So how are you liking the sport package? I went back and read everyone's pros and cons, and I'm concerned about the streets of SF doing some serious damage to those 17" wheels. I'm also not too jazzed about the thought of having to switch out tires to head up to Tahoe. I'm going to Rector this weekend to look, so hopefully come Monday, I'll be a new owner! Don't know of what yet...I've changed my mind on engines and options more times than I care to count! This sales guy is really going to earn his money...I'm going to test drive every different combo!
Kihmun, good point about the sports package - high performance tires are not good with snow. And it's much more of a hassle to switch to snow tires if you only visit snow rather than live in a snowy climate! I wanted the sports package mainly for the firmer suspension, although the 16" non-sport wheels that come with the 2.8 models are pretty nice and the standard suspension is pretty stiff (there's not a huge difference between the two). While I may eventually add sport shocks and springs (for a few hundred dollars), I'll probably stay with the 16" wheels for some of the reasons you discussed. Given your situation it may be best to go with the non-sports? Anyhow, have fine trying out all the different combo's!
Just bought an A4 Quattro with the premuim, sport and cold weather package. List was 29,400. Walked out the door for 28,000. Was a pretty good deal done in Mobile Alabama. Maybe because it was a 5 speed i got a good deal. As far as i am concerned who wants a Quattro without the 5 speed. It's all about the joy and fun of driving, to me that means a 5 speed.
I ve read on here some of the differences but got confused. I have a third sun visor and the bottom of the drivers door says Audi in metal. Someone said those are the signs of a 2001.5. Door says made in 10/00, so this says 2001. As well as i have the premium package, not the celebration package. What's up?
Anthony-- hmmmmm, that's a good question. I've heard that build dates of 11/00 and later are '01.5's (as Billy noted earlier). In my opinion it's an '01.0 because of the premium package. I was told that all '01.5's had the Celebration package, contrary to what Billy said. I can't be a absolutely positive about that, though. But when you think about it, who cares?? ...you got an excellent deal on it, so I wouldn't worry too much about it, lol :-P
It does not matter i love the car. It is a 2001 not a 2001.5. The final clue is that on the sport package i have 16" tires and on the 1.5 it's 17" tires. Guess i will save money when i have to replace them. It also says that the third visor and the metal plate on the drivers door are on all 2001's.
This is going to sound terrible, but we got the Sport package solely for the cool wheels
We only to up to Tahoe once per year in the winter (and more in the summer). I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
As far as the suspension, I don't really notice a difference (but I also drive fairly conservatively and that may be why). It seems to be similar to my mom's A6.
Shannon-- Okay then, if you only bought the Sport package for those neat 17" rims, then send me over your shocks, springs, and sway bars!!! :-P
Anthony-- Ahhhhh yah, that's the dead giveaway --didn't think of asking you that ...but the 16" rims and tires are a good combination, IMO. No offense to Shannon (and all you others that have the 17" sport rims) but I actually kinda like the old 16's. Sure, they're not as quite as kewl looking as the 17's but I believe that they are a good compromise between the ultra-performance 17's and the stock 15's as far as looks, handling, less potential for being damaged, lower cost of replacing the tires, and not having the need for winter change-over. They are definitely more conservative in their looks but I almost like that. So Anthony, if you ever plan on up-grading those rims later, I'll take, 'em! lol :-P With Shannon's suspension parts and your rims, I'll be SET!!!! :-)
I'm seriously considering the A4 Quattro, but I would really like to know how they handle in the snow. Like some of the other comments made, I too drive to Tahoe, about 10 - 15 times during the winter. I'm sure glad a you guys mentioned the changing of winter tires on the sports package. BUT now I have yet another decission to make! My questions are: How snow worthy is it? AND - is the ESP solely a sports option and how does it handle in the snow without it?
Nate, while I haven't yet driven my A4 in the snow , I've heard nothing but superlatives about its' foul-weather handling - from owners (check out Audiworld.com) and in reviews of the car. Quattro is considered one of the premium AWD systems available. The ESP option is not linked to the sports package, but I'm guessing not too many current A4's come with it. I believe ESP will be standard on the 2002 model. Hope this helps.
My first test drive was right after a big snow. I went on some side roads and found 8-10 inches of unplowed snow. The A4 with the all-season tires was just as at home in the snow as my 1998 4Runner in 4WD (just with less clearance). It was great. That's part of what sold me on the A4 Q.
If you get the sports package, just make sure you have all-seasons or snow tires for the winter. Summer tires are terrible in snow, even with Quattro.
