Dodge Caravan/Chrysler Voyager

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  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    Please see new discussion on Gen 3 belt buckles and be sure to e-mail your congress person.
  • paul164paul164 Member Posts: 11
    Overall, I like the vehicle alot. No snow this winter so far the AWD has ben a bust - my wife is the main driver (and does not sense the vibration) and she loves it - the power door was I thought a gimmick but we now like it - ditto for the rear hatch. Not worth the money for either, but you can't get them without and everyone else wants them so it is a resale issue. generally, I think the driving dynamics are unbeatable. It is quite a surprising vehicle to drive, very sporty, hard as that may be to believe. Ride can be alittle rough, the rear end with the leaf springs gets thrwon around a little on some of the rougher roads. I have a few issues with some of the interior trim, the supholders on the rear (quad bucket) seats are junk. Some of the controld cvould be better lit, such as the HVAC knob, the buttons for the rear liftgate and power door (which are not lit when the head lights are off, so you park the car at night, turn it off and cannot find any of the buttons) - the butttons for the windows/door lock are basically the same and very easy to get confused. Really some cheapo type things that are ok for a $16k minivan but not a 35k one and show some of the drawbacks of the huge model spread in the DCX minivans - Honda only has one vehicle so it can better engineer, etc. to that target. As to reliability, no issues so far except as mentioned and that damn 2100 vibration, but only about 10k miles so far so should be 100% now.
  • ed12ed12 Member Posts: 100
    I have a 2002 Chrysler T&C LX. Does anyone know of running boards available; other than the Mopar items. Also, the dealer had a minivan on the floor with the wood applique on the dashboard It looked really sharp, but they want a lot of money. Does anyone know of a kit for the T&C.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    I have the ES AWD with pretty much all the options.

    Likes:
    - power
    - ride/handling (yes, it's a bit stiff though)
    - quietness (except at 2100 rpm)
    - power doors and liftgate (use them all the time)
    - awd (with Michelin Artic Alpins, it's simply amazing on snow)
    - steering radius (compared to my 1990 Grand Caravan)

    Dislikes:
    - non-illuminated power door buttons when it's dark and the engine is off (Have to punch the adjacent reading light on and hold my hand up as a reflector to see them.)
    - long reach to the e-brake release

    Overall, I'm really happy with it. I agree with Paul that it's actually fun to drive.

    Yes, we could trade for a 2002, but that exceeds my budget. When I buy a new vehicle, I plan to keep it for a minimum of 8 years (probably 10). Have to spread the initial depreciation over that kind of ownership span.

    --rolfe.
  • tm4419tm4419 Member Posts: 10
    As I understand it the vibration problem is only in the AWD model. Correct me if I am wrong.
    I bought the caravan ec which is exactly the same as the se but with fewer options available. I have only put about 700 miles on it so far and have to say it is a pleasure to drive. It is no hot rod but with the 2.4 litre engine and the four speed automatic it is satisfactory. The window sticker says it will get 19mpg in town and 27mpg on the highway. It is a smoothe ride and very quiet at highway speed.
    P.S. I only paid $14,100 for it at Elmhurst Dodge.
  • claywaterfillclaywaterfill Member Posts: 534
    Since this is a Voyager and Caravan board, I thought I would post an update for folks looking to buy one since most every post here is for T&C or Grand Caravan instead. I bought a 2001 Voyager in May, 2001 and it crossed the 10,000 mile mark today (at 10,001 right now). I love the van. Don't know how much simpler I can put it. The 3.3l six accelerates great in traffic, and the ride is very smooth and quiet. The CD stereo sounds wonderful. Even though it does not have rear air, the three big vents in the middle of the dash move a lot of air and I received no complaints last summer (I am in Georgia)--and my kids would have complained for sure! My biggest complaint with the ride is the tire noise. The Goodyear Integrity tires certainly ride very smoothly--and I have never felt unsafe in the rain--but they are not the quietest tires in the world. Are the Michelins on the up level T&Cs real quiet? They are not LOUD, but you hear them at speeds over about 45 mph. I have used synthetic oil since its first oil change and the van starts right up instantly every morning. It does not get real cold here--might get into the teens a couple mornings a year--but absolutely no hesitation in cranking. Mine stickered around $23,000 and I paid about $19,700. If anyone is looking for a great family hauler for not a lot of money, the Voyager is certainly hard to beat!
  • goatmealgoatmeal Member Posts: 11
    To Steve or any body who can answer it.
    In edmunds consumer rating for vans they rate the 2002 Voyager at 8.6 but rate the Caravan at only 4.1 How can this be when they are identical except for a few trim items? The prices are within $5 of each other for identical models.
    I have driven them both and they are exactly the same.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Well, there's only one review for each model so far. So one person liked the Voyager, and another didn't like the Caravan so much. Once we get some more reviews the scores should attain a more realistic average. Consumer Ratings is a new feature here, so it'll take a few weeks to hit critical mass.

