Older Honda Accords

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  • mitchfloridamitchflorida Member Posts: 420
    I added some some custom sheepskin seat covers on my EX . . with very satisfactory results. Plus, you keep the leather in immaculate condition should you choose to trade it in. Most used car buyers prefer leather.
  • egretegret Member Posts: 10
    For those of you who have the current generation Accord, are you finding that you can easily install in the rear center position any of the following: a rear-facing infant car seat, a forward-facing convertible car seat, and/or a forward-facing child's booster seat? Did you use the LATCH system to do this? If so, did you use the innermost lower anchors from the two OUTER seats to connect it, as the center seat doesn't have lower anchors?
    Thanks in advance.
  • hmurphyhmurphy Member Posts: 278
    You can also try sheepskin seat "vests" that cover only the portion of the seat that your body actually touches.

    Less sheepskin to get dusty or dirty, and potentially more side airbag-friendly (though you should check with the seat cover manufacturer to be sure).
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    yes, the chain SHOULD last 100k miles. but, if it doesn't, ouch!

    i prefer the timing belt set up always. you get preventative maintenance that way. with a chain, you drive it till it snaps. not fun.

    can you call a Honda dealer and make them replace the chain, if you were willing to pay? or will they not touch it until it breaks?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...are much more likely to last 150k or more. The main risk is that, over time, they can start to stretch and the tensioner can't compensate, resulting in noise. But that's the point: it will get noisy before it ever gets close to failing, as opposed to the occasional [however rare] rubber belt failure, which gives no warning at all before it breaks.

    I've been driving German cars [mostly MBs] with timing chains for 35 years, and involved with the MB Club most of those years, and have never heard of a chain breaking....ever....even in higher mileage cars. What does happen as the miles pile up is rough running and noisy idling if the chain starts to stretch. Then it's replacement time, which is a little more involved than replacing the belt, but not dramatically so. (MB had a problem with the 3.8 V8 engine from the early '80s, where for some mysterious reason they were using a single-row chain for US cars, and a double-row chain everywhere else in the world. After a spate of problems, most US cars got converted the the double-row chain, and that was the end of it.)
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    I wonder how many times and at what mileage timing chains are likely to break. I don't think I ever knew anyone who's car suffered a broken timing chain. I'm sure it happens as does the occasional killer bee attack which is usually not worth worrying about, either.

    Technically, if the engine is an interference engine, a broken chain or belt would allow the pistons to hit open valves and the engine would be severely damaged. If it's not an interference engine, then the car would stop running, but the engine might not suffer damage.

    In either case, I'd consider a chain a benefit because it's not expected to need any maintenance during the life of the car.......Richard
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    If you read some of the other boards transmission problems aren't limited to recent Hondas. I have a 2002 Accord and I made sure when I bought it two weeks ago I got the Honda certified used vehicle warranty which covers the drive train on my car for the next four years. Are there a large number of problems with the transmissions on this car? I have the 4-cyl engine if that makes any difference.
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    My mother once owned a 1951 Dodge 6-cyl. which died of a broken timing chain (don't ask me how many miles were on the car, this happened over 40 years ago). I think the mechanic she sold it to fixed it up and sold it to a local TV repair shop (they actually fixed them in those days). I have never heard of any other car breaking a timing chain, though. I guess lots of other parts would probably wear out first, or the car would run so poorly with a stretched chain that something would have to be done about it.
  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    I have a 2003 sedan. We bought it because we were having our first child and I had a 2-seater. Our daughter is now 13 months old. We used a rear-facing Graco infant seat (the kind where you mount the base and can take the carrier-seat in and out) until she outgrew it at about 6 months. We now use a Brittax Marathon forward-facing car seat.

    We decided to mount both of them in an outboard location because that leaves the rear seat passenger more room. We have used both in the center position using LATCH. All you do is use the two center LATCH anchors. They are close enough to allow for center location installation.

    Installation is super easy and the seat is far enough from the back of the front seat where she still cannot kick the seat-back.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    FYI, the '51 Dodge had a flat head, 6 cyl. with valves in the engine block parallel to the pistons--not in the head.

    So when the timing chain broke, I don't think any internal parts could hit one another so there was no damage.

