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Nah - I think Buick was his first love.
Nope!
M
Oh, please! Compared to the Peugeot, the 7 looks pretty good too! Doing better that a Touareg, the worst SUV on the planet, does not make the 7 a reliability champ. Compare the 7 to a Lincoln Town Car, and it looks pretty awful.
And in the U.S. they are too.
M
Aha.... A 2005 S430 still has a CD changer in the trunk ?? Well it may be a great setup for mbzlvr, but I submit that if a $15K Kia can have an in-dash CD changer, how can an $80K S-class have a single CD in-dash ?? For a luxury cruiser, methinks it is wrong. Period...
Overall, I wouldn't ever buy a car with a changer (even an in-dash) if it cost me anything extra.... I certainly do not see an advantage at all.
As a result, I don't know why we are basing our ideas of what "Luxury" cars should include with regards to CD changers.... Seems pretty dumb to me. :confuse:
The new 3-Series is geting "pounded"?... This is news to me! Where'd you read that?
Sigh !!! Basing a luxury car on a CD changer ??? Is that how you read it ? Well, that's up to you. I am not going to try to change your mind, but I think my point is pretty clear... No need to re-harsh it again.
And that will put me out of the market, most likely. As great as they are, I don't need a 100K car.
Here's the advantage. I sometimes spend a good 4hrs or more on the road, and I'm not a big fan of listening to one CD over and over during that time. Changing a single slot CD manually while driving is extremely dangerous. A changer takes care of that so I can keep my eyes on the road.
Sigh !!! Basing a luxury car on a CD changer ??? Is that how you read it ? Well, that's up to you.
Yeah that is exactly how I read it! Your CD-confused definition of luxury is quite trivial. And while you compare the MB with a Kia here is a sentence from today's Wall Street Journal:
One sign of DaimlerChrysler's confidence lately is its move toward higher prices for new Mercedes models. The brand's new S-Class sedan -- set to debut in the U.S. early next year -- is selling in Europe for around €70,760 ($83,000), 7% more than its predecessor version and well above the €62,000 to €68,000 starting price of its chief rival, the BMW 7-Series.
I dont think MB is as troubled as you are about CD changers? In Fact MB sounds like a company that is at the beginning stages of a recovery!
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I didn't realize he also owned a LS400 but why would I be surprised ...HE IS A VERY SMART MAN.
Warren Buffet drives a Lincoln Town Car and Bill Gates drives a LS430! A Toronto doctor who is recently charged for the murder of a nurse drives a LS430!
Let us focus on the cars and not the owners!
How YOU see it... There are 7 Billion more people out there that may disagree with you on that....
I dont think MB is as troubled as you are about CD changers? In Fact MB sounds like a company that is at the beginning stages of a recovery!
WOW.. MB is in recovery ? From what, pray tell... But more importantly, let me ask you these:
1) Would you be buying an MB soon ?
2) Would you be putting your money where your mouth is ?
3) Would you be investing your money in DCX about now ?
If the answer to these 3 questions is NO, which I expect it to be, then your point is ????
OTOH, I plan to buy the next LS. TM is as good a stock to own today as ever, as compared to the entire car maker stocks....
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'Nuff said.
I dont think so!
How YOU see it... There are 7 Billion more people out there that may disagree with you on that....
7 Billion people but only a select few who can afford a MB without a CD changer!
1) Would you be buying an MB soon ?
Yes a new generation MB320CDI, I would love to own one of those!
2) Would you be putting your money where your mouth is ?
I think money is the only way to buy a Benz, is it not?
3) Would you be investing your money in DCX about now ?
If I was a momenutum investor you bet I would. In the last 5 month DCX shares have increased 30%. Much more momentum than Toyota shares!
It appears a lot of investors have confidence in a MB without a CD changer!
Safer with GM Bonds than the shares! I think Kerkorian made a big mistake in investing in GM equities.
"If I was a momenutum investor you bet I would. In the last 5 month DCX shares have increased 30%. Much more momentum than Toyota shares!"
