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  • chillenhondachillenhonda Member Posts: 105
    I sold my 1999 black EX-L 5-speed a few months ago. I agree that a 5-speed in such a car is not popular. It did take a few months to sell, but I found that the people who were looking for exactly that combination would pay just about anything (i.e little or no haggling). However, people not really interested would email me with ridiculous offers of 1000-3000 off the price, which, obviously, I would decline. When i bought the car tho, I wouldnt accept an automatic so I mean its all personal preference. and you might get lucky and sell it right away.
  • azorglubazorglub Member Posts: 43
    The AWD on the Accord is a great idea. I mean, just look at the following that Subaru has because of its AWD capability.

    In the same vein, does anybody know if Honda will ever release a wagon version of the Accord?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    hi, quick question for all of the 03/04 EX-V6 owners -

    SOMETIMES, maybe like 1 out of 4 times, when i first start up in the morning, take the car out of Park to Reverse to get out of my garage, the car seems to engage into Reverse....kind of hard, or harshly. like it goes into Reverse kind of fast. sometimes it goes in with less of a THUD. nothing is actually wrong with the performance, and my old Civic did the same, as did my Nissan Altima of years ago (though my auto VW's never did this).

    is this something everyone experiences? or am i just really sensitive? i admit, i am always listening and feeling for problems in my cars. i need to stop being so "mental"...but anyway, does anyone else have the occasional "slam" into Reverse sensation? if so, why do some automatics do that? is it hurting anything??

    thanks!
  • nw1997nw1997 Member Posts: 227
    justin,

       Is the car warmed up, or u just start wait ten seconds and put it into reverse?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i must say, it is usually:

    start car, wait like 5-10 seconds for idle to lower, and throw her in reverse.

    thanks.
  • nw1997nw1997 Member Posts: 227
    Justin,

        I had the same problem, because my garage wasn't heated. Now, I let her warm-up to normal temp. gauge reading, then take off. Give it a try and if continues, something else is wrong.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    We test drove an automatic 04 TL and loved it. Can't imagine how much we would like the 6-speed version with the summer tires and a black interior.

    We had a 1999 Accord EX 5-speed sedan (no leather) that we bought in January of 1999. We traded it in October of 2000 with 38,300 miles on it for a 2001 Accord EX V6 coupe. Dealer gave us the 01 coupe for invoice and gave us $14,200 for the 1999 which was $5000 less than we paid. We had a 2003 Accord EX-L 5-speed coupe bought in December of 2002 for $21,900 (price included almost every accessory available such as spoiler, fog lights, body-side molding, day/night mirror, chrome exhaust tip, and splash guards). We traded it with 16,500 miles in September 2003 for a 2004 Accord EX-L automatic sedan and the dealer gave us $17,500 and the new Accord a few hundred below invoice.

    This is our first automatic Accord so I can't compare resale value. But I don't think that the 5-speeds we have owned in the past have fared that badly. I'm sure we could've done even better selling privately but neither of us have the patience to do so. One thing to note is that in both of the above cases the dealer sold the car within a week or so of us trading them in. In the case of the 2003 I don't think it even made it onto the lot before someone (maybe an employee) bought it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Why do you trade so much and get the same vehicle? You're pretty much throwing money out the window? But hey, to each his/her own...
    Im curious as to your bizarre (impractical for the majority of people) purchasing practices...

    ~alpha
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Our new Honda track record is rather interesting though. Fully separate from the used vehicles we've owned.

    First came the 1998 Civic EX Sedan. Nice car but had a strange defect in the trunk area that would have required bodywork to fix. Honda gave us a $1000 and...

    A 1999 Accord EX Sedan at cost. It worked out quite nicely. Until the....

    2001 EX coupes came out. Very nice car. They gave us a nice deal and the interest rate was low so we bought a black V6. But we hated the transmission. So we sold it to Carmax. Bought a new Protege for a while. Hated the engine. Traded it for a used Civic Si Coupe. Then the Ep hatch version came out. So we traded the coupe for a hatch. Drove it for 1500 miles until someone pulled out in front of her and totalled it. Insurance paid off the whole thing including the negative from all the trading (there wasn't much since Si's were being given away). Bought a second Si hatch that kept rolling down hills...