    Everyone, please feel free to write a review yourself - drill down to your model from the New or Used buttons and look for the Consumer Ratings graphs and links.

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  • sweingastsweingast Member Posts: 28
    Hi Guys:

    I noticed that the Ody Club has a section of vendors selling Honda parts and accessories at a discount from Honda retail.

    Is there such a site for Caravans and Town & Countrys?
  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    I wouldn't say that such a site doesn't exist but bear in mind that DC vans don't need $5,000 trans or even $15 sparkplugs as does Odyssey. DC OEM parts aren't that expensive compared to imports, and many people go to salvage yards where you can buy used parts for half the cost of new.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Have you tried google or altavista.coms?

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  • luckykluckyk Member Posts: 11
    Hi folks,

    Got some 'been there, done that' for you if you'd like to hear it. It's not a 2001 or 02, nor is this a maint. room, but the host thought you might be interested in a 3 yr owner's experience, so far. (not good)

    Let me know.
  • sponsspons Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone know if the $2500 rebate and the extended powertrain warranty will still be in effect after the stated expiration date of 4/1/2002? I want to order a Dodge Grand Caravan ES but only if the current deals will still be in effect when I take delivery.

    Some dealers I have talked to say they have received a memo stating the current promotions will continue, but I don't know if I trust them to tell me the truth.
  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    I was shopping recently and my understanding was that you would get both on a factory order, but it should be a simple matter to have the dealer put it in writing.
  • tom_tom_ Member Posts: 25
    Rebates in NE Ohio for the Caravan are $2500. now thru April 30. The 7/100 is also thru April. Not sure where you live for the rebate but everyone should get the 7/100 no matter where they live.

    As long as you order your Caravan while the rebate & extended warranty are in effect, the discounts are locked in & you will get them, even if they're not in effect when you take delivery 4-6 weeks after ordering.
  • cookie55cookie55 Member Posts: 15
    I just bought 2002 Chrysler Voyager. Sticker was $23,715. Dickering btwn 2 dealers and with rebates closed deal at $19,500 (dlx conv.grp--power conv.grp.-- low back seats --side air bags ect.)from Ralph's Chrysler New Bedford Ma. The clincher was an additional $500 discount for proof of military service. Other daeler didn't mention this. I was told that Chrysler offers this discount sporadically and doesn't advertise it. I never heard of it but works for me.
  • sweingastsweingast Member Posts: 28
    I saw somewhere, probably an Edmunds review, someone complained that the DC minivan's headrest does not allow good fit with a child seat. The back of the car seat hits the head rest.

    For those who look at it realize that you should remove the headrest, turn it around and then put in facing the other direction. It should take 10 seconds to realized this (well ... 15 seconds for me).

    The nice thing about the DC headrests is that they are usable. My Acura had good looking headrests that were useless when I was rearended. My wife's old and cheap Mazda 323 had a safer design, but not as pretty.

    Just want to pass that along if someone needs to put in a child seat and not use to the system.

    I also like the DC's buckle that does not need those annoying "H" bars to keep tension. Much better than Grandma's '01 Toyota.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    Here's an update on the 2100 rpm resonance problem in 2001 AWD's. My source is someone who should know in a dealership. Please confirm anything I pass on here -- I can't vouch for it with firsthand knowledge.

    A "countermeasure driveshaft" is currently being field tested, and apparently looks promising. The TSB is in draft form. It will "go public" in approximately 90 days.

    My guess is that your dealership won't know a thing about it until the TSB is published, but you might want to check with them in 3 months +/-.

    Keep your fingers crossed.

    --rolfe.
  • paul164paul164 Member Posts: 11
    Rolfe, can you contact me privately on this issue (am in similar situation). pbegem@concentric.net is my e-mail - thanks alot!
  • retro5retro5 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2001 AWD Town & Country with about 12K miles. It makes a noise/vibration at around 2100 rpm. I brought it to a local dealer to have them investigate the noise. After confirming the vibration, they removed the drive shaft and took it for a test drive. With the drive shaft removed, there was no vibration.