    Those old, flat head Chrysler engines were actually quite durable. I'm old enough to remember that engine and drove similar ones in a couple of '50s Plymouths.....Richard
  • bd21bd21 Member Posts: 437
    Bought new in May 01 for $18,400 not including state tax only. Now have 47,500 miles on it. MPG has been on average 22 city and 28.5 highway (usually at 79 with a/c on). The only trips to the dealer have been to replace faulty parts, which included a rear strut leaking at 6000 miles, bad SRS unit for passenger side airbag (19,000 miles), a OPDS UNIT also for passenger side airbag at 26,500 miles and the master brake cylinder cap, which was causing the brake light to stay on at 33,000 miles. The only other thing I've had to replace was one of the Michelin MXV4 Plus tires that blew out for no apparent reason at 33,500 miles.

    I follow the extreme maintenance schedual in the owner's manual, even though I fall into the normal category. I have changed the brake fluid, power steering fluid, transmission fluid (3 times), cabin air filters, air filter (3 times) and of course regular oil & filter changes. I do all of my own maintenance and I just inspected the entire car. The tires should still be good for another 10,000 miles (I rotate them at 6,000 miles). The rear brake pads still look great, but the front pads will need changing in the next 6000 miles. For the record I brake harder than most and usually not until I really need to stop. I've had no rattles and the car drives and shifts well. Honda gave me the 100,000 mile extended warranty free for the transmission issues that you all know about. Overall, I would say it's a great car with ample power and good handling. My only complaint would be the dealer response and customer care at the dealer near me has been less than satisfactory. P.S. I have an 04 Civic 4-door LX automatic and it's been flawless with 7,000 miles so far.
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    Car seats both rear facing and forward facing are super easy to install and use.

    The center works by using the Latch anchors closest to the center on the outbooard positions. I can get my son's forward facing seat installed in less than 2 minutes. If you are using a infant seat with the base it is even easier all you do is plop the car seat in the base and your set to go.

    One word of advice check the tighness of the tethers once a week. They have a tendency to loosen up over time.

    I will state that with 2 car seats in the back, there is very little room for an adult to sit back there. A 10 year could probably manage but not an adult size person.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    is that why Nissan engines are not as quiet and smooth and Honda engines? because they use chains? interesting. learn something new everyday! ;)

    getting my recall work done Friday. hopefully all goes well. can only imagine what kind of rental i am getting for the day. as long as its not a Neon.
  • egretegret Member Posts: 10
    Thank you---that's just what we needed to know, plus thanks for the good advice.
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    How right you are. In those days there were still some flatheads being made. Ford even made a flathead V-8 until 1954. I think that Dodge and Plymouth had flathead 6 cyl engines until about 1960 when the slant 6 came out. Durable, yes, but not economical or powerful by modern standards. Nowadays even the 4 cyl engines are much more powerful.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    It's true about how powerful 4 cylinder engines are these days and the Accord's is very smooth, too.

    I saw a website that had acceleration times of old cars and I think a 1972 Buick Skylark 350 cu. inch V8 I had 20 years ago went from 0 to 60 in 9.1 seconds--I thought my Buick was VERY fast.

    The 4 cyl. AT Accord has a 0-60 time of 9.0 seconds according to Consumer Reports which is a conservative source--some auto magazines show the Accord at a bit less than 9.0 seconds.

    So, it could well be that the 2004, 4 cyl. Accord is faster than that Buick V8 and it uses less than half the fuel......Richard
  • zitchzitch Member Posts: 55
    Interesting... 350 cubic inches is about equivalent to 5.735 liter displacement. Much more than double the displacement of the current 2.4 liter Honda I4. How heavy was the Buick Skylark? If it's close to the Accord's 3000-3300 lbs, then we're talking about a similar power output from the engine.

    We now have 5.7 liters powering our larger pickups and still putting out the same acceleration, and maybe even with the same or better mileage.

    Of course, before variable valve timing and counterweights became commonly used in engines, many carmakers used V8s not for power, but for smoothness. They could build a 4 cylinder engine that had the same power at the time, but the vibration from it will give you severe joint problems (if not shake the car apart!)... Even a 6 cylinder at the time would be an unpleasant ride.