    During that time I had bought a black 03 coupe. But I saw a 95 GS300 that I wanted so she took my coupe and I traded the Civic Si for the Lexus. Soon thereafter we bought a new house and immediately became pregnant. So we traded the 03 coupe for...

    An 04 EX-L sedan. Love it.

    There have been other cars on my side during that time but that's another story.

    As for our purchasing practices...We make sure we never trade a car on something that will keep us overwhelmingly upside down. Like our 04 Accord. We are only about $2500 in the hole right now. Easily roll able into another loan without financing more than the MSRP on anything new we might want to trade for. With interest rates so low right now, we could probably afford a $35-40,000 car each right now. But I drive a 03 Civic, she drives the Accord and I have a paid for 94 LS400 that I've put less than 10K miles on in 2.5 years. We're doing much better than the year 2000 when we were paying $1200 month in car notes.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Thanks to all for the anecdotes regarding resale. I am encouraged. I love the car so it stands to reason others would and would be eager to buy. I do have a few friends who are sedan stick buyers who have asked for first dibs if I ever sell it. Not that I am planning to sell soon - I just paid it off this week!

    Sticks seem to do best on sporty cars. The Accord 4 door is sort of sporty but not excessively so. Stealth sporty. :-)

    I have had dealers flat out tell me, except for 2 doors, sticks do not sell well.

    Like many, I seek that balance of practicality and fun. An Accord Sedan with a stick is practical but has a slight lean towards fun.

    I am not sure what other cars have that and decent space. TL? TSX? Altima? Maxima? WRX? Maybe new 2005 Legacy?
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    You can cross the WRX off the list if you want any appreciable rear seat room. TSX might be questionable also, but its fine for me, and probably the most well balanced currently available car in your group. HOWEVER, Im a huge fan of the 2005 Legacy GT (AWD, 250hp and 250 foot pounds of twist, $26,570 w/o sunroof and leather, $29,070 plus that and more). DEFINITELY check it out.

    ~alpha
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    Just looked at that video of the 05 Accord. Seems like Honda is really going after the GM customer with the Saturn look on the 05 after the Buick look on the 03/04.

    I don't think Honda customers buy Accords for GM styling. What is Honda thinking?
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    You hit the nail on the head. Very Saturn-esque.
    Are we sure this is the 2005 edition that the US will see?

    ~alpha
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    The Honda "design language" has so far suggested the company marches mostly to its own beat, save for BMW 3-series influences in the previous Civic coupe and interior design themes across many Honda models.

    Contrast that with the obvious imitation of the previous gen MB S-class by the Lexus LS430, and the cloning-gone-wrong by Kia Amanti of the MB E-class.

    That there is some Honda similarity with other cars appears to be more the result of design soundness rather than imitation. Examples: 7th gen Accord coupe and Mercury Cougar; 7th gen Accord nose with previous Kia Rio model. Note: the 7th gen Accord came after those other brands.
  • reidjreidj Member Posts: 5
    I have a '03 EX V6 that for the past few months the headlights have been flickering. I took it in to get the alternator checked (or anything else that might cause it) The dealer says that he could find nothing wrong with the electrical system. He said that he tested out the voltage all over the place and it was fine. He was saying that it was a known problem with the 7th gen Accords, and there was nothing I could do about it. Has anybody else noticed this?

    I don't think it is a major electrical problem or else my navigation system would seem to have a lot of problems. It only seems to have problems with the dimming lights. Sometimes they go very dim. It is a safety issue that I do not want to accept a "There's nothing we can do about it." Any thoughts?
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    No, BMW ripped off Honda if anything. The 96 Civic Coupe came out in 95 and the current 99 3 Series came out in 98. So who's copying who there?

    The Accord Coupe looks like a Mercedes CLK not a cougar.