I have tons of friends that drive their quattros up to Tahoe (in pretty crazy conditions), and they've never needed chains, and never had any problems. I think I've been sold on not getting the sports package. Although I would love to have the suspension, I'm not interested in having to deal with changing tires, the lower clearance, and the possible damage to the rims from driving the mean streets of SF. Are you thinking of going new or used? I've had some problems finding new cars with all of the options that I'm looking for, and have seen no 1.8Ts with ESP.
Nate-- I agree with Mark wholeheartedly. You'll have no problems at all in the snow and ice IF you have the proper tires. The only thing that might stop you is ground clearance. Obviously the A4 doesn't have the clearance of a Wrangler so if your are trying to navigate deep snow drifts, you'll in all likelyhood, get stuck, lol. Just like the guys are saying over on AW, with proper tires, the A4 is absolutely fantastic in the snow... just don't try to drive in the ice with the performance tires you get with the Sport package (they don't even have an M+S rating); that's the reason for having an extra set of rims and tires just for winter purposes.
Mark's right, ESP has nothing to do with the Sport package. My A4 has ESP but doesn't have the Sport package. Another car that I was trying to buy but was purchased just seconds before I could begin negotiaing for it, had the Sport package but no ESP. Read back a few posts to post #1496 to read Markincincinnati's excellent post about ESP.
Around here, in WA, when I was shopping for my 1.8t in March, I saw quite a few 1.8t's with ESP on the dealer's lots. Like I said in my previous post, My 1.8t has ESP but doesn't have the Sport package which I thought unusual at the time. I probably wouldn't have chosen it had I oreder the car but now I'm sort of glad it has it. I agree with mgmeyers; I think I also read somewhere that ESP will be standard equipment on all the 2002 models.
Kih-- yah, you might just have to order a 2002 now. Since production of the 2001's have now ceased, whatever you find out there will be all that you'll find out there, lol, although I hope you'll get lucky and find one equipped like you want.
Since the seat options on the 1.8T are vinyl and cloth, I'm interested if anyone has cloth seats. How do they look and feel compared to vinyl? Do they wear well? I'm concerned about vinyl because of cracking/splitting as the car ages and that it will be hot/sticky in the summer.
Also regarding Quattro in snow, I once read on Audiworld.com that Audi's have a problem with the rear swinging out when starting on snow/ice. However, I wonder if these cars were equiped with ESP? Would ESP minimize/eliminate the car swinging out when starting on snow/ice? One theory why this happens is that quattro sends too much torque to the gripping wheels too quickly. Don't know if I should believe that.
Here in Minnesota, we get lots of "practice" driving on snow & ice. Oftentimes the secondary roads are snow and ice-covered (frozen) for weeks on end. As others have posted, quattro will give you tremendous traction, the extent of which will be directly proportional to which tires you use. I can tell you that when using good winter tires, the rear of the car does NOT swing out when accelerating from a stop - it goes straight ahead and you will easily leave virtually any other car on the road well behind as you pull away (this is great fun, actually). But as others have said, if you try this using high performance summer tires, such as the Dunlop 8000E's that came standard with my A4, you will be spinning and fishtailing all over the place as Cavalier's, Accord's, and the like leave YOU behind. This is NOT so fun!
D. J.- Unlike many A4's, I have cloth seats and I am very satisfied with it. I was a little hesitant in buying cloth seats 'cause I'm afraid that it'll ruin the classy look of A4. I still got it 'cause the deal was not to be missed (perfect condition 2000 A4 1.8T Quattro, 5spd, sport and celebration pkg for $22,000). Audi does a good job making the cloth seats fit in with the atmosphere and it's very smooth and comfortable as well; unlike those **cough cough** caps imports It also adds that "sport" feel to the car and I heard it's hard to find now a day. It beats leather in that it needs less cleaning and maintaining. Of course leather seats have it's pros too, but cloth seats are nice and I don't think anyone would regret getting them.
D.J.-- IMO the cloth sport seats are VERY nice! If I were to have ordered my car, I would have considered getting them. But my car came with leatherette which I really do like as well. Karen (nitpicker) just recently took delivery of her car which has the cloth sport seats and if you haven't already read her comments about them, click on: nitpicker Jul 15, 2001 10:42am I've had leatherette before in a VW product and when I sold the car 11 years later, they looked just like new --not like real leather which would have shown its age by then. Leatherette does not stretch like leather and I experienced absolutely no splitting or cracking at all. The leatherette in the A4 is/looks quite nice, actually. Both Billy and I have had those not in the know comment that they think it's *real* leather ...they really appear quite classy. And no, they don't feel sticky in the summer to me --of course our summers aren't all that hot here, lol.
