Older Honda Accords

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  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    No, it's the design problem. The rotors are too small and easily warped when heat builds up.
    If I want to have the front brakes free of pulsation, I need to have them turned every 12K miles.

    Honda fixed this problem on the next generation by using larger rotors. My friend owns a 90 Accord. Its original rotors and pads lasted 45K.
    He drove like a maniac (sp?) and still does.

    I haven't had any brake issues with my 03EXV6 yet since the car hasn't been used in a daily commute. Still keep my fingers crossed.

    Consumer Reports gave a bad mark for brakes because there are enough 86-89 Accord owners put down the brake problems on the CR's annual survey.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    what stinks is that my Accord brakes feel great anywhere under 50 mph. nice and smooth and stable. its not until you need them at highway speeds that the pedal vibrates. which is, of course, an important time to have confidence in your brakes.
  • cyniccynic Member Posts: 72
    I am not sure about the millions ... but on 2002 EX V6, the only problem I had was the CD changer going down ... currently at 43000 miles ... at 35k I was told that my front brakes were at 90% ... transmission always has been a bit jerky ... but it hasn't failed ... so I am for one can't really complain ...
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i want your brake pads/rotors :) actually, i want your car, haha. yeah, the old automatics weren't known for their smoothness. at least you have the extended warranty on it i believe. hopefully they will extend the warranty on the 2003 models too.
  • cyniccynic Member Posts: 72
    :) Actually, I believe 2002 is the only year not covered. As for my car, I am leasing it ... so sometime in late October/early November it would be available :)
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    Here are a few facts:
    1) every car/truck sold in America must meet FMVSS 105 or 135, which mandates maximum stopping distances from 30 & 60 mph at a maximum pedal force. So from a legal standpoint, there is no such thing as "underdesigned brakes."

    2) If you can lock your wheels (or activate ABS), then installing "larger" brakes won't reduce your stopping distance unless you improve the tire/road interface.

    3) Brake system complaints are the #1 or #2 warranty item for the US manufacturers. I don't know about the Asian companies but I suspect they have similar issues.

    4) The company I work for employs many PhD engineers who are trying to solve the problems of brake noise and roughness.

    5) The maximum DTV (disc thickness variation) for rotors we sell is about 40 microns. A micron is 1 millionth of a meter.

    6) The reason cars have brake issues are too numerous to count.

    As Linda Richman used to say on SNL "discuss."
  • stacey_burkestacey_burke Member Posts: 88
    Well, I for one will tell you that the honda is a great car. I leased a 1998 and had it for 3 years with not one problem. Then leased a 2001 same story, now I bought a new 2004 and it is the best one of all. Also bought a 1999 LX V6 on ebay. It was a flood damaged car with a salvaged title. It had 14,000 miles on it when purchased and I now have 93,000 miles. So far I have had 3 things go wrong. Replaced Brake pads-worn out. And replaced both of the oxygen sensors about 6 months after buying the car. Great car – drives fine and I hope to get 150,000 miles out of it. Blue book is still more than $2,000 more than what I paid for the car 3.5 years and 80,000 miles ago.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    justin: What makes your experience with your two Hondas any more relevant than our experience with 20 Hondas? We've had a pretty good sample of different years and models and so far our brakes have been fine (knock on wood).
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    previously. There's really not much that can be said. You don't like your brakes. Okay. But the majority of us have no issues. I feel your pain.

    There's a guy in the Mazda6 room now that claims they too have widespread issues. My God how did people stop those 2 ton behemoths in the 70's on all drums?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    well, of course my car STOPS. but, not in a very comforting way. when it starts all the vibrating and noise making, it is quite disconcerting. especially when you having passengers looking at you like we just hit bad turbulance or something :)

    but yes, i know my car stops well enough to be "legal" in the U.S.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    We don't need to keep saying the same things over and over - if even one person has a problem and wants to discuss it here, that person is welcome to do so. People who don't have the problem do not need to keep saying that they don't.

    Thanks.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    When I managed a large auto repair facility, we did a lot of brake jobs. We guaranteed the pads and shoes for 25,000 miles.

    The vast majority of times we never had to do any warranty replacements. Other customers were back month after month with brake problems. Sometimes the rotors and drums were blue from heat damage and the pads were cooked.

    Of course, some makes and models were worse than others but usually premature brake problems were clearly the result of the way the car was driven.

    Any mechanic/technician will back me up on this without question.

    Of course, the customers would never agree they could be at least partially to blame. I remember in some cases, I would make the decision to simply refund the customer's money and suggest they have another shop do the work.