    They ordered a complete new drive shaft (it is in two pieces) and were told that there was a back order of roughly 40 shafts. Two weeks later the dealer called to say that the part was made available and that they had received it.

    They replaced the shaft about one month ago and the vibration is gone. I am aware of it slightly in colder weather but for practical purposes, it is a non issue. The car seems to be fine.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    My 2001 GC ES AWD has always had a resonance/vibration at 2100 rpm, but after 10 or 12K miles, it developed an additional noise at the same rpm. I'd call this new noise a rattle. The dealer had been told by DC not to work on my vibration problem, but the rattle was cured by replacing the driveshaft. That did not affect the original vibration, however, nor did I or the dealer expect it to.

    I'm wondering if the "noise/vibration" you referred to is the same as my "rattle", and perhaps this is another manifestation of the same problem, or perhaps an unrelated problem with AWD.

    At 27K miles I hear a slight rattle coming back. If I had not heard it before, when it was much louder, I probably wouldn't pay any attention to it now. I'm kind of expecting it to get worse, since that's what happened before.

    --rolfe.
  • gwindygwindy Member Posts: 5
    Can you please provide a description of what I am looking for. I have complained about a loud noise when driving at 50 MPH at 2000 RPM. The van sounds like a truck.
  • gwindygwindy Member Posts: 5
    2001 AWD Grand Caravan
    Have been complaining about a humming and sqealing sound from the rear of the van. It occurs mostly when you stop and accelerate on turns. During teh past two weeks, the brake pressure has been intermitently failing. Just 1 week ago, the brakes failed at a red light and the van began to roll back despite pressing on the brake pedal. The dealers can not find a problem?
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    I apologize to those who have seen this description too many times, but here goes. It's been a while.

    This problem appears to be unique to 2001 T&C and GC vans WITH AWD ONLY. (A very few FWD owners will dispute this.) It is well understood by the DC engineers. It was corrected in 2002. I'm told they are working on a "fix" for 2001's as a TSB.

    Here's the description: when the vehicle has some load on it, like when traveling on the freeway or going up an incline at city speeds, at 2100 rpm there is a 'roar' or 'drone' type of sound Below about 2050 there is no such sound; above 2100 it rapidly diminishes and is pretty much gone about 2300 or 2400, although if the engine is working (still climbing or accelerating), you will still the engine -- just not the annoying low frequency resonance. If you live in a hilly area, like I do, the noise is frequent because 2000 rpm is pretty much where the transmission likes to keep things.

    I don't recall the specific speeds around town that are a problem -- it varies, depending on what gear you're in and whether the transmission is locked up. On the freeway, its at about 68mph in my vehicle. Frankly, my problem is more annoying at lower speeds. At 68mph wind and road noise tend to mask it.

    I suspect that there is some variation vehicle to vehicle, but I'm not positive.

    Sounding "like a truck" is not a bad description. To confirm that we're talking about the same phenomenon, try finding a hill that you can cruise up at a constant 2100 rpm. Should be somewhere between 30 and 35 mph or so. See if that's the same noise you hear at 50mph.

    --rolfe.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    To repeat my earlier post to bee mom, there is a TSB for a rear brake squeal problem. Press your dealer to show it to you.


    However, I don't believe it relates to brake performance, so you probably have an additional problem if not a different one altogether.


    In my case, I would hear the squeal for a few seconds when starting up from a stop, and only rarely. Other owners would complain that it occurs during low speed turns. The TSB mentions both situations, as I recall.


    If safety is a concern, and it sounds like it might be, you might want to acquaint yourself with your state's lemon law.


    http://www.carlemon.com/lemonstat.html


    Good luck.


    --rolfe.

  • gwindygwindy Member Posts: 5
    Rolfe
    Thanks for the help. They have both been very helpful.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Member Posts: 491
    I took my Ltd to Midas and they found nothing wrong with the brakes, actually it still has 50% of the brake pad after 9000 miles. They told me the squeaking might cause by the glaze forming on the pad. Anyway, they said it won't hurt the braking performance just annoy the heck out of you and other drivers next to your van.
  • erucehteruceht Member Posts: 26
    I am one of those "very few FWD owners who will dispute this" but I drove three FWD 2001 T&C Limited including the one I own and all of them displayed the classic 2100 RPM symptoms to some degree or another. I just hope the FWD models will be included in what ever fix they come up with.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    eruceht, I wouldn't hold my breath. I think the focus is on the AWD driveshaft (from what I hear). For your sake, I hope I'm wrong.

