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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,485
    Welcome Back! Glad you had a good time and made it back safe!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • colt007colt007 Member Posts: 64
    Chrism124 - condolences man, but yes it is just a car & can be repaired. I'd hate to put a scratch on my wife that I could'nt get out!

    Shipo - congrats on the pick up. Sounds like yous had a great ED 'experience'. I just would not want to be you right now waiting for that machine to get here already broken in! Hope the time goes fast for you.

    Tigger33 - you're looking at the same set up I have: Toledo Blue/Black leather. I didn't see it before ordering, but I think it looks great. Was good to see that combo in dealers 745 when we picked up the 530. We also have the DSP & upgraded stereo & think it was worth the extra $$. We didn't want to do anything aftermarket. Good luck w/ whatever you choose.

    Snagiel & Vishnu11 - ah more Toledo Blue's. We should have a convention in Toledo Ohio! Vishnu11, Good luck w/ your pickup.
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    Only 650 miles up US-75 from here, and I'm always looking for a good excuse for a road trip...
  • multiplechoicemultiplechoice Member Posts: 113
    In case anyone is intersted or trying to decide when to buy/lease, I spoke with a BMW sales manager yesterday, he states that the E60 (next generation 5 series) should be out around the end of 2003. Sorry, but I forgot to ask if there would be a 2003 E39 (current generation), or if they would just sell out the 2002's production and have to wait for the E60.
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    Ferrari is the only manufacturer I know of that has the gaul to sell previous-year models in a given year (see http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/longterm/articles/49771/article.html). The real question is whether there'll be an '04 E39, since the model years typically change in the October timeframe, and the E60 probably won't arrive in the US until early 2004.
  • patellipatelli Member Posts: 24
    My ED 530i that I'll pick up in Munich on May 6th is Toledo and Sand. I like the contrast! I don't think it looks purple either.

    I ordered: 5-Sp, PP, CWP, Comf Seat, DSP, Fold Down rear seat. No SP b/c I live on the freeway.

    We are then going to drive down to lake Como Bellagio (Italy), Parma, Pisa, Florence, Bollogna, Venice, Frankfurt... home.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    My 1999 323i Sport has Grey leather, its darker than the old LIGHT Grey and after 34 months looks new and i concur about the lighter color making the interior look larger. In addition im like Shipo as i dont do much to it, other than wipe off with a damp cloth or something, and there is not what some people call the "shiny " look of the worn leather .

    happy shopping
    DL
  • cat39cat39 Member Posts: 1
    I am seriously considering a 1997 528i. This car is being recommended by a good friend who knows the original owner and says that the car is in mint condition, fully loaded with only 29k original miles. I am very excited about this car however, when researching the car I found some "consumer reviews" that were very unfavorable re: maintenance and reliability. All of the articles and editor reviews speak very highly of this particular model year and new features. I am a first time BMW buyer and am feeling a little gun shy. I would greatly appreciate any input from happy owners out there...THANKS!


    Here is an example:


    http://www.edmunds.com/used/1997/bmw/5series/4dr528isedan/opinions.html?id=lin0425

  • zubazuba Member Posts: 58
    Never having owned a BMW myself - but I will by August - I will bet you the experienced people here will tell you the problems with the 1997 are mostly due to it being the first year of the model 528!!
  • sjmurray2sjmurray2 Member Posts: 65
    Could someone please give me the link to ED invoice pricing? Thanks!
  • patellipatelli Member Posts: 24
    Go to http://www.eurobuyers.com/


    Good luck!

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,617
    There's no such thing as an "ex-Marine." My Dad was in the 5th division and landed on Iwo Jima . . . and came home.

    Glad your pickup trip went well. I've been to Germany & Switzerland a few times in the last year, and know whereof you speak.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • cmr530icmr530i Member Posts: 278
    According to the April 2002 Consumer Reports car issue, the trouble spots for the 1997 5 series are cooling, electrical, power equipment, and body hardware. (It does state that problems in areas such as electrical, brakes and power equipment are not unusual for an aging car.) The overall reliability verdict on the car is listed as average. Hope this helps.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    How well I remember the "Once a Marine, always a Marine" saying. Among military types, having been a Marine means that I am still one, however, given that it has been almost 25 years since I have been active, my "Marineness" seems to have lost some of its edge.