    People who drive their automatic transmission cars using two feet are the worst at this.

    BTW, I just sold my 99 EX V-6 coupe. 54,000 miles, original front pads. Last checked at 52,000 miles with 4MM (out of 10)pad remaining.

    Your results may vary...
  • hmurphyhmurphy Member Posts: 278
    Isell,

    What would you have said to a longtime customer of your repair shop who had gone through several cars with absolutely no brake problems, and then began having regular brake problems with a new car?

    How would you explain that situation?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    you said it as clear as it could be said. basically, the Honda Accord SEDAN is supposed to be driven in some secret Honda approved way. :)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Since that never happened, I don't know what I would have said.

    Funny, how some people can't come to grips with the fact it just may have something to do with the way they drive.

    Some people will get 40,000 out of a clutch and others will go 200,000 miles.

    " It's not my fault" seems to be Justin's much repeated mantra in every Honda forum he can find.

    I've checked with the guys in our shop and there is no widespread brake problem with Accords like he seems to be having.

    So, I don't know what is happening but I do have my suspecions.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    that would be because out of all of my cars i have owned, it is ONLY the Honda Accord sedan that has given me problems. and i didn't purchase the Honda Accord and suddenly find a different way to press a brake pedal. so, why is the Accord the ONLY car i have owned that gives ME the problem?

    funny how people can't seem to get their minds about that most basic principle of logic.

    i have yet to have ANYONE come up with an answer to that question. people ignore that question, and i guess i would too if i was wrong.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Then maybe it's your dealer. Have you taken the car to more than one dealer? Have you tried taking it to an independent shop just to get an opinion?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    it has only been in one dealer, with the regional Honda service rep. he readily admits that there is a problem. but that Honda can't/won't fix it. its a long standing issue with Honda on lots of models. i know lots of people just live with it, as someone here said, and i am living with it for now, but i feel that i should tell as many potential Honda buyers as possible so they aren't shafted like the rest of us feel we were. if someone asks "how do you like your Accord?" or "should i buy an Accord?", i have to be honest.

    i did call another dealer, and they were like "we can look at your car, but you know as well as we do that we will resurface rotors and send you on your way".

    i figure, next time i go in, i will get new rotors (Honda has preapproved that on a case #). then those will get resurfaced every 2-3k miles, then get new rotors again when they are worn down. my regional rep pointed out to me, the way it works, i won't actually have to PAY for repairs ever, because rotors come with a 12k parts warranty. and the frequency of my repairs is 2-3k miles. i guess that is one sort of good thing - that i won't ever be out of a warranty on brakes :) i guess i would be at 36k for other brake parts like ABS and stuff.

    it does take time out of your day though, and that stinks. who knows, if the engine stays as good as it is, and they can fix my airbag and rattles to my satisfaction, i might actually eventually try out aftermarket parts if i decide to keep the car. makes my stomach hurt just thinking of it though.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    My Integra had its first front brake pad replacement earlier this year at 175,000 miles (rears only lasted 90,000 though). Clutch is still original. Manual trans cars are not as hard on brakes though.

    It is definately how you drive. My Scirocco front pads lasted 130,000 miles. The first owner replaced the clutch at 40,000 shortly before I bought the car, and that clutch was still fine when I sold the car with 170,000 miles.

    BTW every time your rotors are resurfaced they get thinner and are that much more likely to warp.
  • nedlyjnedlyj Member Posts: 89
    C'mon everyone - this is getting silly telling people "it's definitely how you drive" when you're not even comparing it with the same car.

    There are many factors that determine brake wear, and one of them "is" the way you drive, but it's not the only factor. And when people have other cars where they experience significantly different results than with their Honda, then Yes, that experience does count for something.

    My wife's previous two cars didn't have brake pads replaced earlier than 50K miles, and the rotors only got turned once in 80K miles. On the Odyssey, she's been through 5 sets of pads and two rotor turns in 80K miles. She hasn't changed how she drives enough to go through 5 times the number of pads. Sorry - that's not the only explanation.

    It's a complicated matter. I'm not complaining about the brakes, because we just accept the frequency of pad replacement as a "Honda thing" - but that doesn't make it right. And it certainly doesn't make the excess wear our fault when no other car in our possession exhibits the problem.

    Sorry, but I'm just getting tired of all the offhand remarks that "it's the way you drive". That's definitely not the whole story.

