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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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I'm a Regal GS owner with a car I might want to trade in sometime during the next few months. With the Regal going into the dustbin of history, what are some things you GP GTP owners have to report?
I know the new GTP is modified to pump out a bit more hp but the same torque. Do most of you find the ride to be kind of on the harsh or tolerable side for the new/old GP GTP's?
You might say, "why not buy another GS?" Well, good luck finding one. Most GS owners are happy with their cars, despite declining sales the past few years, and seem to be holding onto them. I know the cars are supposed to be essentially similar, but you never know what one GM division might do better/worse than another one might.
Thanks
Except:
1. comfort, and
2. attracting cops attention.
I saw few used GS for sale on e-bay.
I recommend you rent one for a day (unlimited miles) and drive it.
I have personally owned a 1997 GTP coupe and now 2002 GTP coupe and have driven the 2004 many times as a rental. I will NOT be buying a new GTP until GM brings back a coupe. I guess it will be a GTO next time around in 2007 if it is still around.
BTW the supercharged Buick Regal is just as fast as the GTP, same 0-60 and 1/4 mile specs. The Ultimate sleeper,knowone expects that Buick to run a sub 6.8 second time, LOL!
Thanks for your response.
I do think the new GPs a re a bit more refined though. Not a lot, but a little. All good anyway.
I would ask or even call a regional rep to see.
Subject: Upcoming Safety Recall
04055 – Front Frame Assembly
Models: 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix
Based on information from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) web site, the media may report that General Motors will be announcing a safety recall involving certain 2004 model year Pontiac Grand Prix vehicles.
Some of these vehicles may have cracks in the structural walls of the front frame assembly – right rear body mount bracket. Loads on the bracket during vehicle use could cause failure of the right bracket, and both rear body mounts could eventually detach from the frame structure. If this occurred, the rear of the frame would drop further, possibly causing the steering intermediate shaft to become detached from the rack and pinion steering assembly, resulting in a total loss of steering control.
To correct this condition, dealers will inspect the front frame assemblies for specific manufacturing date stamps on 315 suspect vehicles. They will replace the engine cradle assemblies in 51 vehicles that may have cracked brackets. These repairs will be performed at no cost to the customers.
GM is working with its suppliers to obtain the parts needed to correct this condition as quickly as possible. Based on the anticipated schedule, we plan to begin notifying customers about this recall during the third quarter of 2004. GMVIS information will not be available until the recall is formally announced.
My suggestion is to talk to the service manager of the place where you bought the car. If you have done that, make an appointment with the owner of the dealership and have him come down and sit in the car with you. You have a lot more clout at the dealer you bought from as they want you back as a customer. I can't tell you if your car a/c is as cool as it should be but perhaps ask to sit in another GP and compare with the manager and show him it's not right.
Well, I for one love having the cabin at 70F after 5min in the car in a 100F day in Texas...
I have the 2003 GT and it takes no more than 5 minutes to go very cold- (MAX AIR- blower on 4 or 5)in the car, even after sitting in the heat with all windows closed - over 90 degrees etc.
I'm not a mechanic in any stretch of the imagination, but I would think that if all you are getting is cool air and not cold A/C, after 10 to 15 minutes, there is a problem with the A/C.
The S/C was changed but I don't think GM changed the regular N/A engine .
Dan- your 04 is a GT. and you said you don't have any problems with the AC.
What model is rkw2 and tek3's ?
bobinnj- you said you tried another GTP- did you try a GT1 or GT2 to see if it was the same results?
Maybe i'm shooting at stars on this one, but who knows, it may be worth trying either a GT1 or GT2 out to see if both the GTP and GT engines A/C Units are performing the same way.
Good Luck.
I have no complaints at all. It was stinking hot in the car on Saturday afternoon and my GP was cool after 5 minutes on the highway. Maybe there are some bad units or maybe people expect to cool their car off idling, I'm not sure what the issue is here?
There was a thread on ClubGP.com which indicated there was a problem with the recirculating feature not working correctly on quite a few 04 GPs.
The test vehicle was a new '04 GTP ('Special Edition'?). I didn't drive it - only idled it, but it seemed to take about same time to cool as my vehicle.
Good question about GT1/2 vs. GTP engine. Perhaps the units are different? Two different dealers couldn't give me an answer. Anyone on here have info on the specs. on the AC units of the GT vs GTP's?
Compared to my Nissan SUV - that cools down in under 5 mins, with windows closed, hot as hell in the cabin, etc. Like night and day. Have to turn it down as it gets too cold afte about 6-7 mins. Like night and day compared to the Pontiac.
That's about all I can say, but I am curious about the GT vs GTP issue, not that that would do me much good at this point. IF I had known about a difference, if indeed there is one, I definitely would have gone the GT2 route.
Jeff, the 300C is a beautiful car but still a first year car. Hopefully you will not have another disappointing experience. Good luck.
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the prior generation GP's- have a different A/c Compressor and Condensor-
I did not do the complete list of all the a/c parts- pulleys etc- just the two big items.
the 02 and 03 GP/s- Supercharged and N/A's- 3.8
v-6's have the same unit
AC Delco Compressor #1520452- $349.75
AC Delco- Condenser- #156961
The 04 GP'S- Supercharged and N/A's have:
AC Delco Compressor- #1521133- $365.79
AC Delco Condenser - #1580463
Maybe these Part #'s can help you find out the BTU'S?
It is a different unit than the 03's and older.