ESP does not actually aid in traction from a standing start, so no, I don't believe that it will help with the car's rear end swinging out starting in snow and ice. As with any vehicle, the "slow-and-easy" rule applies with Quattro as well when driving on snow and ice. I'm not anticipating any problems at all when winter comes. Quattro is going to be far superior to rwd (obviously, of course) and fwd as well.
Just ran across this site from someone who posted on VWVortex. It gives the specs on the 2002 UK version. NA 2002's will be a little different but at least we can see some of the specs of the cars that are already being sold elsewhere in the world. The colors should be pretty close to the selection that will be offered here from what I can remember about the brochure I saw from someone who acquired one from one of the auto shows recently. btw, electric rear windows are optional on the European models ...I thought that sort of amusing, lol. Go to this page which shows the colors and then you can navigate to other pages for further specs: http://www.audi.co.uk/online/carselector/carbuilder/frameset_main.jsp
Saw a few pics of the new A4 in a review in our morning newspaper. Great update on the exterior (especially if you like the new Passat, I do)but unfortunately, they also updated the interior to look more like the Passat as well, which I don't like.
While shopping for a car back a few months ago, it actaully came down to the new Passat (2 wheel) and the A4(quattro)
Loved the exterior of the Passat and all its standards and those offered options with the GLX, loved the interior of the A4.
I see the pics of the new A4 and I say great, that would have made my decision easier, until I saw the pics of the interior, not that it is a bad layout, it's just not as good as the old one.
Scirocco, oh I think I misunderstood what you said.....what I thought you meant was, all 2001.5's that left Ingolstadt have Convenience pkgs. Yes they do, only if they're so equipped.
Shawn, isn't that a "tragedy".....I think VW is trying to minimize the gap between the A4/A6 and the Passats.....eventually buyers will be so confused.....also the Audi brand will be degraded.....as we all know VW is known for its "Volks" which means "People or everybody" and good for "Value for Money". Raising the VW's brand to a level similar to Audi is dangerous to both companies (same parent company).
Yeah I believe ESP won't help you to launch faster in snow/ice conditions. ESP will stop the wheelspin once it senses it, so if you are that adventurous to floor the gas on snow/ice, the wheels will be slowed until there is grip. I'd say launching a non-ESP equipped car skillfully should take about the same time as a ESP equipped car. ESP helps when you take a 90 degrees curve at 30mph when you are at the edge of over/understeering, but not straightline acceleration.
I have a 2001 A4 1.8T with the following: 5spd/Bose/Xenon/CD changer/Quattro Celebration & Convenience Pkgs/Cold Weather Pkg/ESP/Sport Pkg/Cloth sport seats/Silver w/black interior.
The cloth seats were a must for me as I generally like the grip of cloth. The sport seat option is GREAT. They are the same seats as in an S4, only covered in cloth. The sport seats are difficult to locate, but very much worth the extra cost. They are very supportive and comfortable and come with power lumbar as well. I highly recommend them!!
Having said that, I feel the A4 1.8T is the best built, best valued car in the upper-$20K range, regardless of the seat coverings...
It is my understanding that sport seats will no longer be an option in the 2002 model. Also are there any good images of what the interior looks like now. From what little I have seen, I am not overtly impressed. It looks as bland as a Camry. Anyone heard about 2002 prices yet? Also I had tried to follow a link that gave driving impressions of the 2002, but I did not find the site. Anyone read one of these. Thanks.
You can check out some interior views and options for the 2002 A4 on the UK Audi site (www.audi.co.uk). Looking at the car configurator, they do include sports seats in the sports package, but I didn't see them as a separate option. Don't know what USA options will be. I agree with you that interior looks more bland and plastic than current A4.
Trying to decide between two cars...one with, and without ESP. I know about the performance differences, but was wondering if the insurance companies were giving discounts with this added 'safety' feature on cars. Any experience that folks have had would be appreciated!