    To your father, my "Cover is off", anybody who came anywhere near Iwo during the assault is a bona fide hero in my book. Someday, I will visit that site as well, and given that I am something of a Pacific Theater history buff, the "Blinking back of tears" may be much more difficult this time around.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Last Tuesday (23-Apr), I had a chance to test out the brakes on my 530i in a deadly serious manner. Shortly after I passed the magic 1,200 mark, I was blasting along the Autobahn at 120 something when some Idiot on a CAFE bike changed lanes right in front of me without even looking (my best guess is that he was moving at something less than 80 MPH at the time), and I literally stood on the brakes, so much so, that the ABS kicked in (interesting feeling at 120 uphill on a long right-hand sweeper). I got within 2' of his rear wheel before our relative speeds switched to his favor, at which time he moved back over to the right and waved me past. Had it not been for the PRODIGIOUS braking of my 530i SP, that rider would have had a VERY bad day.

    I’ve gotta tell y'all, with the extra grip of the SP tires, that brief period of deceleration was the closest I have ever been to the single Carrier landing I was fortunate enough to experience from the back seat of an F14 back in 1977. That rider is a lucky man.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • div2div2 Member Posts: 2,580
    We bought a Certified Pre-Owned 528iA about one year ago. It needed a thermostat and a water pump at @62000 miles, but that's been the case for nearly every BMW I've owned. I also had a secondary air pump go out as well as one tie rod. All but the tie rod were covered under the CPO warranty.
  • nycanyca Member Posts: 232
    I like Toledo Blue also, but it does have some purple in it. The Steel Blue has perriwinkle in it. However, it appears they have a new color? What is this I see:


    http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e39/forum.php?postid=583040&page=3


    Anyone seen this color in person?

  • 530bmw530bmw Member Posts: 130
    Welcome back and congratulations on the new baby. Have you fully recovered from the trip yet? I bet you cannot wait until May gets here so you can pick the baby up. From reading your trip journal, you had a blast breaking it in. With that, you can let it rip when pick it up but watch your speed limit since you are not driving on the autobahn anymore. I have my car since December but just broke the 1200 miles last week, I guess I have to do something about that.
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Member Posts: 59
    What an incredible car. I was surprised that even with the 2.5L motor, it barely breaks a sweat at 90+mph. Toledo blue/sand, xenons, Step, PremiumPkg, cold weather and dsp. It soaks up bumps, is more silent and waay more responsive than my 220hp Lexus. But when you need that i6 growl, its there. Its soooo easy to get from 60-90 if you not watching out.

    Initial observations: I think there is a balancing issue (slight shuddering at >70mph getting worse at higher speeds), DSP has adequate bass, but the high freq. are slightly lacking), and some of the OBC functions are in km/hr. I did expect some bugs, and am waiting for the "lost all my memory settings" gremlins to pop up. :-)

    I am officially in love...
  • nycanyca Member Posts: 232
    Talked with my salesman Friday, he told me there is a meeting in June for all BMW sales managers, where they should get the word on how/when the 5 series transition to the E60 will take place. He told me that there was a "gap" when the only 7 series that were available were those already built and in the pipeline, before the new 7 came out. He also told me that there was a promo program to sell the final 7 series, but was not yet sure there would be one for the E39.
  • mcq7159mcq7159 Member Posts: 20
    Picked up my new 530 (5-speed, premium, cold, xenons) on Thursday and the rain on the way home couldn't put the tiniest dent in my sky-high spirits.

    Yesterday I had a wonderful 270 mile round-trip to Worcester, MA from my corner of Connecticut for some crew races. I can't ever remember before wishing that a road trip would actually last LONGER. Here at Edmonds I had read about great tracking, but you have to EXPERIENCE the ride to truly appreciate it. Ditto the acceleration on the highway merge ramps. Double ditto the comfortable seats (I didn't get comfort seats as I'm tall enough that the tops of those seats "mooshed" my shoulders). Triple ditto keeping the speed down ... making sure I didn't hit 80 during break-in while other (read: lesser) cars zoomed by.

