suddenly....after squirming he was *able* to do 4.25%
If you are going to get an extended warranty, cruise the edmunds boards. When I bought my Ody there was a Honda guy in AR or AL selling HondaCare warranties for practically cost.
I did the same thing and F&I accused me of having fraudulant docs...he matched.
I think the bottom line to remember is the Dealer F&I should be viewed as another option- they are not YOUR credit union, working for you, but an agent of the dealership operating another profit center.
Do your homework, line up your choices and compare what the dealer gives you. I wouldn't automatically exlude the dealer either, give them a shot, they not only make there money on interest rates with the lender, but also volume so they may be willing to match your interest rate just to keep the volume going.
Good luck.