    With the 03 Accord front end I'll disagree the current front end of the Accord is a family resemblance to the 01 Civic.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Our 2 perspectives confirm the adage that style is subjective. You'll need to consider though the previous gen 3 series (which was my reference) as the styling influence to the Civic
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    was an influence for the previous generation Civic? The 96 Civic Coupe looks rounder around the edges than the 92 3 series does. If any car was influenced by the 92 3 Series it was the 99 Mitsu Galant which I think was styled by BMW anyway. I think the 99 3 Series and 96 Civic Coupe have more in common in terms of bodystyle than the 92 3 Series and 96 Civic Coupe do. Finally, the 99 Series looks more rounder than the 92 model. Notice how I said earlier in this post how the 96 Civic looks more rounder than the 92 3 Series does in terms of the shape of the bodystyle. I know its hard to understand but you know what I am saying right?
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    At this point in the game, all cars have some styling cues from other cars.
  • bycbyc Member Posts: 2
    http://www.imediaconnection.com/content/cs/honda/051303/honda.htm- l
    Is 7th generation Accord wagon available in North America?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "Is 7th generation Accord wagon available in North America?"

    No, because it's based on the JDM Accord, which isn't the version of the Accord sold in North America. The Accord sold in North America is the larger USDM version, which doesn't come in a wagon. If I'm not mistaken, the version of the Accord sold in North America is closely related to the version sold in Taiwan.

    A variant of the JDM Accord sedan is sold in North America as the Acura TSX. Given that there seems to be a resurgence in demand for "sport wagons", I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX sport wagon became available sometime in the future. Just speculation on my part...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    gee35coupe May 1, 2004 1:32am

    Leased a 04 Odyssey EX with factory DVD. Had the 1500 down 259 a month offer that could not be turned down. I skipped the down payment so its $333 for 24 months. I figure thats 3 oil changes worth of maint and I turn it in. I'll save getting that SUV I wanted for a while. Can you believe the insurance is only $200/6 months??? WOW!!!
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    What car did you trade in the Civic, Accord Sedan, or the LS? Just curious. You sure love your Honda's thats for sure.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Actually ... we didn't trade anything .... we are just addicts. The 6 month car buying bug bit us at the same time I saw the special lease deal from Honda. Maybe I can convince gee to sell his LS .... nah, that won't happen.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
  • dmbst68dmbst68 Member Posts: 50
    Is it possible to have the 3 spoke steering wheel from the 2004 Accord Coupe installed in the 2004 Accord Sedan? The sedan's 4 spoke is nice, but I like the look of the 3 spoke, i.e. the Acura TSX's wheel. How much would this cost? Is it as simple as swapping out the steering wheels?
  • snarkssnarks Member Posts: 207
    No simple switch since their is an airbag involved. The air bag in a TSX is probably designed differently than an Accords due to difference in car configuration etc. Don't bother.
  • dmbst68dmbst68 Member Posts: 50
    Snarks:

    I should've clarified ... Can the 3 spoke from the coupe be swapped into the sedan? My comment about the TSX's steering wheel was only meant to imply that I liked it's look, that's all...not trying to install a TSX steering wheel on an Accord Sedan.

    So...does know whether or not the coupe's wheel can be installed on the sedan? thanks...
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I'm curious- does anyone here know if Honda has any plans to offer a Value Package for the Accord DX for 2005? I vaguely remember a Special or Value Edition of the previous generation Accord DX.. but that one only had the 135hp 2.3L engine.

    I'd be all over a hypothetical 2005 Accord DX VP- what with standard ABS and side curtains on all 2005 Accords... I'd like my wish list VP to include just 3 items:

    Air Conditioning
    Power Locks (no need for keyless)
    Rear Stabilizer Bar

    If such a pkg could be had for say, $1300 MSRP/ about $1000 invoice, this car would be a STEAL. And with the 5M and rear anti-roll bar, itd handle and be just as fun as a Honda should.

    Just something to think about.. Ive not seen the board so comparatively dead in some time.