    My suspician is that something in all these vans (awd & fwd) has a natural frequency that corresponds to 2100 rpm. Hence the comments from owners like you. But the awd driveline manages to 'excite' it or become exicited at just the right rpm, making the vibration more pronounced.

    I'm expecting any 'fix' to be an attempt to dampen the vibration by absorbing energy rather than addressing the cause. Cheaper that way.

    --rolfe.
  • erucehteruceht Member Posts: 26
    Actually the noise/vibration in the FWD models isn't that bad and you wouldn't even notice it if the van wasn't so quite otherwise. Its only if you drive at that speed for extended periods which I don't, that it would be a real problem.

    However I am hearing a clicking/rubbing sort of noise coming somewhere the front of the van when turning at low speeds. Dealer says its normal but I don't think so. Anyone else experienced this?
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Member Posts: 491
    There is some pllastic cracking/tapping noise coming out of the steering wheel column and vibration from engine(?)that I can feel through the brake pedal while at the stop lights. I have a FWD LTD.
  • claywaterfillclaywaterfill Member Posts: 534
    Wouldn't you get a better discussion on this problem in the Town & Country board instead of the Voyager board? There are no AWD Voyagers, so we don't have this problem.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Chrysler Town and Country LX/LXi/Limited

    (Thanks for the suggestion, claywaterfill).

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  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I just got back from a trip to Germany where my wife and I picked up my new 530i in Munich. Yesterday, after dropping off my car at the shipper, E.H. Harms, who will bring it back here to the states, we got a ride in a 1998 "Chrysler Caravan" Taxi, which had something over 450,000 km (about 280,000 miles). This van looked to be in very nice shape (inside and out), ran strong and the owner/driver told me that he intended to keep it until it had approximately 800,000 km (500,000 miles), wow!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • toronado455toronado455 Member Posts: 83
    Does anyone know if the $2500 rebate will be reinstated after it expires April 30th?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Hard to know about the rebates. DC had a money-making quarter so they may think they can reduce or eliminate the rebates. But they may think the rebates helped make the quarter profitable, so....

    Anyone have a crystal ball?

    Chrysler Posts Quarterly Profit

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  • toronado455toronado455 Member Posts: 83
    I realize I'm probably somewhat OT with this comment but for what it's worth my 2WD 89 Caravan had a front end vibration when accelerating from 35 to 40 MPH which was only cured by replacing both axle half shafts (driveshafts).
  • toronado455toronado455 Member Posts: 83
    I'm looking for a new car and I've been renting vehicles as a way of doing longer term test drives. I'm trying to compare the short wheelbase to the long wheelbase. I would be interested in comments from anyone who may have done this same comparison. Last week I had a short wheelbase Caravan. Today I rented the Grand Caravan. The GC is, well, longer. It drives somewhat differently as a result of the longer wheelbase/overall length. I can sense a bit more weight in back particularly when accelerating or braking since the fore/aft pitch of the vehicle is slightly more noticeable than in the SWB. So far mostly what I notice is the a difference in the way the vehicle goes around turns. The larger turning radius obviously means wider turns but more interestingly there is something about the GC that feels more stable. I think it understeers more than the SWB which to me feels more secure. I'm not trying to imply that the SWB is tippy. To the contrary the SWB is a very secure driving vehicle. But the LWB is more limo like. Of course the downside of this is more tire scrub if you push it too hard (or as hard as SWB) in turns as the front end tends to plow forward. Granted my rental vehicle is equipped with the 15"/70 series wheel/tire and If I bought the LWB I would get the 16"/65 series setup.

    I'm also curious about gas mileage. The EPA ratings seem to be identical for a SWB/3.3 and a LWB/3.8. I seemed to get about 19 MPG in the SWB/3.3 which I drove with a heavy foot most of the time. I'm sure that could improve over time.

