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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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Did you see the Carfax report? It should contain more details like Lemon Law-cars, etc.
Good luck,
Could it be bias? Nice, Edmunds!
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As I mentioned before I was worried about 2001 Grand Prix GT already had 3 owners according to CARFAX report. I have asked dealer about this and he told me that he doesn't know all previous owners, but he could give me a report which reflects all warranty works has been done to this car. It was only 2 minor repairs, so I decided that this car is fine.
The car looks like new.
I have noticed though that it is noisy inside.
The ride is not quiet so does the engine. I used to drive Corolla and I was enjoying a quiet ride.
Somebody can tell me something about noise?
Is that normal for GT?
Being only 30 000 miles it still has original tires.
Is that possible that tires also contribute to this noise?
Perhaps you should drive other Grand Prixs. There may indeed be something peculiar with THIS one car...
I like the car, but I have never had GP before, so I am trying to understand what is going on.
The car is pretty quiet, but on High Way after 60 mph I can hear noise of wind and it increases as I increase speed. There is no any particular noise; it is kind of outside noise.
I still can return this car back, but I am not sure whether it will be right thing to do.
It would be a good idea to drive another GP, but I need to find one.
It's good to see GM finally getting their quality #s up and past the Euros. Won't be long before Detroit and Tokyo are neck and neck in terms of quality. The reality in my opinion is that they already are!
Every car is going to have little bugs here and there. I want a good dealer experience in dealing with the issues. My Pontiac dealer has been outstanding.
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Talking about customer service Mitsubishi is dead last. I haven't seen customer service ratings lately for specific car brands. Last time I looked Honda was moving up a little in customer service satisfaction while Toyota stayed not in dead last but yes near the bottom.
Before I blast it, I do say that the car handles very well. The engine had power to spare and was able to get me onto the freeway with no problems. The dash board was very neat and easy to read.
But the one problem I had that is bothering me literally as of this posting is seat comfort. The car I got from the rental company was this cloth material that was as basic as possible. To me, it was a step or two above the material you would see in a car owned by a cities water department.
Second, the front seats were as hard as a rock. No comfort to them what-so-ever.
Another issue is that the seat is designed to keep you firmly in the center of the seat. Which is fine. However, the version of the car I had did not have any type of lumbar support. I have never been in a car before with this kind of seating with no controls for lumbar. (The car did have power seats to it's benefit)
No matter how I adjusted the seat, I could not get comfortable. From Orlando to Sarasota I stopped once or twice because the seat was bothering me that much.
Toward the end, my lower back was starting to hurt. AS of right now, it is a challenge for me to get in and out of any type of chair because my lower back is in that much discomfort because of this car. My wife's back was starting to hurt her when we turned the car in.
I wish the car designer would raise the car again. This thing was too low. Plus, where did they get that upholstery. I have rented Chevy Impala's and they upholstery there is nicer than the Pontiac.
I would be very hard pressed to rent this, much less, purchase this car no matter what kind of deal I would get!
Dave
to get the seats adjusted to my comfort level
the front driver and passenger seats are fine, Granted, I have leather seats, heated driver seat and lumbar support, but a rental is a rental- you get what you pay for- don't judge the car by a rental vehicle- I also own a 98 Bonneville SSE which is (IMHO) more comfortable than the GP
but it is also a bigger vehicle and the MSRP was also higher- again- you get what you pay for.
If you are thinking of purchasing a GP- then test drive one with leather,lumbar support etc- don't bother with one without these obviously if it gave you and your wife backaches. If you still get a backache, purchase a different vehicle!
I do know that I am a bigger guy who cannot handle the lower cars. I honestly thought the Grand Prix was the same height and comfort as the Impala. I did have some problems getting out of the car. (I hit my head getting out once or twice) But the back problems...OY!
Dave
Perhaps you should look at vehicles like the Subaru Outback or the Ford Five Hundred...
Anyone else heard anything like this?
- Ray
Cross posted from Bonneville board . . .
The base model GP cloth seats are atrocious, and the cloth has since been changed already by Pontiac. I would not have bought a GP without power leather and heated seats. The leather makes it much easier to slide in and out of the car, which is necessary because the top of the door is very low. At first it is easy to hit your head on the top of the door until you get used to it.
I too am not as comfortable as I'd like in my wife's 2004 GTP, but I feel it is actually due to the meager headroom (especially with the sunroof), and the fact that I am 6 feet tall plus long waisted (I wear 30" in-seam pants). I have to recline the seat significantly just to fit in, and my head still has to be cocked a little to the right to fit in the area where the sunroof is. I'm sure I would be more comfortable if I could position the seat without concern for head room, as I can on my friend's Regal. I'm not really complaining, as we knew about this issue before we bought the car, and since the car is my wife's and she fits in fine, we decided to go for it.