    According to the trip computer, I averaged 30.9 mpg and 50.8 mph (damn these Connecticut country roads). Does anyone know whether these averages are based on the last computer "reset" or a much shorter period of minutes/miles/gallons?

    I can't wait to hit 1200 miles! A round-trip to friends 50 miles away after work tomorrow should get me to 475. I'm in Heaven; thanks yet again to all you wonderful folks here that gave me the courage and confidence to spend (just a little) beyond my means for this most satisfying purchase decision ever!
  • sjmurray2sjmurray2 Member Posts: 65
    Looking back at a few months worth of posts, I see where the break-in period seems to be crucial as to whether the rings will seat properly. Well, if there is an inventory car on a given lot with over 200 miles, how can you be sure it was not driven over 4000 rpms or kicked down? I guess the answer to the question is you can't, so all the more reason to go order a new one? Is the breakin period that big a deal?
  • zubazuba Member Posts: 58
    Excellent question! Additionally - what is the aftermath if the rings are not seated properly?
  • tiger8tiger8 Member Posts: 120
    You don't find the 525 underpowered? What would you estimate the 0-60 time? The 330i and the 525i are roughly the same price. I assume you figured the 525 was worth the small sacrifice in power, right?
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Member Posts: 59
    You are right - I found the 525 power adequate. In the States, we have this unending thirst for power, yet our regular driving circumstances prevent us from doing anything useful with so much power. In contrast, econoboxes in Europe regularly do over 100mph.

    Even so, like I mentioned in my previous post #3368, the car is amazingly lithe and responsive. I find that I have to let off the gas while merging with traffic sometimes to manage the merge better. The car is built so tight that there is little or no difference between 60 and 95mph. I can only think that the 530 is better in this, but its a tradeoff in $$ (few thousand) that I did not think was necessary for me.

    My estimate of 0-60 is - "more than adequate". That doesn't tell much, but driving in this country especially with all the traffic jams and low speed limits, does it really matter? And if I do need that occasional rush, there's the Step. After all, on the open freeway, the time taken to get to 0-80mph is miniscule compared to the cruising time. I am always amused at the 0-60 times thats so heavily used to market a car. Kind of reminds me of the SUV ads that show great atheleticism in the snow-bound mountains and the reality is that 99% usage is on the highway.

    As a last word, there is a big difference in luxury (again, my opinion) between the 3-er and 5-er. The 5-er feels a lot more refined, but the 3-er induces the I-want-to-mash-the-pedal feeling. Depends on what you prefer.
  • indylowflyerindylowflyer Member Posts: 148
    I now have had my 2001 540i for one year and 21,000 trouble-free miles. What an awesome vehicle! I have a 30 mile daily commute on a two lane highway and interstate which really allows this vehicle to be used as intended. The power for passing on the two lane highway is incredible. Traffic normally is cruising at 80-85 m.p.h. on the interstate which feels like 55 in the 540. This car is as tight and rattle free as the day it was delivered. The sport suspension was a "must have" option and I am glad I got it. The ride is firm, but not harsh. The cornering ability for this four-door sedan is incredible, almost sports car like. This is my first BMW, and certainly not my last!
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    Yes, the break-in period is important, but I'm not entirely convinced that redlining the engine on even several occasions before the 1200 mile mark will result in improperly seated valve rings (the potential danger of which would be continual oil loss). Either way, the unknowns involved when buying a used car are precisely why I recommend against it.
  • sjmurray2sjmurray2 Member Posts: 65
    I too am trying to decide between the two models! 525M is the kalahari beige with PP/Zenons/CWP/Sun shade. Very attractive, and low dealer miles, in which I put on about 15! The 530A is Oxford Green with Step/PP/CWP. Both cars have tan interiors. I'm partial to how the 525 looks including the wheels. I just don't want to regret not getting the bigger engine. Will the 2.5 liter stand the test of time?
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Member Posts: 59
    See my post above. I am pretty happy with the 525.

    Having said that, there's a good way to rest the argument - here's the math for both cars:

    1) hp/curb weight and (more importantly I think)
    2) torque/curb weight ratio.

