Older Honda Accords

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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...probably has more to do with Big 3 0/0/0 promotions.

    If it were the new styling of the Accord, how does that explain the sales drop of the Camry?
  • jvkalrajvkalra Member Posts: 98
    Everyone is reporting lower sales. But one would expect 2nd month sales for a highly anticipated model like the Accord to be at least flat with last year. I agree with pda97, the next few months will tell.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    What is ssrs?
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    J.D. Power did the survey and it it was a survey of 15,000 German car owners. Although there are far fewer Japanese cars on the road in Germany than German ones, the study was not skewed by this because similar numbers of owners were interviewed for each individual car.

    Hope this helps...
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Your mailbox is full and I need to get a message to you -- please email me at pat@edmunds.com.

    Thanks!
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    supplemental side restraint system (side bags)
  • prebmwprebmw Member Posts: 23
    I am sorry guys, but I can no longer be a member of the rattle club! I took my 03 in today for the well talked about rattle that is in the area above the driver's door. Turns out on mine, the chrome trim around the outside of the driver's window was loose. After they fixed it, I drove 200 miles and no sound! Hope that this helps some of you.
  • dfong87dfong87 Member Posts: 171
    thanks for the update and i'm happy you got your problem solved. i'll be sure to check our trim out although who knows if that's our problem or not. [wife has car today since i am working from home] best wishes!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Not sure about October sales, but autosite published September sales today. The following were top three selling cars,
    Accord: 33,312
    Camry: 28,266
    Civic: 27,505

    And they are all down. It appears that sales of almost every vehicle suffered compared to last September. People rushed for model year end closeout and now it may take a while to get them back to showrooms. Kinda like how stores look after the holidays.
  • jvkalrajvkalra Member Posts: 98
    Here they are:

    Camry: 33,062 -8.6% (DSR change from Oct 2001)
    Accord: 32,816 -11%
    Civic: 23,056 -11.8%

    It's important to remember that the auto industry measures the percentage change in the daily sales rate, DSR (based on the number of selling days in the month). Also sales are seasonal, so one has to compare with last year, not last month. Even so, it's interesting to see that on an absolute basis, Camry sales increased by about 5K this month over last month (see earlier post), while Accord sales were down a bit.

    I'm no fan of the boring Camry, but have been disappointed by Honda's efforts in the redesign of both the Civic and Accord.
  • labbosslabboss Member Posts: 5
    I guess that there is no way to determine what the percentage of Accord sales for September and October were from 2002 or 2003 model years. Might be interesting to see what drove the sales numbers. 2003 model sales might be worse than what the numbers show. Where I live, weekend newspaper car ads are still advertising 2003 model clearance. Very little about 2003 except for " 2003 accords now in stock" - no mention of price. Current sale prices (Edmunds,carsdirect.com)look a little high in my area compared to others posted. Going rate is a few hundred dollars off MSRP for all model lines. Looking forward to a purchase (EX-V6) but not at $2,000 over invoice!
  • daveyboy35daveyboy35 Member Posts: 12
    Hey Guys,

    Someone had posted ID-ing the place of birth by the VIN #.. for the life of me, I cant find it. Can someone please repost?

    I think if it starts w/ a "J" its Japan, "1" is Ohio...

    thx guys!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Another important consideration when comparing model year sales is that Accord coupe wasn't available until fourth week of October. Coupes form about 15% of Accord's sale. This wasn't the case a year ago. Another thing that Honda isn't doing is attracting buyers with low apr (Toyota has been selling 0% APR/two years or cashback on Camrys). OTOH, I noticed couple of weeks ago that the front lot of a Honda dealership I drive by almost everyday had lot of empty spaces. Now that coupes have arrived, and the port strike is over on the west coast, I see them full again. The initial supply of Accords was coming from Japan as I have learnt from these boards.