I have a 1.8T Quattro w/ 17" rims. This winter I plan to get some 15" Alloys for snows and was wondering whether anyone has had experience with TireRack and the rims they have to offer?
achan-- I agree with Mark ...AW has an entire forum devoted to tire and wheel discussion that's moderated by Eddie who is a Tirerack salesman: Click here --I hope that link will take you to the forum. Eddie can answer any question you have on Audi tires and wheels. You can ask him on the forum, by e-mail or by a toll-free number. If you go to the Tirerack web-site, you can view a graphic of your car with any of the 69 rims they offer for the A4 1.8t: Click here --if that link doesn't work, then you can navigate to it yourself by going to the home page of the Tirerack web-site. I've had some friends that have used Tirerack and were very pleased the their products and service. They have a list of recommended installers that will mount tires at reasonable prices but since you'd probably be buying a wheel and tire combination, you could have it shipped directly to your home completely mounted and balanced, ready to put on your car. My only suggestion would be to go with 16" rims and snow tires instead of 15" since you have the Sport package. There are still many snow tire options for the 16's. 15's with the Sport package would make me cringe, lol.
Actually "taller and narrower" provides superior winter traction if that's the main objective, as more weight is placed on a smaller footprint. So the 15 inch wheels combined with a higher profile tire would work better on snow and ice. But of course the downside is that they do not look as good and you will lose a little handling capability on dry pavement, compared to the 16's. It all depends on your priorities and what you are trying to achieve. If I lived in a moderate climate with only occasional snow and ice, I would stick with the 16's. Here in Minnesota, I chose to go with the 15's in a 195/65/15 size.
Wait a minute, I thought all 1.8T's are electronically limited to 130mph.....only the S4's (i'm only referring to the "4" series) got it up to 143mph.....or maybe you got a potato "chip" under the hood, or maybe you were going downslope?
Oh by the way, where do you live spike66? I better watch out for an A4 1.8T who might be doing 136mph. That's a little too fast on the road, don't you think?
Billy -driving in a silver Taurus in PA and thinkin' about my 1.8T anxiously
I live in Minnetonka, MN. I too thought that the limiter would have kicked in at 130, but it didn't and I was traveling on a flat, back country road. Mind you, I normally do not exceed 80mph but the opportunity rose and I just wanted to test my car out.
All right, I've seen the pictures and read the reviews. I'm ready to replace my 2000 A4 1.8T with the 2002. I already have almost 32,000 miles on it. Do the dealers have brochures and pricing yet? I've loved the sport package but I'll probably go with the better traction in snow this time. I'm going into retirement so chances are this will be my last new car. I've always believed that extended warranties are a rip-off but after reading some of the postings here I'm thinking about it. What's this Warranty Gold that has been mentioned?
Hi- proud new owner of a 1997 A4 2.8 Quattro and new to German cars entirely (forgive- I was with the Japanese). I'd like to add a CD changer and upgrade the speakers if possible (not a Bose system). My understanding is that I can't upgrade the speakers and that I have to get a changer through the dealer unless I want to go with FM modulation. Anybody have better advice? Thanks P.S. I too can't wait for that first snow!
Steve-- Nothin' wrong with being "with the Japanese" lol ...I've had plenty of Japanese cars and am planning on buying another one shortly. Quite of few of us A4 owners have owned one or more Japanese cars. Many of us agree that Japaneses cars are more reliable and have lower maintenance costs. But there's nothing like the "feeling" and character of a German vehicle. You can't upgrade the speakers? ...hmmm, haven't heard of that. And I've read where several people have put in non-Audi CD changers.
Ken-- From what I'm reading over at AW and VWVortex, people are negotiating for and ordering their 2002 A4's at a "price over invoice" so they're inferring that the official prices haven't yet been released. I have heard the brochures are out, though.
Mike-- "rock solid" at that speed? *thumbs up*
Billy-- silver Taurus in PA?????
Joel-- I agree completely with taller and narrower being better in snow. But I have a friend with an S4 and one with an A4 Sport pkg and both went with 16's for snows. Neither considered 15's (wouldn't even fit on an S4) and 16's were a good compromise (coming from 17's) for the profile was higher and the tread width slightly narrower than their standard tires. Since both vehicles have slightly lower suspensions, 15's would've looked ridiculous and the 16's offered both decent looks and better over-all performance/handling on dry pavement over the 15's. In a place like MN where snow is on the ground for most of the winter, then yes, I guess 15's would be a better choice. For me with my non-sport set-up (*waaah*), I'm obviously going to get 15's for snow change-overs (if I do it at all) and eventually upgrade to 16's for everyday use.
Jay-- I've got it and I really like it! I've talked about it several times in the past. The last time I gave my opinion on it was post #1519, click here: scirocco22 Jul 20, 2001 4:31am ...leatherette needs little or no maintenance compared to leather and since it doesn't stretch like leather, looks good even after many years. I'm very satisfied with it as it is my second car that has had it.