    :)
    ~alpha01
  • jcat707jcat707 Member Posts: 169
    What is a rear stabilizer bar? What does it do?
  • tlaurotlauro Member Posts: 504
    Follow this link.

    http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/swaybars.htm
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Thanks--interesting stuff! A good reason to buy the Accord LX or EX because the DX doesn't have a rear sway bar.....Richard
  • woosailorwoosailor Member Posts: 3
    Made an appointment for the 90K checkup for my much beloved '93 Accord EX today and they said it would be $450 to check the belts ( all OK), change the fluids, check the brake pads, change the plugs and look things over.....Love this car but $450 !!!! I am not mechanical, just know a great car when I have one.
    Any ideas if this is as outrageous as it seems or justified?
    Many thanks in advance
    Alan
  • stacey_burkestacey_burke Member Posts: 88
    I'm sure a number of people will say the same thing - IF you have a good independent mach. they will do it for much less. The key is if you trust them. I have had 3 honda's and we live about 1 hour from the dealer, so I have all my work done at a local shop. They have done great and the price is about 1/2 to 1/3 as much.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    For that price, it should include the replacement of dist. cap & rotor.
    It cost me around $350 for 60k tune-up for my 89 Accord. But it was more 9 years ago. I still have the invoice for it. ;-)
    Fuel filter replacement is extra.
    I don't think it's outrageous.
    A local shop would probably charge you less.
  • filodfilod Member Posts: 189
    Stats for cars I always consider when I buy -

    Period is YTD Apr 2004, % vs YTD Apr 03
    1. Camry 130,647, 3% more than last year
    2. Accord 114,491, (9%) less than last year
    3. Altima 78,625, 24% more than last year
    4. Mazda6 20,565, 53% more than last year
    5. Acura TL 25,331, 43% more than last year
    6. Maxima 21,625, (27%) less than last year

    I own a 03 Accord myself and we can have different interpretation of what the stats mean i.e. TL is really a new model over last year, Mazda6 is etc., or Camry is doing the right thing in terms of its target market?

    Am I worried Accord is experiencing a decline? Nope, I hope Honda notices it and maybe they can do some improvement for the next generation of accord when I start to change my car. If I own a Maxima (I liked the car too), will I be worried it took a big dip? No, again, that should worry Nissan not me. They better improve their product (design maybe, quality maybe) and this will be to our advantage as consumers!
    It is good for us car buyers that they compete with one another. Mazda is doing well and that is good news, although when I considered last year, I preferred the accord over the 6 and Camry with my own reasons, and looking back it still holds true.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    With around 16,000 miles on my 2004 Accord I have no regrets about spending that $22,000. The Accord isn't perfect but there are $80,000 cars that aren't perfect as well. For me, it was the best in it's class. Sure I wish Honda offered a V6 6-speed sedan but that would've just made me spend more money therefore I am grateful that they do not offer that combination. Especially with gas prices edging closer and closer to that $2.00 p/ gallon mark even here in Georgia.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    rebates as large as $1500. The Accord may have money coming back somewhere but it's not being advertised. I have no issue with people choosing other cars when you should be able to get any of them for as much as $1500 under invoice including the rebate. Psychologically it would be a boost to think you were getting a great deal like that.
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    About 2 months ago, "scottdude" posted that the Accord 6 CD changer, can NOT play CD-Rs. In response, a few people answered anecdotally and generally that CD-Rs can work in Accords, but no one mentioned specifically that they work in the '03-'04 CD changer that "scottdude" was referring to. As a potential buyer of an Accord with this CD changer, I was hoping some of you might be able to answer this specifically: have you been able to get the '03-'04 Accord with factory CD changer to play CD-R's?

    If they actually do work, does anyone know why the manual says otherwise? Someone else on another board mentioned that CD-Rs can harm CD changers by interfering with the load/unload mechanism. Any comments on this would be appreciated.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    I burned a couple of CD-Rs from my iMac: one was a copy of a favorite CD and the other was a CD of midi files I downloaded from the internet and then converted from MIDI to MP3 sound files which could be burned to a CD-R (midi files aren't sound files and must be "recorded" first to a sound file type before they can be burned into a CD). Both of these CD-Rs play in my '04 Accord EX-L factory CD player.

    I usually listen to the XM radio now, so haven't played CDs in a while, but yes, indeed, your CD-Rs should work just fine in the new Accord's factory CD player. I didn't see in the manual where this wasn't the case--maybe I missed something?....Richard
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "As a potential buyer of an Accord with this CD changer, I was hoping some of you might be able to answer this specifically: have you been able to get the '03-'04 Accord with factory CD changer to play CD-R's?"

    I've created some mix CDs from downloads from the Rhapsody service, and I play them in the CD changer in my '03 Accord EX V6 all the time... never had any problems whatsoever. I don't recall seeing any warnings about using CD-Rs in the unit either.

