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Mazda MPV

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  • Hi all. We got our 2000 DX in Feb 2000. Generally we love this van.

    We have had a number of front-end problems though and was hoping somebody could give us the benefit of experience in what Mazda will/should do:

    -Alignment done under warrenty at 18,000km (~10,000 miles)

    - At 25,000km (~16,000 miles) Mazda replaced front rotors free as they were severely vibrating when braking.

    - Now, at 38,000 km (25,000 miles) they are starting to deteriorate rapidly again.

    Car is very well treated!! Any suggestions?
  • No problems on our MPV, but we did have them on our Outback that we traded for the MPV. Our scenario was the same, problem kept coming back. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how we resolved it since we sold the car. Since it's not a common problem (not common for Subie's either), I'm guessing it has something to do with variances in manufacturing tolerances - maybe something in the suspension doesn't line up well. Someone else had an issue with rear suspension being out of manufcaturing tolerances. You may want to have that checked. Also, make sure the lug nuts are being hand-torqued to factory specs. Cranking down on them with an impact wrench (like most shops do) can damage the rims and warp the rotors.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Also, avoid riding the brakes. Does anyone drive the vehicle with 2 feet?

    Another possibility is that the rotors get wet when they are hot. Avoid car washes after a lengthy drive.
  • Have to make this quick or Kirstie will catch me. Glad to hear "yunz" are from the area. Bringing a little class to the wilds of Tejas. BTW, I've never driven The Prez down that way [reqcon].

    RJ
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I use LFB (Left foot braking) about 75% of the time, but that's because of years of scca racing. I find myself using lfb on the MPV alot, but it drives my wife crazy when I do it. However, I don't leave my foot on the brake. :-)

    I can't think of any reason the MPV's brakes would be doing this except warpage. Warpage, from my experience is due to riding the brakes (like maltb said), and/or getting them too hot, like by towing or hauling heavy loads, or possibly poorly designed ventilation. My 850 Volvo had an appetite for rotors, until I went to slotted rotors. Haven't had a warped rotor since then.

    /j
  • bob57bob57 Posts: 302
    I think Chubb has a problem with the suspension since rotors replaced already. Has anyone checked both the joints and steering for worn out bushings? Alignment is fine but wait 100 miles and get it checked again - I bet it's off.
    Replacing bad rotors with bad rotors "could" happen but percentage wise.....
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I agree with our witty friend from Texas (Bob), it's probably not the rotors that are at issue, it's sounding like a front end suspension that isn't acting properly. I'd like to see the measured toe in/out specs on the front wheels. A dollar of monopoly money (so's we're not really betting) says the toes out of whack, possibly more. Or, who puts your wheels on your van? Tire shops are apt to crank those lug nuts on with way too much torque and that will warp a rotor in nothing flat.

    /j
  • Back in June of 2000, Mazda sent tire information out as part of a recall. The owner was instructed to put new labels on the door and in the owner's manual. The new label said that tires with a load rating of 94 should be used. The MPV uses a 205/65 15 tire.

    This creates a bit of a problem. The 205/65 15 tires typically carry a load rating of 92 not 94. If you check the Tire Rack, they will recommend a 92 load rating tire. I sent them an e-mail asking for clarification.

    The OEM tires are made by Yokohama. Yokohama had the following on their web site when I tried to find tires for the MPV: "We are sorry, but we do not carry the appropriate tire size and speed rating combination for your vehicle."

    If you go to your local tire dealer they might give you 92 rated tires. My local dealer was able to locate 205/65 15 tires with a rating of 94 -- Cooper Lifeline SLE.

    Those of you thinking of buying a MPV should check the tires. Replacement tires might be difficult to find in the 15 inch size with a 94 load rating.

    The 02 MPV still uses the 205/65 15 tires (with a 94 load rating). This is, in my opinion, too small a tire for a 3800 pound vehicle. Keep in mind that 205/65 15 tires are found on a 99 Taurus (3250 pound car) and a 2002 Avalon (3400 pounds).
  • bob57bob57 Posts: 302
    Trolled the "other" site. Saw that Kia recommends a 7K oil change but only a 15K filter change. That seems a little strange. One of the people said (how true) why put clean oil in on top of a dirty filter.
    I wanted to post an agreement but decided not. Canary syndrone...
    Excel - if you're reading this - change the filter with the oil.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    way back when, Mazda did the same.

    I think that was fairly common until they realized they were loosing out on profit.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I didn't see that, but correct, why put clean oil thru a dirty filter, they get filthy fast. Cut a filter open after just 1,000 miles and you'll be amazed at the crud in there already. I change my filter every 3 months, oil twice a year (that's synthetic...) on each of my cars. I did switch to the K&N oil filter for the MPV. Thx to Tb for introducing that gem for the masses.

    /j
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    with hacksaw in hand cutting open an oil filter:)

    You must have alot of spare time......hehehehe:)
    I know you don't with Wife,kids,Job, school etc!
    Pjd58
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    well, the bandsaw is too messy... and an entirely different story, lol.

    I still have that annoying clunk when I go over bumps in Mochavan, if anyone has that also (reqcon).