Local dealer has told me that if I order a 2002 it will be 3% over current ***MSRP***. Can you spell R-I-P O-F-F. A recent post mentions that some folks are are negotiating __$ over INVOICE. There are not an abundance of Audi dealerships in my area, so I can't drive across town to another dealership. Any advice would be appreciated.
They tend to get hit within the first week of ownership (seriously - both my car and Billy's got it within 4 days). Make it through that week and you're home free...
If you look on audiworld.com you'll see a list of what's different on the A4 for 2002. That list tied to the looks of the 2002 are the reason I wouldn't go for a 2001, good deals or not. It's the next generation A4, it won't have that 'yesterdays' look or feel for years to come.
Scirocco, I'm in PA on a business trip and I'm sick and tired of this rental silver Taurus. It's certainly NOT "Silver is faster" on this ride.
Sideshow, I had a 96 Accord with 120k miles when I traded it in in Feb this year and it had ONLY a problem with the driver's window motor (replaced) and an overreactive door lock (still lockable but also replaced). Other than that, the thing ran solid and smooth. Started whenever I wanted it, even after 30 days of sitting in the snow in Wisconsin's winter. I can't say the same about German cars, although mine (a 2001.5 1.8T) got no problems since Feb 28 this year with 5700 miles, well excluding the radio all of a sudden died on me and after I pulled the fuse out and wiped it down, it came back alive and no problems since then. Hope it's built as reliable as the Accord.
Oh yeah, Mark, you are right about those accidents. I *almost* got T-boned by a Camry not seeing me. 100% her fault, and mind ya, I never had one single accident before that in my Accord for 120k miles. How the heck did the other driver miss a silver A4 coming their way? I dunno. It's time to paint my car Imola. Just kidding.
I think the leatherette is quite good. I have it in my 2001 A4Q and looks and feel very much like real leather. 5 years ago, I had a 87 Mercedes 190 which also had leatherette and I think the leatherette actually looks better after a few years compared to leather. But if you want to spend the money on leather, go for it!
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May you have continued enjoyment!
--'rocco
Congratulations and enjoy your ride!!
--'rocco
We only to up to Tahoe once per year in the winter (and more in the summer). I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
As far as the suspension, I don't really notice a difference (but I also drive fairly conservatively and that may be why). It seems to be similar to my mom's A6.
So I am probably the wrong person to ask
-Shannon
Anthony-- Ahhhhh yah, that's the dead giveaway --didn't think of asking you that ...but the 16" rims and tires are a good combination, IMO. No offense to Shannon (and all you others that have the 17" sport rims) but I actually kinda like the old 16's. Sure, they're not as quite as kewl looking as the 17's but I believe that they are a good compromise between the ultra-performance 17's and the stock 15's as far as looks, handling, less potential for being damaged, lower cost of replacing the tires, and not having the need for winter change-over. They are definitely more conservative in their looks but I almost like that. So Anthony, if you ever plan on up-grading those rims later, I'll take, 'em! lol :-P With Shannon's suspension parts and your rims, I'll be SET!!!! :-)
--'rocco
Nate
If you get the sports package, just make sure you have all-seasons or snow tires for the winter. Summer tires are terrible in snow, even with Quattro.
I don't have ESP, so I won't comment on that.
Mark's right, ESP has nothing to do with the Sport package. My A4 has ESP but doesn't have the Sport package. Another car that I was trying to buy but was purchased just seconds before I could begin negotiaing for it, had the Sport package but no ESP. Read back a few posts to post #1496 to read Markincincinnati's excellent post about ESP.
-'rocco
--'rocco
Kih-- yah, you might just have to order a 2002 now. Since production of the 2001's have now ceased, whatever you find out there will be all that you'll find out there, lol, although I hope you'll get lucky and find one equipped like you want.
--'rocco
Also regarding Quattro in snow, I once read on Audiworld.com that Audi's have a problem with the rear swinging out when starting on snow/ice. However, I wonder if these cars were equiped with ESP? Would ESP minimize/eliminate the car swinging out when starting on snow/ice? One theory why this happens is that quattro sends too much torque to the gripping wheels too quickly. Don't know if I should believe that.
TIA.
ESP does not actually aid in traction from a standing start, so no, I don't believe that it will help with the car's rear end swinging out starting in snow and ice. As with any vehicle, the "slow-and-easy" rule applies with Quattro as well when driving on snow and ice. I'm not anticipating any problems at all when winter comes. Quattro is going to be far superior to rwd (obviously, of course) and fwd as well.