    Even still, the more cylinders = smoother power delivery is still true today. I'm pretty sure that the Accord's V6 is smoother than its I4, especially when idling. Has anybody compared this back to back?
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    I think the '72 Skylark custom 4 door (what I had) weighed between 3700 and 3800 pounds, so was about 550 pounds heavier than my Accord EX-L 4 cyl. AT sedan.

    The Accord is shorter by 16.5 inches and narrower by about 5 inches. The Accord is taller (by how much, I don't know) and I believe has more interior space (except that a 3rd passenger could fit into the bench, front seat) and MUCH more trunk space.

    The Buick's full-sized spare tire was stored in the middle of the trunk--a really stupid design. There was no pass-through from the trunk to the interior.

    With respect to the cost of those cars, the Buick's $4,400 price in 1972 is equivalent to about $19,350 adjusted for inflation to last year when I bought the Accord for which I paid $22,700 before TTL.

    I think that the additional $3,350 for the Accord was worth it because the Accord has: leather interior, electric seat controls, tilt/telescope steering wheel, moonroof, security system, alloy wheels, airbags all around, ABS, and enough additional goodies to make the Accord a better deal. The Buick had none of those features.

    It's more fun to drive the Accord, but I wish I were as young as I was when I last drove that Skylark!.....Richard
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    I don't know about the V6 because I don't own one and have never experienced a ride in one, but my 4-cyl Accord is so quiet and vibration free at idle you have to look at the tach to confirm that the engine is running. I considered my old Camry very good in that regard but the Accord beats it easily. It's amazing how much the Japanese and European designers have been able to get out of modern 4-cylinder engines. The Accord 4-cyl's performance is far better than my old Dodge Dart's 318 V8 and it gets almost twice the MPG.
  • lilelvislilelvis Member Posts: 82
    I just thought the timing chain crowd needed to be heard. . .
    I would want a quality timing chain over a belt any day. IMO, a quality double roller timing chain will last far longer than the rings, bearings, and valves. Older engines would have timing chains go in the 100K to 200K range, but that was years ago with single chains. Plus, some companies used nylon gears and it was the gears failing, rather than the chain. With all these 300K Honda engines running around, I would love to hear of a single broken chain.

    In terms of engine smoothness, of all the things contributing to that equation, I doubt anybody could tell the difference (all else equal) as to whether the engine had a chain or belt (IMO).

    I see the point of figuring routine belt changes prevents a major problem, but I think it doesn't realistically consider the minor rish involved with a chain. If you spent $500 replacing your belt every 60K, you could replace your chain at 180K and pocket $1000.

    Just my thoughts

    (Go, Chains, Go!)
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Nice to know my Accord EX-L 4 cyl. has a chain because it's something I don't ever have to worry about and I like that.

    And the Accord 4 cylinder engine is one of the smoothest, quietest and quickest engines of its type and will blow away anyone's old ideas about slow and noisy four cylinder engines.

    I continue to marvel at the 4 cylinder Accord's overall performance......Richard
  • sojournernsojournern Member Posts: 3
    Sorry to ask an obvious question but I am assuming from these posts that there is a timing chain and I never have to change it? The driver's manual was confusing on this point. I looked at the maintainance schedule on Edmunds and there's no mention of any service for the timing belt or chain.
    While I am on that point I gather that Edmunds makes it suggestion on changing the oil every 5k miles because that is consistent with the recommendations by Honda?
    thanks for any advice
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    not sure the 300k Hondas are timing chain models. i thought it was just recently that Honda started using chains....
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    The V6 Accord engine still uses a timing belt and there is probably a time/mileage limit suggested in the owner's manual for that engine.

    The 4 cylinder's chain needs no maintenance. Honda began using a timing chain in the Accord starting with the new, 4 cylinder engine in 2003--the 2002 and earlier used a timing belt.....Richard
  • sojournernsojournern Member Posts: 3
    Richard
    Thank, I have the 4 cyclinder 2003.
    I wish I knew how to get this information directly, thru the manual or another way. I was not confident with the answer I got from the dealier.
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    I saw something unusual today...a Honda Accord wagon. I didn't know that Honda ever made Accords in this body style. Does anyone know what years they were made? I can't remember seeing one before.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Yes, Honda made an Accord wagon in the generation 1990-1993, and 1994-1997. Not sure if the wagon was available during all the years from '90 thru '97, but the 1998 Accord and beyond offered no Accord wagon in the U.S.

