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any suggestions on what I can do to keep her running strong???
Thanks in advance.
I do, however have a soft grinding sound only when I turn to the right that I will have the dealer investigate during my next (free) oil change and tire rotation due in a few miles. The grinding sound can be heard with my foot on or off the brakes, so I'm concerned enough for them to investigate since I only have about 7,000 miles on the car so far.
My Prizm's initial quality has really impressed me; the soft grinding noise is the only thing I've found to gripe about since I purchased the car. The ride quality and mileage are excellent -- every tank has been 34-40 mpg since day one, and I drive the car like I stole it.
I'll post my dealer's findings after my visit.
The noise appears every other turn and when I took it to a shop surely enough it did not come up. The mechanic said: "There is nothing wrong with the front end of your vehicle".
I want to know as much as possible about this problem before I take it to the shop again.
Corolla has a TSB "SUBJECT REGARDING STEERING RACK END NOISE". Could this be the answer? If so
how can I get hold of this bulletin?
Other than this problem the car is perfect for city driving. Smooth and refined.
At freeway speeds it gets really loud with the 3-speed automatic. I would not recommend 3-speed auto to anybody driving significant distances on the freeway. Under 65mph it is very quiet, at 70mph it gets loud but I can put up with it, and at 75mph the engine noise becomes unbearable. I should have bought a 5-speed std.
I think. It being new, I didn't crawl underneath myself but had the dealer do it.
I sold it and alter got a '93 Corolla, which I agree is a more pleasant car; feels more expensive than the later ones... and it is making noises too, when turning left or right... grinding/squeaking is about right... my mechanic says it's the wheel covers, which are pretty beat up from curb scraping at 180k miles... the brakes etc. are fine... i'm ignoring it. Yeah, it's bothersome, but it seems to be a "feature".
-MathiasEast Lansing, MI
Dealer duplicated the noise and removed, cleaned and reinstalled the rear brake shoes on the left side. That seems to have done the trick; it's been over a week and I haven't heard a sound.
Now think about "legendary" Toyota quality.
Can anyone offer any advice?
BTW, it has the familiar grinding noise in the front end. I think it is the left front, but maybe that is because I can only hear that part. The dealer where I bought it fixed something. I think the axle, but the brakes were ok. Still makes the noise, but I went on a 1300 mile trip with no problems this month and since the thing has been grinding away and been checked I am not doing anything more. The car otherwise has been very good. Rare repairs, although lately it looks like an oil leak has developed, so I may have to have that checked. Good milage still. Most repairs were more or less expected. Anything would have been an improvement over the piece of old Chrysler junk I spent a fortune on for useless repairs and finally traded in for a charitable $100, as well as for numerous other older, purely American sedans of various makes. I recommend the Chevy Geo or, if you want to throw money away, buy the Toyota version.
Also, what are the common explanations for the grinding noise so many people are mentioning? Anybody have a straight answer form a dealer they trust? Any TSB's or recalls?
Thanks for the help.
2. This is essentially a Toyota built at the Fremont NUMMI plant. I wouldn't expect any parts not to be metric.
So-- 1. Toyota dealers will work on a Prizm and
2. If anything, I feel that the typical Toyota dealer is worse than the typical Chevy dealer-- so watch your back.
is this consider normal wear and tear? is there anything that I can do? as always thanks for your assistance...
car update: 168,294 miles
I think I may need some brakes and a tune-up other than that I'm still getting 31MPH... I have a 5 speed.. (98)
was the best of the Corolla platforms with the possible exception of the 03's. Much better than decontented 98-02 models of Corolla and Prizm. Better than the 94-97 Corollas too. Great car. "
1) Why is it better? What do you mean decontented?
2) i have a 2002 prizm. it's 9 months old w/18k miles.
i went from 35mpg to 25mpg on highway in 1 tank in january. i've changed the oil, fuel filter, and used different gas stations. tire pressure at manufacturer specs. nothing worked. Dealer says diagostics checked out fine and didnt have any explanation.
it was like that for 2 months (till this week), where i'm getting 32mpg now. the only thing i can think of is that the weather has been constantly warm this week (hi 50's).
a) i dont remember the temp in dec/jan, but i'm assuming that it was cold before and after my milage drop. if so, WHY DID IT DROP? And why did it drop SO SUDDENLY?
b) if the week that my milage dropped was because it was colder and stayed colder till this week, WHY DOES MILAGE DROP IN COLD TEMPS? and anybody have a continuous 30% drop?
