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2012 Subaru Impreza

backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
I'm surprised there was no discussion here on this next-gen Impreza. It looks like a great update to me. Especially compelling is the higher mpg (up to 36 EPA highway), more rear seat room, and the upgraded interior materials. The exterior styling is ho-hum, like a 4/5 scale Legacy, but not offensive.

I am looking forward to driving the new Impreza when it arrives at dealerships. If it retains the smooth ride from the current Impreza and the interior and fuel economy are as advertised, this could be my next car after the lease on my Sentra is up.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/impreza/2012/2012-subaru-impreza-first-look.htm- l
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  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    With the improved back seat room and excellent MPG, the Impreza hatch might take some Forester sales. For those of us who used to drive Legacy GT wagons it stirs memories.

    I wonder whether the new mirrors fold?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    edited May 2011
    There's a discussion over in the Subaru Crew "Future Models" thread.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ee9956a/21942#MSG21942

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    edited May 2011
    For those who may not have seen these, there are a lot of good images of the new 2012 Impreza here.

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1106_2012_subaru_impreza_look/index.h- - - - tml

    The interior is greatly improved. The dash is now nicely padded, as are the sun visors and the upper door sills, plus there's now a Limited trim with leather seats.

    So in effect, the Impreza's customer range is now much broader, in that it still addresses the bargain shopper with the base model, yet now also attracts more of a luxury buyer with the Limited. BTW, the CVT is standard in the Limited.

    The sedan pictured here is the Limited, and the 5-door pictured is the mid-level Premium model.

    Bob
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    edited May 2011
    That's not a discussion... it's a thread of a discussion.
  • otis12otis12 Posts: 160
    any idea if xenon headlights are part of the Limited?
  • seaurchinseaurchin Posts: 57
    I looked all over the web and can not find date when it will hit dealers.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    subaru.com says "this fall", so that puts it sometime between mid-September and mid-December. Since they still have 2011s to sell, we probably won't get more details on a date until closer to delivery. Have you asked your local dealer about a date? Maybe they are starting waiting lists.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Before the tsunami it may have been August, now we'll be lucky to see it thise year!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    That is great news! It makes the 2012 Impreza very price competitive with others in the class, e.g. Civic, Focus, Cruze, even the Elantra... and they don't have AWD. Smart move by Subaru.
  • I just spoke to my local dealer, and they said they expect to get 2 in about 45 days, then a major shipment in December. However, he said they already have a waiting list (which may be car dealer BS), which leads me to believe there might not be much wiggle room on price.

    He also said the CVT is the same one that's been used in the Outback the last two model years, which I didn't know, and which made me feel a little better about it, since those things are so expensive to repair and replace.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    edited August 2011
    He also said the CVT is the same one that's been used in the Outback the last two model years, which I didn't know, and which made me feel a little better about it, since those things are so expensive to repair and replace.

    Everything I've read says that the Impreza CVT is a smaller/lighter version of the Outback CVT.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I don't need to buy a car for almost 2 years, so maybe by then supply will be better and I won't have to pay sticker. Although small cars are selling well in general right now.

    I'm not surprised that there's a waiting list with only 2 cars due until December. That's not many buyers.
  • irritatrixirritatrix Posts: 40
    edited September 2011
    That was my impression from what I've read, too (that it's an all-new CVT). Perhaps he was mistaken, or I misunderstood him. I guess I'll find out when they get some in and I take a test drive.
  • Hi,

    Was buying a Subaru Impreza 2010 car....the dealer is quoting 1800 for the gold plus extended warranty..is the price right?? I have seen ppl mention that such warranties are available for 800-1000 bucks...am I being cheated?? Please advice..
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,396
    That's not as high as I have seen them (still below MSRP), but you can do much better. Take a look at the Extended Warranty thread (under Subaru Crew?). I recall Mastria Subaru as being a good place to get them; there are others as well. You don't have to get it with the purchase of the vehicle or at the selling dealership.
  • k5tmk5tm Posts: 1
    I got to drive a 2012 two days ago in Austin. A dealer rep was going through town, and our salesman arranged a test drive - claimed it was the first test drive in Austin. Compared to our 2008, the handling is as good, has almost all the pep of the 2008 (once you get used to the new tranny) and the interior is improved. I was able to sit comfortably in the rear seat (I am 6 foot tall), but I would rate it about a 200 mile rear seat -- after 200 miles I would be clawing for a way out of the seat. Our grandson will fit back there just fine. Headroom is constrained by the moonroof. Our 2008 has no moonroof and if we get a 2012 it will not either. The moonroof 'bubble' was part of my 200 mile rating for the rear seat.

