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niel
Thanks in advance...
Niel
It will pay for dents, dings, scuff, scrapes etc.
It will not pay for maintenance, or accident damage that your insurance company would ordinarily cover.
Dealer incentives are not rebates.
A rebate is money from the manufacturer to the customer. The dealer can't touch a rebate.
Dealer money is just that, money for the dealer.
Most dealers will use that money to sell the car, either by increasing the discount off MSRP or by overallowing on the trade-in.
2.4 vs 2.4T, no question if you can afford it go for the turbo.
Nicer car, you can get it with 17" wheels, a power passenger seat and geartronic.
None of which are available on the 2.4
Lots more passing power too.
Base Engine
Manual Transmission
Exterior: Black - non metallic
Interior: Taupe Leather
Premium Package
No other options
I have no preference between MY2003 and MY2004, and I can wait a few months for this. I just need to get a good deal on it.
Bottom line: I want a 48m/12k lease for under $350 (tax included) with little or no money down. Am I dreaming?
That said, I need tips on locating/ordering the car I want, but not get burned on the lease rates. My dealer said right off the bat that manuals are not available (although he didn't really do a search) and was the "buy off the lot today or get burned tomorrow" type. Any ideas are welcome!
It was difficult to find a MT here in Columbus. When I got mine it was the only one on the lot. I've never seen an MT w/ any options for the base S60 around here.
So you don't have any options whatsoever?
niel
It would be great if there were a manual S60 with the Premium package but most Volvo drivers prefer automatic transmissions unless they upgrade to the T5 model, I guess
Dave
2.4t automatic
premium pkg (leather/sunroof)
Climate pkg
Neighbor just leased one for $1200 down and $330 per month for 36 months.
Dave
Just thought I'd share, if you have the hu6xx radio (single cd), you can improve the sound considerably by using the "hidden equalizer" Check out this link:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/p_bruno/volvo/Audio_System_HU803_Hidden_- Menus.pdf
the instructions say that they're for the hu8xx, but they'll work for the hu6xx as well.
Here's the settings I use, they're a good starting point:
Front Low 1: 2
Front Low 2: 3
Front Mid: 4
Front High: 6
Rear Low: 6
Rear Mid: 5
Rear High: 6
Hope this helps
Dave
There are some out there thta are just base manuals, but I doubt that you will find a leather equipped manual .
If anything you'd have to take the full prem pkg.
Its very late in the year to try and find one though
BTW, I've got an 2000 S40 (about to be turned in) and a 2001 V70. How will the S60 AWD compare? We live near snow and are looking forward to skiing without chains.
Any other helpful hints would be appreciated...
$24,500 in lease payments on a $30K car seems pretty steep to me. I'm really not a leasing guru or anything, so I don't know. I'm just going by these numbers. I guess as long as the buyout in the end is like $10K, then its ok. But that is if you want to buy it out. If you want to just turn it over at the end of the lease, I would think you'd want a better deal than that.
Shop it around. Email some other dealers with the car that you want and the options and ask them what their best lease rate is.
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Is the 2004 4-C (DSTC) the same as the one available in the 2003 model?
Goes from 197hp to 208 hp, with a boost in torque as well.
DSTC and the 4C chassis concept are NOT the same thing.
4C only available on the R in the S60 lineup for 04.
thanks
First the 2.4T model has been upgraded to a 2.5T engine with 208 horsepower and 236 torque, a 5% upgrade on horsepower but almost a 20% upgrade on torque. Does this mean there is a significant improvement in acceleration in normal driving conditions (either from a stop or when passing on a 2-lane highway)?
Second routine maintenance is now included for 3 years and 30,000 miles which makes the Volvo S60 more similar to the Saab 9-3 and other competitors like Mercedes and BMW.
Do these changes make it worth purchasing the 2004 S60 instead of the 2003 model? I am considering waiting until Spring 2004 so there will be incentives on the 2004 models similar to the current incentives on the 2003 models.
Thanks in advance.
Also, any advice on the stereo upgrade? I ordered mine w/standard stereo and I'm just wondering if I should revise my order (I think it's about $1200; $800 w/sunroof pkg, which mine has). Worth it?
Thanks!
Wow, the engine is amazing!
Spins up very fast, very smooth. The gearbox is better than any Volvo gearbox I've been around.