    There is a slick European Accord wagon that you can see if you Google it--too bad we don't get it in the U.S., but the Honda SUVs are supposed to satisfy our need for wagons, I guess.....Richard
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i am at 14,8xx miles. recall work done. my guy at the dealer said they looked at the gear anyway, no discoloration, everything looked fine. installed oil jet. he said it is really easy, when you open some thingamajig, you can see the 2nd gear set easily.

    still don't quite understand how it effects draining or filling tranmission fluid, if at all. if i have the car at 30k miles, i will just let them do it i guess.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    they also put some felt between the body and both B pillars to try to get rid of rattles. hope it works!
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    Guess what I saw today...another Accord wagon, this time an early 1990s model. The one I saw yesterday was a 1994-97 model. I guess they weren't too popular in this area for the same reasons as the Camry wagon; no additional passenger capacity, not that much extra capacity vs. putting the back seat down on the sedan and in the NYC area at least leaving anything in sight in a car is an invitation for someone to break into it. The Honda Odyssey van is very popular around here (Long Island), though. I see many more of them than the Toyota van. Of course that's another discussion board altogether.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    Looking at the repair drawing, I think draining & filling the tranny fluid will be the same. But if you want to flush the fluid, you need to disable the oil jet line (to the filler) so that some of the old fluid doesn't get back into the tranny.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Were produced nonstop from 1991-1997. Our store did fairly well with them but nationwide they were never hot sellers when new.

    Used ones today are much sought after and they don't last long on our lot.

    Go figure??
  • edscissors172edscissors172 Member Posts: 15
    .......You know what's funny, I just joined the group, since I just bought my '05 Accord yesterday, and I was looking through my manual and noticed the same thing. So I got online trying to figure out some questions, and guess you had the same one. I couldn't understand why they left out the 4 cylinder model when they mentioned the timing belt for the 6 cylinder.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The 04 Accord has a timing chain. I'm pretty sure that if you look at required maintenance around the 100,000 mile mark you will see "inspect/replace timing chain".
  • tldtld Member Posts: 37
    I've been debating b/t cloth and leather on the new Accords and wonder about padding. I was surprised how firm the seats were with cloth but haven't had a chance to really try out the leather. I've heard they have more padding and are more comfortable on long drives. Any comments?
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    I drove 8.5 hours with only 3 short breaks in my then new '04 EX-L sedan last December.

    The leather seats were VERY comfortable. I didn't squirm or have to reset the seat position at all--stayed comfortable over the whole 500 mile drive (San Francisco to Palm Springs).

    Same comfort on return drive 10 days later. I have an aching back often, but not in the Accord.

    I don't think the 8-way power seat is available on the cloth EXs--not sure about that, but check to see all of the adjustments you can make on the cloth vs leather models. I think the main difference is that the seat cushion has a tilt feature for thigh support in the EX-L model...Richard
  • rafoilrafoil Member Posts: 11
    Greetings:

    I just bought a '05 EX-V6. It is my first Honda Accord. I am in love! I have a bad back and am extremely senitive to seating. After I made the intial seat adjustment I have had utter comfort. I have taken some two hour drives and immensely pleased.

    I had wanted the biege interior with the woodgrain look trim but had to settle for the grey with silver trim. I now think it is classy.

    I was bothered by the leather "pinched" look at some of the seams. I like the "smooth" look better. However, I am getting used to that also.

    The important thing is this is one comfortable ride.

    Ralph
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    Question...is the timing chain used in the non-interference engines and the timing belt used in the interference engines?? Makes sense to have a maintenance item in a car that might suffer catastrophic damage if belt breaks.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    A quick research reveals this to be a broader and deeper topic than meets the eye.

    Gearheads say that belts provide these essential advantages, which I'm paraphrasing: quicker cam adjustments (particularly useful in a competition setting), smoother operation (acts as a "secondary harmonic damper"), and more accurate ignition timing.

    The implication is that a chain system is a level or two lower in those areas, but obviously it has an advantage in terms of longer maintenance interval.

