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Jay
What year Lincoln or GM would you recommend?
I also would like space for the back seat riders.
Also I'm not familiar with the various models..
is the one I should avoid?
Thanks for your help
Thanks in advance.
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They are quoting a Lincoln Town Car Executive Series at $32,291 that is a whooping $3,793 below invoice. This price reflects a substantial rebate and a dealer incentive payment. It's quite a bargain if you're buying cars by the pound. A Lexus ES300 would cost you more.
It seems like a reasonable deal, as long as you keep the car awhile. The low car price that the car commands when new is reflected in the price of used Lincolns.
My mother is quite short so she needs a car that has the power adjustable seats. I would like her to have a nice luxury car but I also would like it to be reliable because it will be my fault if anything goes wrong...............Any suggestions?
She has a Pontiac Bonneville but she can't see very well from the seat because she is just under 5 ft. tall and the seat does not go up and down just forward and back.
That Lincoln is beautiful...............and tempting.....
A week later, the left, rear window motor had to be replaced since the window became inoperative. One more trip to the dealer. Five days later, the radio quit. It is being evaluated by the dealer and should be replaced within a week. I have owned many cars and trucks over the years, but NEVER had such a series of problems as I had with this automobile. However, I love the ride it provides and the mileage, on trips, is in the neighborhood of 24-26 mpg. Not bad for a large car.
Thomas DeBray
Punta Gorda, FL
Cranked just fine, but would not start. I tried s starting a number of times but no luck.
The next morning it started.
Not much help from mechanics, they say they need to have it not start to determine the problem.
I am reluctant to drive it until I can figure the problem.
Help...
Get a Town Car
My other option is a '93 Cadillac Deville 4 dr. Sedan with only 23K. It too looks like new.It has what I believe are a full vinyl top and Astro Roof and comes with an alarm system which will reduce insurance costs by 5%. However it uses premium gas and does not offer as much space as the Town Car in front, rear or trunk.Its appearance is not quite as appealing as that of the Town Car. It is $2,000 more but 50K less. Any advice?
Thanks.
"THANKS"
"THANKS"
Don't like the what looks like to me smaller front room of the new models and absolutely don't like the chop job that was done on the trunk space and even access to it. So, I have been shopping for 97' (or earlier) with as low mileage as I can get, but so far, used car test drives show that (except for steering tightness) they don't ride better than what I have now. I have dual exhaust ALL of the way back from engine (not just from a manifold crossover pipe and supposed to add 15 more HP) and my 242K acceleration matches what I feel with any of the test driven used cars.
I am a technically inclined PC computer and networking consultant and drive 33K a year (mainly locally in the Chicagoland area). I am purposely doing less work now (at 57 years old) and starting to take more and longer trips and looking for a lower mileage than what I have because I know that it can't last forever.
I obviously will buy Lincoln Town Car again.
"Thanks"
I have seen the 4.6 engine, carefully maintained, with almost 500,000 miles and running fine. Of course oil consumption is significant and the limo company was using 20W-50, I think, in the high mileage engines. I don't think there is a more durable engine on the market, but then again, the Town Car and Crown Vic are just about the only passenger cars in the U.S. subject to so many miles in a short time, typically upward of 100,000 miles in a year in limo, police and taxi applications.
The previous pushrod engines used by Ford are by nature inferior in technology, metallurgy and tolerances and emissions. They are, as a result, less likely to run as many miles as the current modular engines.
112,000 miles, quiet as a mouse; door panels starting to show cracks from elbow pressure. Unbelievable ride at such high mileage.
Just changed original shocks (load levelers). Brought back the original quality ride.
Also have 94 tbird 4.6 LX; 64 Ford galaxie 500XL convert, and 58 white "square" bird (59,000 original).
Mine is a Signature Touring Sedan, a pretty rare automobile. Most of the TC's are Limo's (Executives). Most of the privately owned TC's I've seen are either the Cartier, or Signature version, and one I've seen only one or two Executive models in private hands. I have not seen another Touring Sedan, ever. People who haven't driven the TS option don't know what they're missing.
Some points: The Cadillac is FWD and feels it. It is also loaded with electronic stuff begging to go bad. The FWD was the single point that turned me off the Caddy.
The Toyota/Lexus: The car looks awful. It has no style, is simply ugly. It is small inside. I've seen the interior dimensions, and I've also been in one of the cars too. The arm and shoulder room is terrible. There is no room for movement, and the back seat room doesn't come close to the TC. You won't find anyone making a Toyota/Lexus into a limo. The Toyota/Lexus is a nice little box, but not even in the same class as a TC in terms of spaciousness, style, and aesthetic appeal.
Quality: The TC interior components are just fine. It is a very conservative interior, and also very well thought out. In the Touring Sedan, the appointments are on par with anything else in its class. All cars these days have too much plastic. Overall, the paint is the equal or better, and overall panel fit and finish, in and out is executed as well as or better than any competitor. The only fitment anamoly is one exterior door panel that is not as flush fitting as it could be. I've seen as bad on Mercedes, Toyota, Cadillac though. I think I'm picky.