    Ratio 525manual 530auto
    hp/wt 0.053 0.0634
    tor/wt 0.051 0.061

    As you can see, the 530ia does more than the 525 by about 1%.

    Question is whether that 1% is humanly noticeable and important to you. When I test drove the 525/530 back-to-back, I did not immediately feel it, but perhaps others do. Like you, I also liked the 525's rims a lot better.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    According to BMWs official numbers, the 525iM is about .8 sec to 60 slower than a 530iA, which, in the grand scheme of things, is not all that much. While I have never driven a 525iM, I have driven a 325iM (which weighs about 231 pounds less than the 5er), and it performed very well indeed. I personally like a little more juice, hence the fact that I ordered a 530iM this time around.

    My suggestion to you, take an extended test drive in both cars, driving the 530iA first, then let your Butt decide for you. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • colt007colt007 Member Posts: 64
    I'm sure there are some who wouldn't consider the 530ia since its an automatic. They say you'll lose that 'oneness' with your machine that only comes from driving a manual. Some of the same ppl wouldn't consider the 525 because of the smaller engine. Either engine should be problem free & offer years of enjoyment. We chose the 530ia, step,cwp,pp,sp,xenons,premium sound & split seat. Makes me smile just thinkin about it.

    Colt007.
  • colt007colt007 Member Posts: 64
    nyca-That color looks like Toledo Blue. Are you sure its not?

    Indy-happy anniversary! The 540 must be oh so sweet. All the best!

    vishnu11 & mcq7159 - now the fun begins! Official congratulations & best wishes!

    shipo - great brakes uh? I love to hear driving stories & I'm glad yours turned out the way it did.

    Colt007
  • yamahar6yamahar6 Member Posts: 23
    Shipo, a CAFE racer, i've heard the term before, but, - forgive my ignorance, I cannot recall what it means. Is it just a sportbike?

    Anyway, the other day i went to testdrive the new Seven, and while i was waiting i sat in an M5.
    I ran the gearshift thru the gears, and it was amazing! I have just shifted thru the gears on many cars, including S2000, Miata, Porsches, et al., but nothing, nothing comes close to the smooth precision of the M5. The S2000's throws are too short for my tastes, and a little too "notchy" but that just could be because I am not used to driving such a hi-po car with a tranny so developed.

    The BMW's shifter was almost an oxymoron. It was smooth, like maple syrup was in the syncros, and yet the gates were very well defined, with a subdued "click" every time you got into gear.

    Most cars are either too "loosey-goosey" (VW, Porsche std. Boxster) or too notch (S2000).

    The Seven was alright, tho I didn't like i-drive.

    If only I had the cash for the M5!

    By the way, for all you Beemer owners out there, if u log on2 Bmwfilms.com, you can see professional drivers doing interesting things with the same kind of car you drive.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Oh yeah, great brakes, that guy on the bike owes his life to the BMW engineer(s) that designed that braking system.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,485
    Forgive me, but if you can pony up the cash for a 745i, can't you swing an M5?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Maybe I am "dating myself", however back in the 1960s and 1970s, the sport bikes where the rider leaned way forward with head and hands low (shielded by a small, curved windscreen), and the feet unusually far back were referred to by my friends as "CAFE Racers". I have no idea if this was a technical term, or just street slang, however, the guy that pulled out in front of me was riding such a bike, and, as the incident happened so fast, the only mental image I have of him was of his riding position, not the Make/Model of the equipment.

    Based upon your userid, I suspect that you know a whole lot more about bikes than I do, so I will defer to your greater experience as to what to call such a bike. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Member Posts: 59
    Colt007: Thanks, the fun has indeed started, but I have a balancing issue to fix - hopefully I'll get an appointment soon.

    Regarding 5-er manuals, with the exception of the M5, my experience was that the manuals were *not* smooth, buttery and precise like the 3-series. The shifter is too long, has too much travel. Also unlike the 3-series, the clutch travel is too long as well. I am a die-hard manual fan, so I am not knocking manuals by any stretch.