    An "interference" engine design is probably independent of the chain vs belt issue except to say that said design yields higher compression and a more compact cylinder head, factors that blend with a high-performance engine design (which would then favor a belt system).

    Back to our Hondas, the 4-cyl gen7 Accord may have gotten "chained" because it's no longer a "tuner" car.

    Also, a timing chain - although it lasts longer - is supposedly more expensive to replace because it involves more labor and parts.

    Ref: http://www.valvoline.com/carcare/articleviewer.asp?pg=pht20020901- - bd
  • kjivankjivan Member Posts: 1
    The timing chain/timing belt has nothing to do with engine being interference or not. Also even if the engine may be classified as non-interference it does no necessarily prevent damage to valves /cylinder heads as in most case the damage does occur.
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    Regarding your comment about a timing chain and something in the owner's manual about inspecting it or replacing it at 100,000 miles:

    I can find no mention at all in my owner's manual of timing chain or timing belt maintenance for my '04 Accord LX 4 cylinder. The only maintenance information is for 6 cylinders with a timing belt.

    It looks as if Honda is leaving it up to 4 cylinder owners to check with their service departments for any information about this. The owner's manual really is clueless on this topic, as far I can see.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    "It looks as if Honda is leaving it up to 4 cylinder owners to check with their service departments for any information about this. The owner's manual really is clueless on this topic, as far I can see."

    That's because Honda doesn't consider this a maintenance item. It should last the life of the car.

    Many, if not most, dealerships make more money from their service departments than from new car sales. That's why the push so many services (e.g., fuel injector cleaner) that aren't mentioned in the owner's manual.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    If we take our Accord on our Sunday jaunt I will look at the owner's manual. I'm pretty sure it mentioned the timing chain.
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    For all I know, you may be right. I only responded because of a post that suggested it was in the owner's manual.

    Anonymousposts -- I may be overlooking it, but I dont' see it. The only index item is "Timing belt" and that refers you to p. 227 and a comment about the 6 cyl. If you find it, I'll be embarrassed!
  • ksackksack Member Posts: 1
    There have been many post re Honda brakes. Are there specific model years that seem to have these problems?
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    I'm curious as to how many of you considered the Nissan Altima before ultimately buying the Accord. To my eyes, the Altima is much better looking and it's got that great Nissan V6. It doesn't have quite the level of standard equipment in the 3.5SL configuration as the EX-V6 but the 2005 model has addressed the interior quality issues. The rational person in me says the Accord is a better buy but it loses on looks compared to its competitors, imo.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Well looks of course are subjective. I for one have never had an issue with the styling of the current gen Accord. The Altima on the other hand looks like it hit a few branches when it fell out of the ugly tree - but not many more than the current Maxima. How the same company that gave us the beautiful Z and G35 could have styled the former two?

    Then again I like the Bangled BMW's and the old bustle back Seville.
  • rambo5rambo5 Member Posts: 37
    What is involved to convert the factory installed XM radio to Sirius? As you may have heard, Howard Stern is coming to Sirius and I would like to be ready.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    austinman: For the 4 cylinder Accord models on pg. 204 it states you should "inspect drive belt" every 30,000 miles or 2 years (whichever comes first". The same thing is listed for both normal and severe conditions. There is no replacement schedule because as someone else said, it should last for a while, but you should have it inspected for any signs of trouble.

    lmacmil: We actually just finished looking at the 2005 Altima. We liked the looks of them and test drove a 2002 when they were first introduced. We liked the drive but hated the interior. We had heard the 2005's were improved and my husband saw an ad for the SE-R Altima and wanted to take another look at them. So we drove down and sat in both an SE-R and a base 2.5S model. First let me say that the interior is much improved. However, it still isn't up to Accord and/or Camry levels. It's OK. The dash is pretty soft but switch operation and the spring motion of the sunglass holder and center console still leave a lot to be desired. The SE-R is one sweet package though with the 260HP 6-speed, gauge package, 18" wheels, and spoilers. But it's not sweet enough to convince us the grass is greener on the other side of our Accord fence. It's just a nice car.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Another thing about the Altima is that the XM installation isn't as nice as in our 2004 Accord EX-L.
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