    Apparently the 2.0 has a timing chain, not a belt, so that is an improvement. The rated horsepower of the engine is not too bad either. Since this is grandma's car, it will do well. We are on the cusp of a decision of whether to go to a quarter million miles with our 2008 (and do the required maintenance) or trade now. Gasoline savings over two years (about $1000 with our driving habits) will really help pay for one major maintenance event.

    Overall, it is definitely an improvement over our much-loved 2008.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Tough to justify trading just for the gas mileage improvement. The '08 will depreciate far less now that it's past the steep part of the curve.

    Still, if she wants a new car, here's the perfect excuse...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Stopped by my local Subaru dealer today to see if they had any 2012 Imprezas in yet. The sales rep I talked with said not until January, unless it was a pre-order--then December. If they'd hold off on the pre-orders to January, they could call it a 2013. ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I got to drive a 2012 Impreza Limited sedan today at a preview event at a local dealer. They had only the one car, loaded up with CVT, black leather, 17" alloys, auto climate control, moonroof, and nav, in a beautiful black pearl. Sales rep said price would be "about $25k".

    The manual driver's seat felt comfortable, although I wished the wheel would telescope out just a bit more. Materials quality of the dash looked and felt excellent, with nicely padded and grained top and smooth rotary HVAC controls. Door panels didn't match the dash quality (lots of hard plastic) but at least the armrests were padded. Center console had a sliding cushion. One cost-cutting move I found odd in a $25k car was that the visor mirrors were not illuminated.

    On the road, the car handled confidently even whipping around cloverleafs at 2X the posted speed (the sales rep encouraged me to do that). Acceleration was adequate and the engine noise wasn't objectionable even under hard throttle... although keep in mind this is a small and relatively inexpensive car. The CVT has paddle shifters but I didn't try those... "shifting" on a CVT seems like a non sequitur to me. If I want to shift I'll get a stick... except that is rated lower in FE than the CVT.

    The ride was firm and expansion joints and cracks elicited pronounced and loud "thumps", which seemed to be more tire-related than from the suspension. I am hoping that with the standard wheels and tires, which I would be getting, there will be less noise than with the 17" alloys on the Limited.

    Except for the tire noise, the car was pleasant to drive, but the best part was the fuel economy. I reset the meter after getting up to speed (about 60 mph) on the freeway and had the instantaneous setting on. I noticed the numbers moving mostly between 40-60 mpg while cruising, depending on grade (which wasn't big at any time). When moving down the side streets at about 40 mph, the numbers were in the 30s. So it looks like this new Impreza will do considerably better in sipping gas than the current model.

    Cargo-wise, the trunk is well-finished and even the lid supports are covered. The 60/40 seat back folds flat... a nice touch as few sedans do that these days.

    My one big disappointment was when I climbed into the back seat. I was hoping for a commodious rear seat since I read that leg room had been increased for 2012. Instead, I found the seat more cramped in my sit-behind-me test than in competitors like the Elantra, Focus, and Cruze, and even some smaller cars like the Accent. The problem was not leg/knee room, which was sufficient (I am 5'9"), but in toe space. My ankles hit the bottom of the front seat sooner than I'd like, which resulted in the "knees in the air" feeling and lack of thigh support. Had my feet been able to slide a little further forward, life would have been good in back. I had the driver's seat about mid-height, so it was most comfortable for me, so I checked the room on the other side of the back seat--it wasn't any better, although I'd be able to slide the front passenger seat a little more forward under most circumstances since my wife is shorter than I am. So I'd consider the rear seat only "bearable", not the big plus I was hoping it would be.

    So the new Impreza remains on my list because of its AWD with excellent fuel economy, availability of a hatchback, sharp looks, and quality interior. However, the sales rep told me the base Impreza would NOT come with cruise control standard or even available. I hope she's wrong about that, because if not I'd have to move up to the Premium trim which will mean more bucks.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    "However, the sales rep told me the base Impreza would NOT come with cruise control standard or even available. I hope she's wrong about that, because if not I'd have to move up to the Premium trim which will mean more bucks."

    I think she's correct.

    Bob
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    My dealer where we bought out 11 Outback from informed us their Impreza's are due in Jan. I love the fact that an AWD can get up to 36 MPG....Our dealer has offered to order ours w/o a down payment and when it comes it if we dont like it...he will simply add it to his dealer stock...