    The new Accord is no disappointment to me. IMO, Its a huge improvement over its predecessor and a benchmark car in its class. Not sure what you expected Honda to do.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Yes.
    1: USA (my Accord)
    2: Canada (my Civic)
    J: Japan
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I think a lot of people see how Nissan and Mazda, respectively, have improved on the Altima and 626 (now known simply as Mazda6) and they automatically compare it to the Accord and Camry using the same standards.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    of the port lock out, maybe? I thought that Honda and Nissan had to stop production because of the port lockout. I know Nissan at least slowed down production because all of the parts were not available. Maybe the port lock out had something to do with it?
  • frankbailiefrankbailie Member Posts: 26
    I am waiting for delivery of my 2003 Accord ex 14
    and they tell me it won't arrive before the end of November. My salesguy told me it was because of the recent port strike. I ordered the silver and this colour is apparently very popular.
  • jvkalrajvkalra Member Posts: 98
    I'm sure Honda planned it so dealers had an adequate supply of '02 coupes that they could unload at firesale prices during October. And the port lockout probably affected everyone equally. But as I said in a previous post, the next few months could tell whether the public is delighted or disappointed with the new Accord.

    Everyone has a different expectation about a redesigned car. I take it for granted that Honda will make the usual improvements in NVH, crash protection, emissions, fuel economy, not to mention horsepower to satisfy the never ending thirst for more. Styling wise, I find the evolutionary Civic dull, and the Accord bloated looking (even though parts of it are very stylish). My hunch is that even though the bloated look is 'in' nowadays, it won't be that hot with would-be Accord buyers. Time will tell.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    the port lockout had very little to do with anything, except backing up the cr-v for a week or so. everything else is built here, and parts are in great enough supply to last at least a few months if thats what it takes.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    1=ohio/mich (accord/civic)
    2=ontario (pilot)
    3=mexico (small # of accords)
    4=indiana (passport/rodeo)
    5=alabama (odyssey)
    j=japan (s2000/insight/accord/civic/Si/hybrid)
    k=korea (kia/hyundai)
    s=UK (crv)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    diploid: Nissan and Mazda made drastic changes because they HAD to. The previous Altima and 626 were perfect rental cars but paled when compared to the Passat, Camry, Accord, and even a base Maxima.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    my theory for the sales decline is that there were less accords to sell. the new accords sort of just "sprinkled" in and the old accords for the most part were all gone. i don't think dealers had too much trouble moving the new accords off the lot, just not enough of them initially. the number of accords on the lot this October was a lot smaller than last October for the honda dealer in my area anyway. heck, i have yet to see an accord lx v6 at my local dealer.
  • mdamesmdames Member Posts: 79
    I live in the Los Angeles area. I paid $1000 over invoice. Just 10 days ago they were going for $1000 or so more than that. I got the Desert Mist Metallic (can you say GOLD)with the gold package and a woodgrain steering wheel. I just sold my 2000 Accord EX V6. The new 2003 is a huge improvement over the previous generation. Way quieter, more power, more solidly built and better build and materials quality. I know the sheet metal is controversial. But I absolutely love it! Good motoring everyone!
  • compuman1compuman1 Member Posts: 26
    If you think 11% drop in Oct Accord sales is bad, take a look at this:

    GM -32% (-39.9% for cars, -25.7% light trucks)
    Ford -35% (don't know break down)
    Chrysler -31% (-34.7% for cars, -29.8% light trucks)

    So it's not just Accord or Camrys, it's every where. If any dealer tries to sell you an Accord for MSRP, you can laugh in their face as hard as you can.

    Happy motoring
  • aleetanaleetan Member Posts: 1
    You can get EX V6 2003 Sedan for $23500 include Dest. fee. If you do want to get one, you can try to contact me at 646.251.6881 because I am getting one very soon so if I can bring extra person than we can get a even lower price.

    Thanks.
  • rtbledsoertbledsoe Member Posts: 6
    (this is a cross-posting from the "Quality Control Issues" discussion)

    I drove the 2003 Accord EX V6 yesterday. Very nice car, but the steering seemed to drift to the right. (I then drove the same roads with my 1999 EX V6: steady steering, no drifting right).