    Also of note are tranny issues. This GC rental has 8000 on the odo and has an occasional "hiccup" in the last few feet when coming to a stop as though it were slipping into neutral for a split second and then back into gear with a jerk. I also hear the "normal" buzz/flutter sound discussed in this forum when shifting from R to D and D to R. The SWB with 3000 on the odo exhibited none of the above tranny thingys.
  • gwindygwindy Member Posts: 5
    I wrote about an earlier problem with the Brake sin the 2001 GC AWD. The problem which the brakes lose pressure was intermittent and finally the brakes failed. The dealer contacted Dodge and there is a problem with the ABS Hydraulic Unit which they have seen occurring more frequently.
  • claywaterfillclaywaterfill Member Posts: 534
    I think the issue is simply: Do you need the space or not? We started looking at the Town & Country LX. When we noticed that a comparably equipped Voyager (same engine, transmission, stereo, tires and seating arrangement) was about $3000 less, we went with the the Voyager. All we gave up was ABS, rear air and the extra storage behind the third row. I've never locked up the brakes in my Voyager, no one has ever complained about being hot back there, and the space has only been an issue once in the 11 months we've had the van. Just get the van that best suits your needs and you'll be fine.
  • toronado455toronado455 Member Posts: 83
    I'm comparing the Voyager LX with at least options 25H, JPR, and CYG to the Town and Country eX. Without the rebate the price difference is only about $500 to $1500. It's usually closer to only a $500 difference since most of the Voyagers that have at least the options I want also have other options too. Without the rebate the decision is harder to make because it seems each vehicle has it's attributes and drawbacks.
  • claywaterfillclaywaterfill Member Posts: 534
    If those are your choices, get the T&C. For about a grand more, take the 3.8l six, the rear air, and the power liftgate and have a good one!
  • cavillercaviller Member Posts: 331
    If you own a 2002 Dodge/Chrysler minivan, can you please confirm how many standard and optional tether anchor locations exist for the second and third row seating? Also, are there any printed warnings about the number of children/carseats allowed in the third row?

    Some parents are being told by dealer and manufacurer that only one [or two] child/carseat may be installed in the 3rd row of the 2002 models. In addition, Chrysler apparently switched the number of factory installed tether anchors from three to one from MY2001 to MY2002.

    Any information on this would be appreciated. A scan of the relevant pages in the owner's manual would be great. Please no flames or attacks, I need the information to assist parents with proper carseat installation information. If you do have information, I'd appreciate a copy to the email address in my profile in addition to a response here. Thanks!
  • ycl1688ycl1688 Member Posts: 2
    What are Town & Country engines size ?
    Chrysler makes them ?
  • steelengsteeleng Member Posts: 71
    The Town & Country engine sizes are 3.3L(180hp) and 3.8L(210hp). Both of these engines are made by Chrysler and have been used in these vans for many years. In 2001 both engines were modified to increase horsepower from 158hp and 180hp respectively if I remember the old numbers correctly.

    The Chrysler Voyager and Dodge Caravan (short wheelbase models) come with either a 2.4L 4 cylinder engine or the 3.3L V6. I'm not sure on the horspower rating on the 4 cylinder. It is also made by Chrysler and has been in service for some time.
  • claywaterfillclaywaterfill Member Posts: 534
    I believe it has 150 horsepower. I know it had 150 a few years ago, and I couldn't imagine that they would take power away. I am certainly pleased with the 3.3l six in my 2001 Voyager, though.
  • 4aodge4aodge Member Posts: 288
    The 2.4 liter 4 cylinder engine found in the Caravan SE and some Voyager models is the same used by the PT Cruiser. Although it only has 150 horsepower, it does pretty well. We have no complaints about the 2.4 in our 2001 PT Cruiser Limited. It certainly goes when you want it to.

    Nor do I have any complaints about the 158hp 3.3 liter V6 in our Town & Country.

    -Adam
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Member Posts: 81
    Here's some info that might be interesting to those 2001 AWD owners who don't like the excessive noise and vibration (resonance) at 2100 rpm. As you may know, the 2002 models do not exhibit any excessive noise and vibration at 2100 rpm.

    The difference between the 2001 and 2002 model years is the PTU (power take-off unit) and the driveshaft. I don't know what's different, but suspect the newer ones are beefier somehow. At any rate, that's what DC changed to correct the original design problem (2001 model year) for the 2002 model year.

    I don't know at what point (2001 or 2002) the engineering change was implemented on the manufacturing line.

    --rolfe.
  • rponsetirponseti Member Posts: 35
    Can anyone tell me what is the best website to buy accessories for Caravans? I just bought a 2002 Grand Caravan Sport and was looking for some aftermarket stuff. Any help is appreciated.
    Richie
  • ncpetencpete Member Posts: 2
    My wife and I just took delivery of a brand new 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan with a trailer tow package. I need to install a brake controller for pulling our pop-up. I am having difficulty locating the 4 pin connector under the dash the controller hooks up to. Has anyone on this board done this to their GC yet? If so, please send detailed instrucions or pictures identifying the connector. Thanks in advance.
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