    Has anybody experienced this as well?
  • john01john01 Member Posts: 246
    I have been driving the 530 5spd. for about 2 months now (3700 miles) and my other car is a 95 Integra. Integra has one of the best shifters I have experienced, short and precise. 530 does have a long throw and perhaps not as precise, but it is quite good. One of the modifications I considered was a short throw shifter, but after 2 months, I don't think it will be necessary. With the torque, I do not need to change the gear as much, and so it really does not bother me much. If anything, it can be a bit smoother. I swear sometimes my Integra with 130,000 miles feels smoother than the 530.
  • nycanyca Member Posts: 232
    Well, that poster said it was color code 892, Toledo Blue is code 482. It does not look like Toledo Blue to me, but these digital camera shots can sometimes not show the true color.
  • derprofiderprofi Member Posts: 250
    This seems to be a new color (perhaps only new to me) listed on www.bmwusa.com but not in BMW 5-series brochure I've got. If anyone has seen this in person, how would you compare it to the Steel Gray that's available on the 3-series?
  • nycanyca Member Posts: 232
    That color is not in my 2002 5 series brochure either, that's why I posted it asking if anyone had seen it in person on a 2002 5. But you are correct, its on the web site, so I guess its real.
  • derprofiderprofi Member Posts: 250
    Oops, I must have missed your first post! I spend most of my time on the 3-series board and just sorta skim this one.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    If you want to experience radically different acceleration capabilities, compare my 540i6 to my wife's 323iA. But we love them both. And I even enjoy driving her's, though it doesn't have the Sport Pkg. Sure, could the 2.5L motor use more ponies? Yeah, but not sure they get used all that much on a daily basis. Her little 323iA gets around fine in city, on 2-lane county roads, and interstate fine about 90% of the time. It is for that other 10% that I live for my 540i6!
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    If I am not mistaken, the 525i and the 325i have exactly the same 5-Speed transmission (build by Getrag), while the 530i and the 330i also have the same 5-Speed transmission (built by ZF). In the last two weeks I have transitioned from my 328i (also a ZF 5-Speed) to my new 530i while in Europe, and then back to my 328i. If there is a difference in the shifter throw, shifter smoothness, or clutch feel, I would be hard pressed to identify said difference.

    On the other hand, last fall, when Brave1heart (of 3-Series fame) and I traded cars for a day and a half (my 328i 5-Speed sans SP for his 325i 5-Speed with SP), I noticed a substantial difference in "FEEL" during the entire shifting process. By that I mean, the shifter felt totally different in effort, travel and even gate pattern, and the clutch felt a little lighter as well, with a different engagement point. I think that the difference can be accounted for because the gearbox on the larger engines is built to deal with the greater torque of said larger engines (and of course because they are from different manufacturers).

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    On Sunday responded to an accident where a youth driver with a provisional license decided to park his Toyota in the trunk of a parked 528i, going aproximatly 25-30mph. needless to say said Toyota was Totaled..and the 5er while breaking the bumper cover was very much in tact including the real bumper underneath. The unfortunate owner of the 5er explained to me 2 weeks prior his "old 528i had been totaled from a red light runner and him and his spouse had walked away and would not consider getting any other car. I had to concur.

    DL
  • tigger33tigger33 Member Posts: 14
    Thanks for all the responses re: my post last week on color options - I've decided to be a little different and go with the black interior with the Toledo Blue and hope for the best. Delivery is unfortunately not until July. One other question - I like the shadowline trim included in the sports package as well as the 17" rims, but don't want the sports package since I'd prefer all season tires year round and would prefer not to have the stiffer sports suspension given the type of driving I do. My dealer has not been helpful in providing me with options and told me that if I ordered the sport package (which I don't want to do) they would not simply swap the performance tires for the all season, and would charge me a hefty premium to do so. Also, she said shadowline trim as a stand alone item would run $1000. Again, any advice would be appreciated.
  • g525g525 Member Posts: 5
    I got a 525 manual (topaz blue/blk), SP, PP, xenons and overall I enjoy it.

    PROS:
    1) Its the least expensive new 5, about $5-6,000 less than a similarly packaged 530auto.
    2) Its feels great going through the gears, downshifting, etc.---Cannot replicate fun w/auto
    3) The relatively low power is not very noticeable once your in 2nd gear and above. Pulls strong all the way to speed limiter.