    I saw another posting which mentioned the same problem, so I decided to ask for feedback from others.
  • silverodysilverody Member Posts: 14
    cars will naturally drift to the right with most roads since they are crowned, unless you drive on the left side of the road.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    What does it mean for a road to be "crowned?"
  • mdamesmdames Member Posts: 79
    If one of the front tires is materially different in air pressure from the other it can cause the car to drift in one direction or the other. A "crowned" road is one where the center of the road is higher than the right or left edges. Essentially, the road is convex. This makes for better road drainage. And can cause your car to drift. I just purchased an '03 EX V6 and it does not drift at all.
  • 836tappan836tappan Member Posts: 6
    My 2003 EX-V6 has drifted to the right since I bought it 2 weeks ago. I immediately brought it back to the dealer after I bought it, and they "readjusted the alignment." Unfortunately, it still drifts to the right. I'm bringing it back again this week. I'll post if the dealer finds a solution.
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Member Posts: 176
    I brought this issue up awhile back after driving a EX V6. Afterwards, I drove two other EX V6's and they both drifted, significantly, to the right. I was very disappointed and it totally turned me off. Unless Honda deals with this problem, the Accord is off my list.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    If you do sell Hondas I'm surprised you aren't aware that some Accords do come from Japan. The port problem really stopped us up for awhile.

    Also, when comparing sales figures between Camry and Accord, be aware that Camrys are sold en masse to the rental car companies while Accords are not.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I do believe that a very small percentage (1%?) is sold to fleet sales...I don't know if that means rental or to companies for use as company cars. I personally have never been able to rent an Accord every time I needed to rent a car.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I read somewhere if you take away fleet sales the Accord has been the top-selling car for almost the last 10 years.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Most of honda's fleet sales appear to be in the form of cars like Civic GX/Hybrid, Insight etc. I've heard about it, but never been able to rent an Accord. I've not seen Accords running around as taxi either (save for one).
  • ajaymeajayme Member Posts: 74
    I rented a 2002 LX in Long BEach at Hertz earlier this year. Maybe because of the proximity to Gardena they were using it as a test .
  • mdamesmdames Member Posts: 79
    Most of the time drifting or pulling problems are tire related. Once you've made sure that both front tires have the same air pressure, have the dealer (or tire company) rotate them. That is put the right one on the left side and the left one on the right side. This will generally make a difference. Don't worry about the drift. This should be easily taken care of and is nearly always tire-related. This car is terrific. Don't let this small issue get to you.
  • mrchrismrchris Member Posts: 3
    Have an 03 EX-V6. Does anyone know what the orange light is right infront of the homelink between the two lights. It shines directly down in front of the rear view mirror and (at night) it lights up the shifter dimly. I did just get the auto day/night mirror installed but don't remember if the light was on before. It's right next the the microphone looking thing. Little circle maybe 1/2" in diameter.
  • jbg12jbg12 Member Posts: 7
    The light is there to provide ambient illumination to the lower console a la Audi and perhaps others.

    Regarding drifting, I still have it after multiple trips to the dealer - only to the left for my EXV6. It is maddening, and is not a small issue. The service manager has pontificated that it is because of the "electric steering", information provided as part of a condescending primar I received on my last visit. I have had rotations, alignments - and now "they all do it". I am going to try driving another example of my car and see that one does "drifts" also. I was also told that it was casused by the crown in the road. As if there are contemporary roads without a crown. I'm disgusted.
  • watchdog2watchdog2 Member Posts: 21
    I have the 03 EX-L eternal blue sedan and I am interested in the auto day/night mirror. How much did you pay for both the accessory and installation. I am in the Chicago area