--'rocco
--'rocco
While shopping for a car back a few months ago, it actaully came down to the new Passat (2 wheel) and the A4(quattro)
Loved the exterior of the Passat and all its standards and those offered options with the GLX, loved the interior of the A4.
I see the pics of the new A4 and I say great, that would have made my decision easier, until I saw the pics of the interior, not that it is a bad layout, it's just not as good as the old one.
Shawn, isn't that a "tragedy".....I think VW is trying to minimize the gap between the A4/A6 and the Passats.....eventually buyers will be so confused.....also the Audi brand will be degraded.....as we all know VW is known for its "Volks" which means "People or everybody" and good for "Value for Money". Raising the VW's brand to a level similar to Audi is dangerous to both companies (same parent company).
Yeah I believe ESP won't help you to launch faster in snow/ice conditions. ESP will stop the wheelspin once it senses it, so if you are that adventurous to floor the gas on snow/ice, the wheels will be slowed until there is grip. I'd say launching a non-ESP equipped car skillfully should take about the same time as a ESP equipped car. ESP helps when you take a 90 degrees curve at 30mph when you are at the edge of over/understeering, but not straightline acceleration.
Billy
The cloth seats were a must for me as I generally like the grip of cloth. The sport seat option is GREAT. They are the same seats as in an S4, only covered in cloth. The sport seats are difficult to locate, but very much worth the extra cost. They are very supportive and comfortable and come with power lumbar as well. I highly recommend them!!
Having said that, I feel the A4 1.8T is the best built, best valued car in the upper-$20K range, regardless of the seat coverings...
Also I had tried to follow a link that gave driving impressions of the 2002, but I did not find the site. Anyone read one of these. Thanks.
Good luck.
--'rocco
Oh by the way, where do you live spike66? I better watch out for an A4 1.8T who might be doing 136mph. That's a little too fast on the road, don't you think?
Billy
-driving in a silver Taurus in PA and thinkin' about my 1.8T anxiously
P.S. I too can't wait for that first snow!
Ken-- From what I'm reading over at AW and VWVortex, people are negotiating for and ordering their 2002 A4's at a "price over invoice" so they're inferring that the official prices haven't yet been released. I have heard the brochures are out, though.
Mike-- "rock solid" at that speed? *thumbs up*
Billy-- silver Taurus in PA?????
Joel-- I agree completely with taller and narrower being better in snow. But I have a friend with an S4 and one with an A4 Sport pkg and both went with 16's for snows. Neither considered 15's (wouldn't even fit on an S4) and 16's were a good compromise (coming from 17's) for the profile was higher and the tread width slightly narrower than their standard tires. Since both vehicles have slightly lower suspensions, 15's would've looked ridiculous and the 16's offered both decent looks and better over-all performance/handling on dry pavement over the 15's. In a place like MN where snow is on the ground for most of the winter, then yes, I guess 15's would be a better choice. For me with my non-sport set-up (*waaah*), I'm obviously going to get 15's for snow change-overs (if I do it at all) and eventually upgrade to 16's for everyday use.
--'rocco
--'rocco
Can you spell R-I-P O-F-F. A recent post mentions that some folks are are negotiating __$ over INVOICE. There are not an abundance of Audi dealerships in my area, so I can't drive across town to another dealership. Any advice would be appreciated.
Topic: July 24th: "What is the stupidest thing you've seen someone do while driving?"
Why don't you get a 2001? You can get some pretty good deals right now.
Sideshow, I had a 96 Accord with 120k miles when I traded it in in Feb this year and it had ONLY a problem with the driver's window motor (replaced) and an overreactive door lock (still lockable but also replaced). Other than that, the thing ran solid and smooth. Started whenever I wanted it, even after 30 days of sitting in the snow in Wisconsin's winter. I can't say the same about German cars, although mine (a 2001.5 1.8T) got no problems since Feb 28 this year with 5700 miles, well excluding the radio all of a sudden died on me and after I pulled the fuse out and wiped it down, it came back alive and no problems since then. Hope it's built as reliable as the Accord.
Oh yeah, Mark, you are right about those accidents. I *almost* got T-boned by a Camry not seeing me. 100% her fault, and mind ya, I never had one single accident before that in my Accord for 120k miles. How the heck did the other driver miss a silver A4 coming their way? I dunno. It's time to paint my car Imola. Just kidding.
Billy