Not sure how you do you math but the bar chart shows Toyota up more in dollars and percentage (from January 1 and from the low points at mid year of both stocks) and that's off a stock that has stayed lofty rather than one that was falling through the floor. Most of DCX's rise is purely off a mangement change. If he doesn't show good numbers the stock will tank. A momemtum player would take TM. Much better run company, great efficiency, much stronger financial ratios and Balance Sheet, prime locale for Asia and the Japanese stock market is headed north a lot faster than the German market. On top of all that Chrysler is not sustainable.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=TM&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=dcx
6 Month Chart
Ther reason DCX should have greater future momentum than TM is that investors are finally regaining their confidence about DaimlerChryler's management. After years of Schremp's destruction of DCX, it appear DCX is resting with intravenous connections and is regaining some strength. This is a turnaround story!!
This is is referred to as data mining! You can find a convincing argument for any stock by using different cut off dates in calculating returns!
My primary focus is the future and the increased optimism about DCX!
I agree with you, time will tell!
I also know better than to respond to such foolish nonsense too.
M
It is amazing how the things that Lexus doesn't accel in aren't part of the "luxury" experience.
M
This is true until you have to change out one of the 6 discs in the changer, its the same thing, only you'd have to do it less often. If a car only has a single-slot CD in the dash, usually there is changer somewhere else, so you don't have to listen to the same CD over and over.
One could also argue that fooling around with a changer with 6 discs is more dangerous than a singe-disc changer for reasons another posted listed above. Now you've got 6-CDs to fumble around with when you want to change one or any of them out.
M
I guess you're saying that handling is part of the luxury experience. There's nothing wrong with preferring good handling in a luxury car, it is a personal preference. Yet I would disagree that good handling is part of the luxury equation. Rolls Royce is obviously a luxury brand (or ultra-luxury), but are their cars known for handling?
Rolls-Royces "waft".
M
BIG DIFFERENCE
Most people drive their MBs and Lexuses
Most poople get chauffeured in their Rolls Royces
A wicked handling Rolls Royce will cause caviar stains on the attire of VIP passengers
More RRs are chauffered than MBs or Lexi, but I think it a strech to say that most are chauffered. I see a fair number of ultra-lux types around town (there is even a guy who drives an old RR to the train station each day) and only once have I seen one driven be a chauffer (it was a Maybach).
Do you like the exterior styling of the RR Phantom? I personally find it hideous (distinctive, maybe, but still ugly), but it is still a luxury vehicle.
Anyway Lexus is finally making some progress on the styling front....some people are going to prefer the looks of the 2007 LS over the 2007 S....well, maybe not someone with the moniker "merc1".
I have never driven one so just what does "waft" mean? An invented word that equals "mushy suspension" or something?
If you would like a AWD Super Sedan...a Lexus GS might be just the ticket for you or by year end 06 you could probably get a AWD LS....Then go storming down that Passing lane on a dark night on I89 heading to Montreal and be VERY CONFIDENT that the car will actually get you there without breaking down.
I think you have acknowledged that you don't actually own a ULTRA Luxury Sedan, although you have driven many....
TO me The look of the car has nothing to do with LUXURY...To me Luxury is being pampered...Being safe...not being bothered by repairs...the knowledge that no matter how far I drive my car will get me there and back without hassel.
In my youth I did see like the thrill of driving fast, taking corners at the limit, passing other cars at will and when room to do so was tight ....
Now a Relaxed drive with a great sound system playing, With a through the dash 6 CD player in a quiet car, smoothly crusing in ultimate comfort...free from worry ...Is an awesome experience..
It is an added thrill having the knowledge that my car can do 0-60 in 5.9 secs. That with the push of the power and sport buttons , my car will lower for added airo- dynamics and the steering will tighten for sharper control and the gearing can be changed for added pop off the line...
And any car doesn't *drive* according to you ???? Does an MB drive any better than a Lexus, or a Toyota or a Honda ? Like the S-, 7-, the LS is a RWD car, which means a better driving car than any FWD car. That the car *isloates* the driver is a part of luxury Lexus defines.... that which puts the ruts and grunts of the road outside the equation. Are you suggesting that feeling the road imperfections is a MUST-HAVE for driving experience ? Is that your definition of driving ???
In-dash changers are an obvious convenience feature...having 300 minutes of music easily available is better than having 50... and changers are widespread enough that if a luxury car doesn't have one, then it is imho slightly lacking. Not a huge deal, but a piece of the luxury jigsaw puzzle.