Anyway, my point is that the seat comfort may be at least partly related to the lack of headroom if you are tall or long waisted.
RM
Any ideas???
BTW, this 10 yr old pretty reliable GP goes to my 17 yr old next month as we upgrade to a new Chrysler300M. THE NEW GP's just do NOT fit TALL PEOPLE!! I like the looks but at 6'4 literally can look out the top of the sunroof! We tried the Bonneville but that still did not have enough room, even in the back for my 6'1 son (nice car but to be truthfull besides room just does not stack up to the 300M w.their closeout model change prices and $4K rebates ... have owned 2 caravans and a grand cherokee with pretty good DC luck). So sorry but even though I like the looks of pontiacs ENGINEERS / DESIGNERS AT GM, WAKE UP; build some cars for guys over 6 foot please.
We got our FOM GTP in December - I don't think the incentives are better now, and one we had received in the mail, a $750 24 hr. test drive incentive, has expired as of 1/2/04, so we have no regrets. We went out of our way for the FOM color - we drove from Fountain Hills, AZ to Tucson - over 2 hrs. each way - to get the car in FOM and with the options we wanted (every possible option except block heater - we don't need that here in the desert!) we even got the XM satellite radio, which we didn't think we wanted, but which found we like - especially me - I love it!
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We bought the GTP with Comp G, and everything but the block heater. There is only $2,200 difference between the base price of the GT2 and the GTP - for that you get the On Star system with 1 year of service included, Full function traction control, 17" (and nicer) wheels and tires, a drivers seat with 4 way power lumbar support, and, of course, the 260 HP supercharged engine. I am not saying you are wrong - it is a matter of opinion, but doesn't that seem like a bargain to you?
Now add the Comp G package at $1,395, and you get the $600 value HUD and upgraded trip computer included - that leaves $700 for the upgraded wheels tires, TAP Shift, firmer springs/shocks/stabilizer bars, Stabillitrak, Magnasteer, painted calipers, and 3.29 axle ratio (I admit, some of these things are a matter of preference, or of questionable value - red calipers especially!)When we bought our GP, we also got an extra $500 on the Comp G package, so we ended getting the Comp G for $200, the way I see it.
So our car listed for $30,765, and we paid $20,700 in early 12/03. This price was arrived at as follows: $3,500 GM Mastercard rebate, $2,500 GTP rebate, $500 Comp G rebate, $665 leather interior incentive from GM to dealer passed through to me, $750 24 hr. test drive rebate and the dealer discount (I think we paid $250 over invoice).
Richard Moore
I usually drive a '97 Eldorado Touring Coupe - I bought it new - it has 109K miles miles on it now. I like the GTP, but I still prefer my ETC. The power is about the same - both go 0-60 in ~6.6 seconds, and do the 1/4 mile in ~15 seconds, but the power delivery curves are very different. The GTP starts off strong, but seems to fade as the revs build, while the ETC with the 32 valve Northstar engine is more sedate off the line, but really comes to life once the revs reach 2000-3000 RPM. I'm 47, and the GTP feels like the cars I grew up from the 60s and 70s - a lot of low end grunt. It is good, but the power is SO strong on the low end that when you do floor it, it can be a disappointment. What I mean is that it seems like with around 1/4 or 1/3 thottle, you are getting 3/4 of the available power, so when you do floor it, the engine does not have that much more to give. This may have something to do with the electronic throttle introduced this year, as I don't remember that being the case with my friend's supercharged 1999 Regal GS.
I know it's not a Cadillac, but I am a little surprised when a car listing for >30K in 2004 doesn't have some things I have on my 1997 car. No cornering lamps, no climate control, no remote gas door release, no electrochromic mirrors, no memory seats, no power seat on the passenger side, no automatic parking brake release. I had most of these things on my 1990 Sable which I paid 16K for. I know that the GTP has some things my other cars didn't/don't have, and I'm not exactly complaining but I just find it curious that certain things were left out
So you ahve a coupon worth an additional $1,800 that anyone can use? Wow, maybe someone would buy it from you - I know I would have. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember the $750 test drive rebate we used couldn't be combined with some other rebate or discount plan - maybe the coupon you have. I will try to console myself that is the case - that way we only missed out on $1,050 savings, still a lot!
Bye from sunny Phoenix.
So, how does that supplier discount work - can anyone use it? Do you get one coupon a year or something? I am just curious.
RM