    -n
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Anybody wanna talk about somethings besides brakes? Please??
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,635
    Does anyone know if the 06 Accord will have a slight styling change? Seems likely, since back in the days when the Accord was on a 4-year design cycle, they would give it an update halfway through. I own an 02, and I remember that the grill was slightly redone in 01 or 00. I really like the new Accord from every angle except the front. It's ok from the front too, and in fact the look has grown on me, but I'm wondering if a little restyle might make it better. Although it's hard to imagine what they would do and keep the same shape hood, bumper, etc. Also any other upgrades expected on the 06, like a few more hp?

    My 02 Accord has gone 22k in two years. Not a single problem with it, and I got 26 mpg in the city (with AC most of the time) on my last tank of gas (manual trans).
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Honda refreshed are usually done for the fourth model year. Then the fifth model year will see a special edition.
  • rcc8179rcc8179 Member Posts: 131
    I don't know that I would count on a refresh for 2006. The 2005s have different taillights (solid red instead of red/white) and airbags all around. I would assume this is their mid-cycle refresh. It is a step backward in my opinion--I think the red/white taillights are okay, but the solid red ones look worse.

    When the refreshed 2001s came out, the only noticeable difference was the taillights (turn signals changed from top to bottom and from amber to white lenses).
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    the front was noticably different in the 01 Accords as well.

    The Civic received slightly different tail lights for the 03 model year as well as interior upgrades but they still freshened the styling for the 04 MY.
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    Do you guys turn off the overdrive when you drive in the city and turn it on when you get on the freeway? I heard that it's not good to keep the overdrive on all the time. Is this true?
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    By overdrive, do you mean the automatic transmission's top gears?

    If so, put the transmission in its "D" position for almost all driving and leave it there (see owner's manual for the few times you might choose a different gear).

    The transmission "knows" when to shift and you don't need to do anything under most driving situations.

    You bought an automatic so you wouldn't have to shift gears, so enjoy the driving ease of your automatic.....Richard
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    If you decide to go with after market parts use "cross-drilled" rotors. They can handle a higher level of heat. Also use the brake pads recommended by the rotor manufacturer. -----Just a suggestion.
  • greathannygreathanny Member Posts: 17
    Transmission - Any thoughts on whether the 2005 V6 transmission will be fixed or whether it will be swallowed up in Honda's massive transmission recall? Is it safe to buy a 2005 now or should I wait for a mid-2005 model or 2006 model (i.e., give Honda time to fix the transmission appropriately)?

    Rattles? Has anyone who purchased a 2005 model noticed rattles/squeaks or do you think that these are fixed in the 2005 model year?

    Thanks in advance for your input.
  • nedlyjnedlyj Member Posts: 89
    I'm assuming the '05 transmissions are fixed, based on the fact that my just-purchased '04 (August manufacture date) didn't require the recall. I had the service department check, and they said my VIN came later than the recall range.

    -n
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    My bookmark used to take me to a screen where I selected read subscriptions. Starting a couple days ago, it now takes me to a sign in screen, even though I am already signed in. What's up?
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    It's a bug that's being worked on - see the Our Software discussion for the conversation about what's going on.

    It is annoying me too. :)
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    My understanding is that is it advisable to shift to D3 when your driving is goint to be under 40 MPH to keep the transmission from "hunting" excessively and generating more heat. I usually leave it in D3 for city use and very rarely exceed 3K rpm. On other hand I don't think it is "required", just a personal choice.
  • alcatrazt2alcatrazt2 Member Posts: 70
    Hello: I am going to purchase a Honda Accord 4-Door (NON-Hybrid). I heard, on this forum, that there is some kind of a recall? What year is it for? Can you please tell me is this regarding the coupe/sedan, which package, and most important of all weather it is for the 4 or 6 cylinder. Thanks.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    It affects gen 7 V6 automatic Accords, regardless of package or body style. All 2003 V6 automatic Accords, and early 2004 V6 automatic Accords are affected by the recall. If you would be looking at a 2004, you can check the VIN number with Honda to see if it's affected.

    The 4-cylinder Accord hasn't been included in this recall.

    The problem is the possibility of excessive heat in second gear due to insufficient lubrication under some very specific conditions. A fix for this was implemented in production sometime early this year. For potentially affected Accords, the dealer will inspect second gear for signs of overheating. If it shows any such signs, the transmission will be replaced. If it doesn't, an oil jet modification is performed to increase lubrication to second gear.
  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    It's been a long time since I've had a car that had a 'hunting' problem. Course, my Accord is a V6, maybe a 4 cylinder might have this problem.