    CONS:
    1) It is okay, but not very fast off the line for a manual.
    2) The clutch is not very simple/smooth.
    3) No chirping the tires thru the gears with this car.

    Overall if I had to do it over, I'd still choose this car for the money. (I paid under $40k) It is a fun, tight, and smooth ride.

    The real power I seek is not a 225 hp/215 torque 6-cyl auto, its a 300 hp 8-cyl. I previously owned a 3.2 liter V6 with 210 torque (Acura Legend) and it was a great performing car, ask anyone who has owned one, but everytime I drove a V8 and then drove the 6, it made me realize what I was missing.

    I drove the 330 automatic and was very impressed with its instant power, but preferred the 525 manual to it for the same price (size/ride/style also weighed heavily).

    In a few years down the road I'll get something with a V8. I used to sell cars, and I've driven a 300 hp 6 cylinder (Porsche Carerra) and it just didn't have the same power [in your pants--kick down] as a 300 hp V8 (Cobra). Not to put down a Porsche,its kinda ridiculous comparing the two cars overall, but I had very high expectations for the Carrera--it was my favorite car until I drove it. Until I find a V8 like that Cobra's 4.6 in a car a like overall, the 525 manual will suffice.

    Plus, a BMW Magazine tested the 525 manual and reached 60 MPH in 7.3 seconds. That's half a second faster than BMW's conservatively listed figure. (you'll notice that other mfg times are also higher than road&track results, and BMW states that its reported 0-60 times vary depending on conditions and techiniques) If the 530 automatic can't have the speed ringed out of it the way the manual can, its 7.0 second 0-60 run is not much faster.

    All that said, drive both of them and back to back and decide for yourself, and your budget. If you really want performance, get the 540-6, or better yet wait for the 03'/04' 545.

    g525
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Member Posts: 59
    Shipo:


    Interesting information you have there. I did know, but did not realize, that the 32x and 33x trannys were different. *duh* In any event though, the 5-er manual feel can stand some improvement compared to other car manufacturers. I loved the Porsche 911 feel of the manual the best (don't know about the Boxter). On the other hand, they have done a great job with GM's Step tranny by modifying the shift points and shift time.


    John01:


    Kudos to Acura. I had a '96 Integra LS, and I loved that precise feel of the manual gearing. Even after about 70K miles, it still felt as good as new. RIP - it was totalled last Nov because of which I had to get the 5-er (notice I am not complaining).


    Tigger33:


    Shadowline trim - contact Pacific BMW. Many bimmerheads obtain their OEM parts from there at a higher discount. It may be a DIY - check bmwtips.com. Good luck with the car!

  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Were it not for the fact that a former Lady friend of mine used to drive a GenII RX-7 5-Speed, which I drove for many thousands of miles, I would have said that the BMW shifters were extremely nice. The RX-7, however, totally spoiled me; I doubt seriously that I will ever drive a car with a finer shifting manual transmission. All of this leaves me with the impression that the transmissions that BMW buys for their cars are a FAR distant second in the FEEL category, and, once you get used to their unique feel, they are not all that bad, no, actually, they are pretty damn good, it's just that the Mazda was SOOOO much better. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    I'm not trying to change your mind if it's already made, but I think the advantages of the sport package greatly outweigh the SLIGHTLY stiffer ride. You get not only the better suspension but, as you mentioned, the bigger wheels, performance tires, and the sport steering wheel and seats that make the cockpit a great place to conduct some spirited driving.

    Tires: Recognize that tires are a wear-and-tear item; you'll have to replace them several times in your car's lifetime, so in my opinion buying a winter set and swapping them out (either on the same wheels or on 16 inchers) makes sense and prolongs their longevity. Also realize that the "all-season" tires are a serious compromise; it's like having only one pair of shoes for everything you do, year-round. If you live in an area with snowy/icy winters, dedicated winter tires will fare much better than the all-seasons. Similarly, they won't offer anywhere near the capability of good summer/performance tires (which are better in rain, by the way).

    "Shadowline" trim: No way would I spend $1000 on several thin strips of black plastic. I'm not sure what Pacific's price is, but it's a minor cosmetic issue as far as I'm concerned.
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