The suspension modes are alot of fun. Sport seems to be the best for everyday use. The advanced setting is too stiff.
Frankly, the car only works as a manual.
I've seen the data on the automatic and it isn't worth the $.
The 2004 S60 2.5T will be quicker than the auto R, and alot less $$$.
Go for the manual if you can, the car will be alot more rewarding.
Also thumbs up for the stereo upgrade.
I've got the upgrade stereo in my C70 and I really enjoy having it.
(And thanks for the insights on the R...I've got a V70R ordered, and while it was no small feat, I managed to convice my wife the manual would be superior (same with the stereo upgrade, too)...good to hear favorable remarks from you.)
I know it's more money, but I do look forward to the Atacama Leather and suspension settings, so I'm popping for the extra dough.
I don't have a choice as far as an everyday driver (I have a fake leg), but I do plan on taking the manual out for a spin in August in Gothenburg on the Volvo test track. Then I'll really find out how much I miss out on. I can drive a stick, but not practical all the time.
Thanks for the tip on the stereo. I'll call the rep tomorrow and see if I can still revise my order. It's only $$$.
Thanks.
The 2004 S60 2.5T 0-60 is 6.9 sec.
The R auto, nicely equipped is @ $43,000
The 2.5T nicely equipped is @ $35,000
Remember, Volvo is limiting the torque in 1st and 2nd gears in the R auto, so all the horses don't show up. Plus the auto R is rated at 258 ft-lbs only, the 2.5T rating is 236 ft-lbs
I just couldn't resist the R, anyway. Plus, I went with the Overseas Delivery and it's pretty ritzy for the 20 R customers this August, so I just couldn't pass it up.
My R is 40,370 with Atacama, roof, climate, paint options. Of course the trip is $3900 on top of that (but that includes business class tickets, meals, suite for 4 nights, an extended stay at the track, and a day cruise on a yacht).
I have had some second thoughts about maybe going with the 2.5T, although I would have given up AWD on top of the other things. Oh well....
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But maybe the source for this 6.9 seconds has better numbers for the T5?? I've seen right around 7 seconds for the T5 (6.4 for the manual listed here on edmunds). Even if we're talking a dead heat, something is amiss. I would attribute it to the extra gear (that's a 5-speed auto, right?), but it still has to overcome the power and weight deficit.
AND, what are the numbers from that source for the '04 T5?
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My comparison was between the 2.5T and R auto.
Numbers come from Volvo.
Also, the T5 auto is rated at 6.7 sec to 60 mph.
The 98 T5 had 243 ft-lbs @ 2700 rpm.
Best 0-60 time for the auto that I saw was 6.5 sec.
The issue with the T5 is the fact that the engine must be wound up higher than the 2.5T to achieve the desired performance.
The T5's performance advantage starts at 60 mph and goes up to its top speed. The faster you go in a T5 the faster it gets. Same with the R auto.
Here in America we generally don't try to accelerate at speeds over 100 mph like they do in Europe.
We find low speed acceleration to be more important, this is why the 2.5T feels faster and why its 0-60 times are competitve with the more powerful T5 and R auto. Now if you looked at the 0-100 times you would see a much bigger discrepancy.
But Edmunds also says peak torque on the '98 is at 2100, not 2700. Is 27 what volvo says? Are you able to access Volvo's published numbers for older cars? Am I able to get that view that info somewhere?
I think it would be interesting to see what all 3 might be able to do with new ECUs. I wonder if the bigger displacement in the 2.5 could help it boost up to higher torque levels than a boosted T5. I'm sure the size of the turbo would be a big factor, but it would still probably spool up faster in the 2.5. Hmmmmmmm...
oh, I can attest to the unbelievable punch from 60-100++ in my T5. Woohoo! Too bad there really is no place to do it safely on a regular basis.
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98 T5 peak torque is at 2700 rpm, you can feel this because below that speed the engine pulls slowly, above 2700 rpm the fun starts.
A boosted T5 will always beat a boosted 2.5T, because of the larger turbo on the T5.
by the way, looked up some other sources:
msn auto says peak is 2400
carfolio.com says 2400
my volvo owner's circle says 2700
of course, I would trust Volvo to know what their car does, but it is weird that other sources don't publish the same numbers as Volvo.
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