    Put it in D and leave it.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    to be perfectly frank, just do your homework when it comes to purchasing an automatic transmission Accord. they have had widespread transmission problems since 1998. it would be nice to think it is FINALLY fixed, but, they had over 4 years to get the old 4 speed autos fixed, and all of the Gen 6 cars ended up being problematic. to top it off, they then introduced a faulty 5 speed auto for Gen 7, knowing their weaknesses in that area, and didn't do enough "testing" i guess.

    when it comes to Hondas and automatic transmissions, not enough evidence out there to say that 2005 are indeed truly fixed. i mean, we don't know for sure that the recall actually helps anything. only miles and time will tell. you can be sure if a late model 04 has the problem, the news will be all over it, and these boards will light up like a Christmas tree :) ditto for those 03's that get the recall work done and still have problems.

    rattles? i think that has to do with what robot or person put the that particular piece of the car together that day....some people have rattles galore, and some claim to not have any at all.

    good luck!
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    My '04 EX-L 4 cyl. sedan AT has no hunting problem which was an annoyance with every other AT car I've had prior to buying the Honda.

    Example: drove yesterday on a steep winding hill (up Mt. Tamalpias in Mill Valley, CA). There are plenty of "S" curves going uphill, but couldn't feel much shifting--lots of power from the 4 cylinder engine, too--quiet and smooth all the way up.

    Return trip going down the mountain was controlled by automatic downshifts when using the brakes--the Accord doesn't run away in overdrive gears going down hill.

    My impression is that the "grade logic" feature on the 4 cyl. AT Accord works very well and makes most other AT cars feel clunky by comparison (I was ready to buy a Mazda 6i but changed my mind because its AT was like an old Ford and couldn't figure out what gear it should be in when climbing winding hills).

    With respect to the Honda Accord, I'd suggest leaving the transmission in "D" and enjoying the ride.......Richard
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i find that my car does just fine in "D" as well. the grade logic WORKS, but can be scary for drivers that haven't experienced it. of course, the V6 doesn't need to shift to pass anything really, so it wouldn't need to hunt for gears.

    love that 240 hp and 24mpg city :)
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Was one of the main reasons I wanted to get rid of our auto 4 cyl Accord.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    However, the automatic 4 cylinder did do a lot less hunting when we started using plus fuel (89) instead of regular octane.
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    I do have a V6 and it will shift to 4th gear at fairly low speeds, causing a down shift when a little extra is called for. Leaving it in D3 seems to eliminate the extra shift and still doesn't overrev the engine in around town driving up to 40 mph or so. Extra shifts cause extra heat. Even the V6 downshifts to pass (right up to the 70+ mph range) if you step on it. thank goodness it does. Grade logic does work and is only a pain on slippery roads during firm slowing or stopping.
  • mikesidmikesid Member Posts: 29
    I am about to get my new honda w/navi and was wondering how everyone likes it? I had a magellan 750 nav in my old honda and was wondering how the integrated system compares to other navi systems? Is it easy to use, does it have maps for out of reach places, any bugs, etc?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    From what I have read the Honda NAV system is one of the most comprehensive and advanced systems on the market. Make sure you play with the NAV in the Accord before you buy it to make sure it is worth it to you.
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    My 04 Camry rattles and it's very annoying. Does the Accord do the same thing? If so, what have you guys done about it? I absolutely have no complaints about the car except for the rattles.
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Member Posts: 503
    My '03 Accord with 30k miles had several rattles (about 10 locations) which were fixed under warranty. Car is tight as a drum now.
  • acehaceh Member Posts: 3
    Is it possible to purchase a Honda EX V-6 Automatic Transmission with CLOTH seats as opposed to the Leather? Leather seats are just not conducive to all climates. In a region of the U.S. where it's particularly HOT, Leather seats may not be a good choice but one may still want the features packaged with the EX model.
    Because of this, car makers should have "regional choices".
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    sure, if you "step on it", it is going to downshift. my point was, you don't have to "step on it", to get it to move quickly. at least i don't. thats a good thing!
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    I am sorry, but you just can't. It would be intereting if you could.

    Honda's approach has always been to build cars by model trims with few to NO options.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Yesterday, while sitting in our 2003 4 cylinder Accord and drinking a cup of flavored coffee by the river, I decided to research "timing belt maintenance" in the Honda Owner's Manual for this vehicle. There was a recommendation for the V6 engine, but there was no mention of "timing belt service" for the 4 cylinder engine. I thought that was "very strange", so I got on my cell phone to Honda Corporate and asked some questions. It seems that the 2003 4 cylinder Accord engine DOES NOT have a timing belt. It has a timing chain, and this chain should last 100,000 miles.
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