3) What does a hood deflector do? it is like those bug shields on pickups? Anybody have a pic of a hood deflector mentioned in #615? THX
But it doesnt say how to fix it. and when i took it to the dealer, they had no record of it. they said the TSB "must be too new." It's been around since Feb 2002! (my car was made in Oct 2001.)
So what's the effect on my car, and how to fix?
Now it's only $8400 if you sold it yourself? geez...from a invoice of $17k to $8400 in a year?! 50% depreciation?! Jesus!
WHY???
Thanks!!
also if anyone has any additional suggestion, feel free to let me know
Thanks...
1. When I read about the "Lexus-like" quietness in the 93-97 Prizms (and Corollas), I thought this surely was an exaggeration. I can see now that the 02 is a LOT less quiet at highway speeds. Whether it is cheaper insulation or stock tires or both remains to be determined. Bottom line: the car is noisy at 70mph, even with the manual. I was hoping to use it for longer trips to avoid putting the miles on my wife's car, but this probably will not happen.
2. A combination of a somewhat stronger engine and a 5-speed gives a very different driving impression. Even without a tachometer, it is easy to figure out when to shift, and the car really (though somewhat noisily) flies.
3. Interior trim and materials are actually better than what I expected after reading about the decontenting that was done on 98-02 models. Decent plastics and upholstery for an economy car, reasonable sound from 4 speakers/CD player.
Conclusion: too bad Toyota skimped on soundproofing when designing 98 Corolla and Prizm. Still, at the right price (50% off invoice for 1-year old car), for in-town trips mixing street and highway driving, with cheap insurance and excellent fuel economy, this is a sensible little car.
Can anyone shed some advice about the quality of these cars?
Thanks!
From a sample of one each of 96 and 2002, I can say that the sound insulation (and the road noise) is definitely worse in my 2002 Prizm. I read a lot about decontenting and cheaper plastics with the 98 model changeover, but find the interior actually pretty decent. Still prefer the charcoal plastic of the 96... Noise at speed is my biggest gripe (with speed limit of 70 mph just outside the I-494/694 loop, you can imagine how fast on average traffic flows outside the rush hour).
As for the engine quality, I don't expect it to be any worse in the last generation Prizm compared to 93-97. I have not seen or heard any complaints about Corolla engines of the newer vintage. On the 96, I already have 128k and it runs like clockwork with reasonably regular maintenance.
I will repeat my advice to Corolla/Prizm shoppers: do not get a 3-speed automatic. These are more common, but look for a 5-speed manual if you are comfortable driving it, or a 4-speed auto with an overdrive gear. Anytime you exceed 60mph in a Corolla/Prizm without overdrive, you will hear the engine rev and think about potentially wearing it off faster.
When I was shopping for a Prizm a couple of months ago, I always verified with dealers that their cars had 4-speed auto (though I ended up buying a manual from a private seller, on eBay no less!) One of the dealers commented that though his 00 Prizm was a 3-speed, it had a torque converter that essentially did the job of the overdrive. I know that every automatic transmission has a torque converter and dismissed his claim (and this dealer) outright, but perhaps there was something in his remark that I should have investigated.
Good luck,
P.S. I cannot say much about Saturns. I had a '87 POSy Sentra, should have got an '88 or later - serious tranmission, idle, carburator issues around 100k. Call me ethnically insensitive, but I would not touch newer Sentras (or any other car) built in Mexico.
I think newer Prizms/Corollas are great cars but if they are too plain for you or cannot find one, I would look for a Protege before a Sentra or a Saturn. Proteges depreciate rather steeply, maybe approaching Prizms in that respect, and are nice little cars - rented them several times. Of course, you don't want the base 1.5l engine with automatic... However, according to Phil Edmonston's LemonAid books, repairs are more expensive on Proteges than other cars in its class.
I would even consider a Suzuki Esteem before a Sentra or a Saturn, much as I like Nissan's other cars. I have not checked Esteem's crash ratings, though.