    /j
  • I have the same problem, mostly when its cold. The dealer said some kind of lubricating plug is failing and needs replaced. They already replaced once and its back again. I also have the noise of the caliper kit not working correctly on the front end noise. Two noises at once its great!!!!
  • Someone with problems in an MPV? Say it isn't so. Are you sure you don't drive a Kia :)

    I've got an idea that turning up the radio should fix that problem.

    BTW, I was over in the other boards and saw a Hyundai Excel blowing a lot of smoke a few days ago. Shame on you for winding it up Mr. Javadoc.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    stevecanuck... you should read my In-box for the past week. :-0

    Stone, a lubricating plug? Do tell me more.

    /javadoc
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    two noises at the same time......kinda cancel each other out:)

    All kidding aside, give us more info on this lubricating plug, I never heard of it.

    Maltb,Alex...any ideas?

    Pjd58
  • After reading posts about problems with quick-lube shops, I have religiously taken my 01 MPV to the Mazda dealership. Now I am nervous, today the service manager asked what grade of oil I wanted, I said you guys are the experts and my MPV has been there 4 times now and you never asked me before. Well today they put in 10w30 and when I got home I dug out my previous records and found they had been putting in 5w30. The owners manual recommends 5w20 or 5w30. I am in Northwest Ohio and the van is driven both city and highway. Any thoughts or recommendations, is the 10w30 going to hurt anything????

    Thanks All
    Gary
  • Your dealer put an oil in that is not recommended by your manual. I wont go in to the whole issue of tighter clearances in modern engines, just take it back and ask for a new oil change with the *right* oil.

    Ask for the filter also.

    BTW you are paying extra for their expertise. The local minute lube would do the job for a lot less. Remind them of this and that your time is valuable. You should get something free out of this,like a detailing or something.
  • msgjvhmsgjvh Posts: 196
    Tweety,

    The only reason Mazda recommends 5-30 is so they can improve their EPA standing with the US Gov. 10-30 will not hurt anything except put a few more bits of carbon into the ozone. Rest with confidence either way since you had the dealer do it. You have proof that they knew what to put in and instead put the wrong weight in. But you do not have to worry. You may want to consider the switch to Synthetic soon and insist on a quality filter never one from Fram for the MPV. Those work great on my old Mustang and Subbie but not for the Hi output of the Duratec.

    MSGJVH
  • bob57bob57 Posts: 302
    I've been using 10W30 (Pennzoil) on my '01 in our hot climate as I think everyone does down here (already mowed the yard this month..). Haven't observed or seen any problems - oil comes out very clean.
    Managed 24.1 mpg last week - 80% highway and 20% stop and lost.
    I'm still amazed how tight and rattle free the MPV has been so far at almost 21K. I haven't experienced the clunks or bumps you guys are having. Of course, I was born right after the Jurassic period (or so my kids think) and my hearing could be that 20% lost.
  • I pulled the repair bill and its not real clear on what they repaired. This is what it reads: R0401XRX Stabilizer Bar and/or Rubber Bush, R@R. The dealer called it some kind of Lubricating plug. I will find out more information on this problem when they repair it again. I will inform. JL
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Thx, I'd love to find out what that clunk/thump is, esp. since I've only got six months of warranty left.

    /java
  • Java, have you considered the possibilty that there's a conspiracy afoot in the back of your MPV? I understand those things can be pretty nasty ;)

    The only thump I have is from the front passenger side when driving over bumpy roads. It makes a little more noise than I'm used to. Too much strut travel I guess. Fortunately, no rear noise - no lubricating plugs, thank you ...

    SC
  • otishotish Posts: 59
    My MPV makes some noises in the cold weather too - especially the front squeeks some when going over speed bumps. We also have this rattle in the back - sounds like the drivers side and seems to be something inside. We need to investigate more what that is. Otherwise it is great and we usually don't hear them over the sounds of radio/CD and 2 kids.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Is there a more uncomfortable 3rd seat than the one in the MPV? My 15 yr old son complains whenever I put him there,not enough leg room,the seat back not high enough,blah blah. Probably due to the hideaway seat. He even complains that the 2nd row buckets are not comfy on his little neck. What am I do to with him? I have ridden in the 3rd seat and do understand his complaint,but not the 2nd row. It would be nice though if the headrests were adjustable fore and aft.
  • ...sounds like you may need to tighten the bolt holding your jack in place.
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    Never heard of a teenager that doesn't complain about something. I agree the MPV's 3rd row isn't the most comfortable, roomy seat. Mine 9 year old has no problem with it. When he is a teenager, I'm sure I will hear the complaints.

    Never heard of a headrest moving fore and aft.

    There is no perfect Mini-van,the MPV is the closest to perfection for our family.

    Pjd58
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I've seen headrests go up/down and also some that tilt (rotate?). Maybe that's what Rutger was referring to. I'm not a good judge of the rear seat, since the munchkins that infrequently use that seat are all under the age of seven, but I would have to agree, it's a compromise. I always thought teenagers quit speaking to the parents. Shucks, I was looking forward to some silent years.

    /j
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I thought it was bad enough to sit between two car seats in the 3rd row. But when you have 3 and 5 year old daughters holding your hands as mom drives, nothing really matters.
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