    Thanks,
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    I am with you. Same deal. Steering of my old VW Jetta was marvelous as are all VW's. This new Honda is nice but steering and constant drift and steering correction is maddening.
    INKY
  • gotribegotribe Member Posts: 101
    I understand the frustration this causes, it'd drive me nuts too. However, I have an 03 Accord V6 sedan and have experienced absolutely none of this, so it is not endemic to the model, as some dealers might suggest. It also has little if anything to do with the crown in the road--I've tried it. In addition, while trying to decide on whether to buy this car, I test drove 4 or 5 different cars over a several week period, and none of them did it either. A dealer should be able to figure it out--IMO its either alignment, tire pressure,or a bad tire (i.e. belt etc.).
    Good Luck and hope you get it resolved.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 268,597
    The Accord plant in Marysville shut down twice in October for three days total, due to parts shortages. just an fyi

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  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    If this turns out to be a tire issue, Honda should turf Michelin and go with someone else. This is starting to sound almost as bad as the Firestone issues (with the SUV's). I'm planning on replacing these stupid tires as soon as I get my car.

    Also, following up with the same question awhile back, the cars that are giving these drifting problems are made where?

    Sorry to hear about your problems mates...
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Just take the service manager out for a drive in an empty parking lot at a shopping mall where there would be no crown. I'm not a mechanic but isn't it true that drifting and the need for constant steering corrections usually solved by adjustment to toe-in?
  • dfong87dfong87 Member Posts: 171
    hi, i don't know if you're still reading since you problem is now solved! =) but, if you are, can you anwer a couple of follow-up questions:

    - did you notice that the metal/chrome trim had some "play" prior to going into the shop?

    - is there any play now or noise when it is pushed?

    our rattle disappeared this weekend (for about 70 miles so far)...i inspected our chrome trim after prebmw's tip and found it to be fairly tight. certainly, if i pushed hard in places, it would make a small noise, but i also observed this to be true to the rear window which doesn't seem to rattle. sigh...i did notice this weekend that i'm starting to get used to it or something...but now that it's disappeared (for good?), if it comes back, i'm sure i will notice its reappearance!
  • dfong87dfong87 Member Posts: 171
    to follow-up the thread i started a while back, we are near 1000 miles in our accord and 4 tank ups see us getting: [EX-I4 auto]

    1) 27.5 mpg
    2) 27.1
    3) 35.2
    4) 28.8

    tanks 1,2, and 4 are mixed driving: lots of city interlaced with some stop and go (not terrible) highway driving.

    tank 3 was a highway trip with 75 mph speeds and A/C on.

    not bad. my guess, based on past experience is that mixed driving will settle in at around 30 mpg and the highway driving will top out at around 38 mpg [40+ if driven at slower 65 mph speeds].
  • pro_hondapro_honda Member Posts: 14
    Hi everyone,

    I would like to hear what people think of the performance of the 2003 four cylinder Accord. I am interested in buying the car, but have to commute and would like the increased fuel efficiency of the four banger. I would be purchasing the automatic version.

    Thanks for your time,
  • dfong87dfong87 Member Posts: 171
    i saw your response on the other forum, but thought i'd follow up here.

    since you mentioned experience driving a non-vtec civic, i thought i'd offer a few additional thoughts:

    i also drive a 2000 Civic EX coupe (vtec) with a 5 spd. the 2003 Accord I4 (automatic) feels as fast as my Civic, yet it is much more effortless. i think i could get to 0-60 in about the same time in both cars, but i need to rev the Civic harder to get the torque up there. the low end torque of the Accord I4 is much better and thus it provides much easier acceleration. [can't defy the laws of physics. vtec/i-vtec or no vtec, the 2.4 litre engine will have a lot better low end torque than a 1.6 litre one.

    finally, my wife and i also test drove the 2003 Civic EX sedan with automatic prior to buyin the accord. the 2003 Accord I4-auto is definitely faster than the Civic EX with automatic. [and the transmission is 10x smoother]

    i think you'd be very happy with the I4 2003 Accord.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Not really related to drifting, but does anyone find that, in terms of the centering of the steering wheel, the Accord (6th or 7th gen) is quite sensitve to road crown? ie. even a moderate road crown will cause the steering wheel to be off-centered as you drive along?
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