The Trunk: Get real. The trunk is fine. No problem to use, and very spacious. I don't find it too deep at all, and has nice little shelves on the side that will hold a lot of stuff if you have a physical problem that prevents bending.
Horsepower and handling: Again, get real. On trips through the Sierra's it can consistently pass any other vehicle on the road. With the TS option, passing is quick, sure, and does not lag at all. Will it beat the competition in the 1/4 mile? Who cares. Over the Tehachapi's it passes everything. Horsepower is more than adequate for all reasons. Caddillac and others claim more HP, but where is it usable? Who the hell is driving on a race track? At any remotely safe speed, this car with the TS package handles extremely well. I also have a couple of Chrysler 300's, a TR6, and several British motorcycles - I know handling. I read one test driver complain that the back end broke loose without sufficient warning. Anyone who breaks loose the backend on this car while on pavement, is driving like a drug crazed idiot and ought to be shot. I can take any twisty road with very good speed and security, and TREMENDOUS comfort.
Comfort: No car in it's class can compare, and many costing 10-15k more can't come close. I've driven them. On a typical 4 hour drive, I arrive relaxed, and good to go, where the same drive in another car leaves you needing a rub-down and several aspirin. It is very quiet, the Apline stereo is great, the seats are very supportive and comfortable, and there is room to move your hips and shoulders. The climate control system is excellent as well.
About the only thing I'd wish for is more color combination options. I wanted the dark charcoal interior with the Wedgewood Blue exterior, but it wasn't available. I see that for 2001 Wedgewood Blue is no longer available.
This is an extremely good looking, world class luxury car. There's a reason why many performers stipulate in their contract that they will be driven around only in a Town Car.
Any way, I can not think of one good reason Lincoln has NOT put the bigger engine in the Town Car. Yes the current engine is good and dependable, but I would like to have a little more get up and go. A
s for comfort, yes it is comfortable, but why the flat Front seats? Why don't they put in more of a body hugging seat like Caddie?
While I am on the subject, why have they not put in any of the new tech luxury items? I.E. Emergency tracking, that cool new caddie thing for night vision and so on?
I love Ford and Lincolns, but if they don't keep up, well I might, choke, sputter, might have, choke, become a GM man.... WOULD NEVER BUY FORIEGN.......
Concerning, the Night Vision from Cadillac, it's just that sort of option I try to avoid. The trouble history for the TC is very good. Nothing seems to go wrong with them. Part of the reason is the conservative approach to adding options, in my humble opinion.
For years I've been a Mopar man - Had a '68 T-bird way back when, and loved it. Since Mopar is no longer producing a Luxury car, the TC was a tough, but good choice. So far I am happy in the Lincoln camp. I've been treated well. In all my Chryslers and Imperials, there has been minimal difference in engine configurations, except for the 300's. It's never bothered me.
I like the fuel consumption, and the engine is smooth, plenty powerful, and should have lots of miles in it.
I took the TS option for the dual exh, torque converter, more power, etc. If they had offered a more powerful/exclusive motor I might have taken it, but maybe not. I note that the 2001 has more ponies - up to 240.
So far, I've not wanted for power on any hill or passing situation, or just screwing around seeing how well the Michelins stick.
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Also, big celeb's ask for a TC only because stretches get noticed and you can get queasy riding around in them compared to a sedan. I worked for one of the biggest limo co's a few years back in the biggest celeb market, Los Angeles.
Here are my questions. Can one opt for the dual exhaust, higher horsepower engine option but keep the original rear axle ratio? In addition, since I am not fond of the seats that come with the TC option, can one opt for the non TS seats?
Personally, I don't want the extra acceleration the different rear axle would allow, but wouldn't mind the added horsepower.
I consistently get 22mpg+ on hilly freeways, cruising at 70mph or so. Flat freeways at 65mph return 24mpg, at 80mph return 20mpg.
In my Touring Sedan, I have not noticed any stress whatsoever with the lower axle ratio. I don't know exactly, but at 70mph, I doubt the engine is turning more than 3,000-3,250 at the most. The TS option is great. I get lots of punch when it kicks down for passing, but cruising is a dream at 65-80mph.
Also, with regard to the MB/BMW style comments - this is all purely subjective of course - I thing the German cars are almost totally lacking in automotive style. I feel their design is great for a blender, or food mixer, or other kitchen appliance, but not really great for a car. The squared corners, boxy, sort of look is just not for me.
When the present TC style came out, it took some getting used to. But I really like its aggressive stance, largeness, and unwillingness to blend in with the Toyotas.
One other thing I wanted but could not get was white-wall tires as an option. I think a thin white-wall would have looked good. Oh well.