    If some people have had issues with CD-Rs, I suspect it might be due to inadvertantly using a multi-session CD that wasn't closed out. Many audio CD players have problems with such a CD.
  • harveythepoohharveythepooh Member Posts: 2
    I just purchased an Accord V6-EX (no Nav). This Accord has the 6 CD changer. I have a GREAT deal of digital music and burned 3 CDs yesterday using Apple's iTunes on 52X CD-R media. The CDs play perfectly well on the Accord's sound system.

    While some new auto CD players are capable of playing MP3 encoded CDs, the player on the Accord is not MP3 capable. That is unfornuate .. You can get up to 10 CDs worth of music on one CD with only barely perceptable loss in music quality
  • zitchzitch Member Posts: 55
    You can get an MP3-CD player put in your 03-04 Accord, like I did with my 03 Accord LX. It goes into the little cubby under the Volume/AC control knobs.

    Obviously, it will play CD-Rs (You have to burn an MP3-CD, duh... :) ), but I find that mine will also play CD-RWs when it says that it can't in the manual!

    It's pretty nice, cause I still have the regular CD player available if I want to pop in a regular CD.

    image
  • frankbailiefrankbailie Member Posts: 26
    I drive a 2003 Accord ex and the only problem I have with it is excessive brake dust. I clean the Mags about every week but within one or two days the greasy film reappears. My dealer tells me this is a problem with the 2003 which has been corrected with the 2004's. The brake discs have been redesigned and different pads have been used. There is nothing they can do to correct the problem with my car. They did say that the 2004 pads would not last as long as the pads on the 2003 so I guess this is a bit of a tradeoff. Anyone heard of this?
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Every other midsize is NOT offering $1500 Cash Back, that was somewhat of a blanket statement. Toyota rebates are regional, and in my area, the Camry is $1000 rebate OR up to 2.9% for 60 months. The 2005 Altima does not carry a rebate, though remaining 2004s (scant) do.

    ~alpha
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    That VP Accord you proposed would be a car few people would buy especially with a five speed.

    And most buyers have no idea what a rear stablizer bar is or what it does. Matter of fact, I can't really feel any difference.
  • jeffrey15jeffrey15 Member Posts: 61
    My Accord seems to do this is as well, altough I can't seem to get it to do it at will which would be required for dealer to actually do something. Let me know if you actually get anywhere.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    In my area the Camry has rebates. I got the info off Edmunds by entering my zip code. And there are dealerships offering 04 Camrys LE automatics for 15,975. No stock number teaser ad either. On the opposite page there are Accord LX ads for $18,500.
    Just turned the page and found another add and saw Sandy Spring Toyota has em for $15,788 with 100 available.

    Sutherlin (Autonation) is still advertising 04 Altimas too. My point is that Honda is advertising NO rebates or cash back, while everyone else has rebates listed. At least in the southeast.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The 2005 Altima does have a $500 college grad rebate right now.
  • tlaurotlauro Member Posts: 504
    if you can't feel any difference, then you haven't installed an upgraded sway bar on the 03-04 accords. There's a huge difference in the handling of the car when just upgrading from the stock little 16mm bar to a 20 or 22mm bar. huge.

    tim

    2003 Taffeta White & Ivory AV6 EX Sedan w/Navi
    3M Clear Protection Bra on all sides
    17" Honda Rims / Michellin Pilots / Locking Lugs
    AEM CAI (86'd the Injen)
    Greddy E-Manage Fuel/VTEC Control
    04 TL Sway Bars, Front & Rear
    6spd Strut Tower Brace
    Catz Rising White 4300k HID's
    OEM Rear Wing
    Shaved Emblems but with Gold H's
    Door Visors, Moonroof Visor and Mud Gaurds
    Black Diamond Shaped Grille-Tech
    Viper Remote Starter / Alarm w/ Batt. Backup
    Eclipse Components & 6x9's w/Eclipse Amp & Kicker 10"Solo-Baric Sub w/Kicker Amp

    "And most buyers have no idea what a rear stablizer bar is or what it does. Matter of fact, I can't really feel any difference. "
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