    We are looking at adding the 5Dr Limited with nav, pkg #1 and splash guards, which edmunds is showing a MSRP of $25447. Im looking at getting it for $24,500 pls TTL. Im going to offer $25,750 out the door and see what my dealer tells me.
  • bg18947bg18947 Posts: 183
    edited November 2011
    We had ordered the 5dr Sport Limited with Moonroof from my dealer on October 24th at $800 below invoice (Ramsey Subaru in Ramsey, NJ) which is fully refundable if we don't like it upon delivery, since like many others we were buying sight-unseen. It will go into the dealer inventory if we don't like it. According to the NASIOC website forum, the first North American delivery was in Vancouver earlier this week for pre-orders. It seems like the priority is the top of the line models first and then working their way from West to East Coast. I still haven't gotten a VON or VIN, but other people have received the Subaru emailing along with delivery dates. Pre-orders that went in before October 31st included a $500 gift from Subaru of America for Subaru items. It is supposed to be in the order status letter from SOA, but I haven't received any communcations yet. I think my order may have included the correct email address due to the illegibility of the salesman's penmanship.

    I keep asking my dealer for the VON, but haven't heard back yet. Not sure if I should just call SOA directly. The salesman told me initially to expect delivery about the 2nd week of December. But, I'm betting more like Xmas or early January. I guess if there is a unit on a boat that matches my order, it may become mine, taken from a dealer's initial inventory.
  • Anyone preorder a Suburu rep on these boards that can tell me what the invoice would be for the Premium Sedan? Edmunds here is quoting 18.8k but the dealership we test drove the car said they really have no reason to wiggle from the MSRP which to me, I can understand since Subuaru is moving cars yet dealers always budge.

    I loved the car, great new body style.

    Any help with the right price to pay would be awesome

    Thanks!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    the visor mirrors were not illuminated

    Are there spot lights that do the job, though?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,396
    Invoice is generally 6% under MSRP.

    Depending on where you are located, the dealership is right - they don't have any incentive to sell the car for less unless they can't sell the car otherwise. My local dealership tells me that every time I try to buy a car from them. After seven years, they still haven't sold me one and seem to have no trouble selling them to other buyers who are willing to buy at MSRP.

    I have just come to accept that, for me, their role is simply to perform warranty / recall service and to provide cars I can test drive; I will have to purchase somewhere else.
  • Thanks for the reply
  • bg18947bg18947 Posts: 183
    edited November 2011
    Perhaps, it's how hot the market is in your region. Subarus are not as popular in Jersey, so perhaps, that's why I'm seeing the discounts. First dealer gave me a reasonable price about $200 over invoice, but when the other dealer gave me $800 below invoice, I wouldn't haggle. Both are offering 100% refunds if I don't like the car when it arrives, since we haven't seen the car with the pre-order.

    I would highly recommend that you start off with www.zag.com, and see what the prices are there and hopefully, you have membership with one of the supported networks. I'm using the AMEX pricing option for bargaining. The 2012 Impreza is up on their site now. It seems to work out better than Costco pricing as well. I would go in with the printout and then the dealership has to beat it if it isn't them. Did this when considering the KIA Sorento and Audi Avant. But, my wife opted for the fuel-efficiency option. I am seeing $800 below invoice using AMEX pricing on the ZAG site.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited November 2011
    My wife and I are in the market for a new car (primarily for her) and prior to yesterday the new Impreza was not even on our radar screen. I casually browsed the Subaru web site and saw the car was newly redesigned and was finally able to offer competitive fuel economy, and that caused me to look further.

    The problem here is that when I "looked further", I ran into what I might call some bizarre and/or arbitrary rules on which features can be ordered with which models; I mean, what's up with the fact that you can order a more fully optioned 2.0i Premium than you can a 2.0i Sport Premium? That and what's up with the fact that if one wanted a fully tarted out Impreza 2.0i Sport Limited, they have to have a CVT instead of a manual transmission?

    Our budding love-affair with the new Impreza may well stop before it even started; too bad too because there is very much to like about this car.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    edited November 2011
    I'd drive the CVT before writing it off. Might surprise you. :) It does have a manual mode (paddle shifters) with 6 simulated gear ranges. Works pretty well in the models I've driven.

    All Impreza Limiteds are CVT-only, not just Sport Limiteds; same with Legacy and Outback Limiteds.

    Bob
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